Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

Granitman - pls read my replies - what facts u need ? I showed our tests. Mands repeated them and conculded the same , we declare on above 98% purity, MAnds found 99.5%, you're welcome to test it yourself, don't tell me who you're, after u post your tests I'll send u an extra gift

 

[ironwill1951]

karl you are sooo full of shit , i lost interest in you on one of your first posts when you said you put millions in a lab your like a little kid telling stories , except your an adult and its called lying . get lost..

 

[Western-Biotech]

If u may produce GH which is tested as 99.5 % purity in an investment of less then millions then u are the one who is making here fairy tales, and the fact that such technology, know how and facility costs millions no one may argue.

If u claim that I don't product the GH then pls make an anonymous order and test it, any day !

You may post any shit here, prove it u can't, who ever tested the Somastim posted conclusive results.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

No karl you're the one who cant prove shit, prove to all of us that you make hgh. Its a simple challenge until you prove other wise "its a baseless claim" in your words.

 

[graniteman]

If u may produce GH which is tested as 99.5 % purity in an investment of less then millions then u are the one who is making here fairy tales, and the fact that such technology, know how and facility costs millions no one may argue.

If u claim that I don't product the GH then pls make an anonymous order and test it, any day !

You may post any shit here, prove it u can't, who ever tested the Somastim posted conclusive results.

I was actually interested in this when I 1st heard about it but sounds like another unicorn fart.
And what's with the Yoda impersonation?

 

[Western-Biotech]

It's hard for me to figure out what the hell u ask for ? considering the nature of this biz I can't prove for your eyes I make the GH, though I posted authentic pics like u asked. Lets say that I lie and I don't manufacture it, then it'll be easy to prove it - make an anonymous test and make any lab test by any standards, I know that more then one customer here makes an order per week so test it on a constant basis, and see the repeated results.

So far we've got repeated superb results, lets keep testing, I've seen and told that the ones who actually used the Somastim stopped posting, as they find it pointless to keep fighting your baseless arguments, I know of a couple of members (one of them is a known member) who got the Somastim today, I hope they test it and post soon

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[dnml]

Karl I'm confused- are you saying that you will NOT do the tests you said you would do a week or so ago? The ones we've been waiting on that you said you would do just to "humor" us?

Or are those still outstanding?

If @mands or @muscle96ss could chime in here that would be helpful.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Sure - I said I make the tests, weekend so can't make exact date, I promise u personally a report

 

[ironwill1951]

If u may produce GH which is tested as 99.5 % purity in an investment of less then millions then u are the one who is making here fairy tales, and the fact that such technology, know how and facility costs millions no one may argue.

are you trying to tell me you spent millions to produce hgh ? if that was true you would be the dumbest fucking person in the world.. who would invest millions to make ugl hgh ? no one thats who, if you had millions you could find a much better investment than spending millions to sit on a board trying to sell an illegal product, you are insulting all of us at meso if you think that we are that stupid enough to believe your lies , your not even a good lier , you tell us to buy some and test it that sounds like a last effort on you part to try to scam us out of our money, go away.......

 

[muscle96ss]

Karl I'm confused- are you saying that you will NOT do the tests you said you would do a week or so ago? The ones we've been waiting on that you said you would do just to "humor" us?

Or are those still outstanding?

If @mands or @muscle96ss could chime in here that would be helpful.

Not sure what you want me or mands to chime in on here. I have no affiliation with Karl other than I purchased some GH from him. However, from reading what he has written, I think what he is saying is that he is performing the tests you guys requested which are not normal tests that are usually done on his product in his setting. He states that he is having them done independently so it is taking longer and that he already provided the tests that are normally to be done but that there seems to be a difference of opinion on what his tests show and why which he has tried to explain via notes from his professor. He also states that his professor is available for Skype to discuss one on one any questions anybody has yet not a single person has taken him up on his offer(which I can't seem to understand why as that would get us an immediate resolution and only demonstrates to me that the resident assclown is chicken shit and only likes to stir the pot play games). He also makes a point which I agree with in that people keep asking him for tests rather than doing the tests themselves and the ones that have been have shown pharm grade quality GH. The reason I agree with this is that many times sources post up lab tests and they are taken with a grain of salt because they are biased and not independent and can be faked so easily. Nobody cares what the sources test show, they care what the tests performed by an anonymous order show. Look at the testing program you guys have been trying to set up here; everyone agrees that it has to be transparent and that simply having the source say he is doing testing and show you tests is basically worthless. So, I am not sure why the sheep in this thread have suddenly changed their mind and are so interested in Karl's tests. Anyway, I think this thread is at a stand still becaue even if Karl posts the tests people are going to come up with other excuses or state that they useless for one reason or another. I personally believe the product is good quality GH, whether he produces it from scratch or not I have no idea. My guess is that the has a connection where he gets high grade GH powder that has already been prodcued and then he simply has to have the inactive ingredients added and lypholized in a facility that he has contracted with or may or may not have some ownership in. I also believe the whole process is done in Europe and has nothing to do with China. Thats just my opinion based on what I have seen presented before as well as conversations I have had with Karl over the past several months.

 

[kawilt]

I personally believe the product is good quality GH, whether he produces it from scratch or not I have no idea. My guess is that the has a connection where he gets high grade GH powder that has already been prodcued and then he simply has to have the inactive ingredients added and lypholized in a facility that he has contracted with or may or may not have some ownership in. I also believe the whole process is done in Europe and has nothing to do with China. Thats just my opinion based on what I have seen presented before as well as conversations I have had with Karl over the past several months.

I agree with you here muscle96ss. I didn't think about it about it being processed in Europe, but that makes sense.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Not sure what you want me or mands to chime in on here. I have no affiliation with Karl other than I purchased some GH from him. However, from reading what he has written, I think what he is saying is that he is performing the tests you guys requested which are not normal tests that are usually done on his product in his setting. He states that he is having them done independently so it is taking longer and that he already provided the tests that are normally to be done but that there seems to be a difference of opinion on what his tests show and why which he has tried to explain via notes from his professor. He also states that his professor is available for Skype to discuss one on one any questions anybody has yet not a single person has taken him up on his offer(which I can't seem to understand why as that would get us an immediate resolution and only demonstrates to me that the resident assclown is chicken shit and only likes to stir the pot play games). He also makes a point which I agree with in that people keep asking him for tests rather than doing the tests themselves and the ones that have been have shown pharm grade quality GH. The reason I agree with this is that many times sources post up lab tests and they are taken with a grain of salt because they are biased and not independent and can be faked so easily. Nobody cares what the sources test show, they care what the tests performed by an anonymous order show. Look at the testing program you guys have been trying to set up here; everyone agrees that it has to be transparent and that simply having the source say he is doing testing and show you tests is basically worthless. So, I am not sure why the sheep in this thread have suddenly changed their mind and are so interested in Karl's tests. Anyway, I think this thread is at a stand still becaue even if Karl posts the tests people are going to come up with other excuses or state that they useless for one reason or another. I personally believe the product is good quality GH, whether he produces it from scratch or not I have no idea. My guess is that the has a connection where he gets high grade GH powder that has already been prodcued and then he simply has to have the inactive ingredients added and lypholized in a facility that he has contracted with or may or may not have some ownership in. I also believe the whole process is done in Europe and has nothing to do with China. Thats just my opinion based on what I have seen presented before as well as conversations I have had with Karl over the past several months.

The reason no one takes him up on his offer, is because most of the loud mouths in this thread, are just that..Loud mouths. Cant back up anything they say, yet will discredit a source and his products that they want tested without any proof, yet when the source posts up his independant results, they dont believe him.

Its a no win situation, no matter who posts up results.

 

[Marcus]

@muscle96ss you make some decent points, but calling some of us sheep? Hardly.

Think of it like this from my consumer mind. We have Karl here claiming to own a lab that produces HGH, this would be phenomenonal, because someone who certainly invests this kind of money in to a lab for the purposes of underground resale would likely not then scam his customers at any point due to the highest of quality control and the potential loss of investment. This creates a trust within an unknown client base if he is able to convince them of this agredious claim.

However someone who is still at the mercy of their raw supplier has no control over the quality of GH produced. Now even if tests it consistently, which is obvious that he doesn't, he would most likely still continue to sell this batch of bunk GH when it does come through. When a client finally does test it, he will do 2 things, 1: refer to earlier tests performed by clients that proved that it was the highest quality HGH, and/or 2: he will reference this specific batch to a problem with quality quality as the issue. But eventually as it always does, the quality will fall off since he himself is not the one producing it as claimed. It simple dollars and cents in the end for him and he is here to make money and it is doubtful in my opinion that it's for the long haul, that's all. That being said, I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing to jump in and grab some high quality right now, just get it while the gettin is good

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

I was deff willing to give karl a try. Decided to buy his hgh and so far I deff regret. As I said before I am pretty new here and have no affiliation or friendship with no one in this forum. Being 9 weeks out of nationals and having my personal source busted I had to find a quick one and thought here I would find something decent. Based on research and reviews I decided to give spetz a try for gear and I gotta say guy is doing a great job and I am loving his stuff. fast shipping, good gear and fast reply. After being successful with him I decided to give karl a try for his hgh. This time being dumb and even with all the bad comments I thought maybe the guy was being truthful and had a good hgh. I sent him the money and after 2 WEEKS I had the hgh shipped. No problem I understand sometimes people have problems. Finally got my hands on it. Vial looked good, label, etc. I mixed 20 ius with 2 ml bad water. First shot 2 ius sub q in the abs. injection went smooth. 20 min later big ass lump in the injection spot. did 2 ius at night on the other side of abs, another big lump. Woke up today with those lumps being smaller but still there. So decided to try 2 ius intramuscular in the quad. no lump after shot but shit IM REALLY SORE. like I was supposed to hit legs today and I had to do chest. I can barely walk in pain. So Karl as I promised I am here, I told you I was gonna do test on it but it is pretty hard when I can't even inject 2 ius without getting fucked up. I thought maybe it is me or my body. I contacted 2 people that bought from him and 1 didn't reply me back. The other one said he is having the exactly same problem as me. So i guess the problem is not me, it is your hgh that it is probably garbage 192aa OR it is was done in a fucked up facility with bad hygiene. At this time I don't even know what to do considering I will probably have to wait 2 more weeks to get something else that I have no guarantee it will be good. Plus all the hastle from shipping you back this garbage I have in my hands. Im sorry about the big text but as I said I was gonna give it my review...here it is. I was really hoping to give an excellent review and even recommend people to buy from you, but after all of this, Im sorry karl but your stuff is garbage!

 

[muscle96ss]

@muscle96ss you make some decent points, but calling some of us sheep? Hardly.

Think of it like this from my consumer mind. We have Karl here claiming to own a lab that produces HGH, this would be phenomenonal, because someone who certainly invests this kind of money in to a lab for the purposes of underground resale would likely not then scam his customers at any point due to the highest of quality control and the potential loss of investment. This creates a trust within an unknown client base if he is able to convince them of this agredious claim.

However someone who is still at the mercy of their raw supplier has no control over the quality of GH produced. Now even if tests it consistently, which is obvious that he doesn't, he would most likely still continue to sell this batch of bunk GH when it does come through. When a client finally does test it, he will do 2 things, 1: refer to earlier tests performed by clients that proved that it was the highest quality HGH, and/or 2: he will reference this specific batch to a problem with quality quality as the issue. But eventually as it always does, the quality will fall off since he himself is not the one producing it as claimed. It simple dollars and cents in the end for him and he is here to make money and it is doubtful in my opinion that it's for the long haul, that's all. That being said, I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing to jump in and grab some high quality right now, just get it while the gettin is good

I understand your point; but he is currently going to be providing a test or tests that were requested and having them done by an independent lab. How is that going to support or negate his claim of manufacturing the GH himself? For all we know, he could go purchase a Serostim kit and send it off for testing and give us those results; that doesn't mean he produced it or that he has any quality control.

 

[Marcus]

I understand your point; but he is currently going to be providing a test or tests that were requested and having them done by an independent lab. How is that going to support or negate his claim of manufacturing the GH himself? For all we know, he could go purchase a Serostim kit and send it off for testing and give us those results; that doesn't mean he produced it or that he has any quality control.

Oh I get you on that, the tests are pointless, the purpose of everyone asking for him to post the tests he had was to prove he was manufacturing it. I think we're way past that. He could send any GH in.

I was just talking from a business aspect down the now and down the toad, what it appears is happening and could/will happen in my mind, again just my opinion. I really hope that he just remains a good source for everyone who is purchasing, and that every one continues to test it, but it's doubtful. I think some points were agreeing on in different forms and some were just seeing differently.

 

[kawilt]

Iv'e gotten lumps after pins on the stomach, but they were because I got it all under the skin and not into the fat. They went down slowly. Could this have been a factor?

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

Iv'e gotten lumps after pins on the stomach, but they were because I got it all under the skin and not into the fat. They went down slowly. Could this have been a factor?

Ive used most of hgh out there. From serostim to kigs, rips, and I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH LUMPS BEFORE! For me or it is 192aa or it wasn't done with proper hygiene. 2 shots in the abs so far, 2 lumps. I always go deep enough with needle. the one in my quad is SORE as fuck. LET ME TELL YOU IVE BEEN DOING 6 ML PER SHOT OF GEAR IN MY GLUTES AND QUADS AND I DONT GET THIS SORE AS I GOT WITH 2 FUCKING IUS.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

I told everyone I worked in cleaner M labs. Karl isnt producing hgh have fun dealing with him, when he rips everyone off which he will cause he has no control over raws. We are setting the tone here fellas, lets not deal with dishonest sources were just ask for sources to come in here and fuck us. What do you think will happen when you get fucked by him, he will ask for an email that you shouldn't have just like he did to brother johnnyBALLZ. Fuck it iam done.

 

[muscle96ss]

I told everyone I worked in cleaner M labs. Karl isnt producing hgh have fun dealing with him, when he rips everyone off which he will cause he has no control over raws. We are setting the tone here fellas, lets not deal with dishonest sources were just ask for sources to come in here and fuck us. What do you think will happen when you get fucked by him, he will ask for an email that you shouldn't have just like he did to brother johnnyBALLZ. Fuck it iam done.

The lumps have nothing to do with cleanliness, its not abcesses or infections rather an irritation or reaction(my wife has been injecting 2 x daily since a week ago saturday night and has had only 1 red lump that occured a couple days ago; whereas I injected on 2 occasions from the same vial and got a lump on both occasions). In addition, the fact that there is this issue actually supports the notion that Karl is making his own GH or at least has some control over what is going into it as if he were just shipping a premade generic GH then we would not be having these injection problems with both the first and second batches. The only way we would be having these injection problems is if someone producing the stuff doesn't fully know what they are doing.