Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[dnml]

@muscle96ss you make some decent points, but calling some of us sheep? Hardly.

Think of it like this from my consumer mind. We have Karl here claiming to own a lab that produces HGH, this would be phenomenonal, because someone who certainly invests this kind of money in to a lab for the purposes of underground resale would likely not then scam his customers at any point due to the highest of quality control and the potential loss of investment. This creates a trust within an unknown client base if he is able to convince them of this agredious claim.

However someone who is still at the mercy of their raw supplier has no control over the quality of GH produced. Now even if tests it consistently, which is obvious that he doesn't, he would most likely still continue to sell this batch of bunk GH when it does come through. When a client finally does test it, he will do 2 things, 1: refer to earlier tests performed by clients that proved that it was the highest quality HGH, and/or 2: he will reference this specific batch to a problem with quality quality as the issue. But eventually as it always does, the quality will fall off since he himself is not the one producing it as claimed. It simple dollars and cents in the end for him and he is here to make money and it is doubtful in my opinion that it's for the long haul, that's all. That being said, I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing to jump in and grab some high quality right now, just get it while the gettin is good

I must admit his 'sheep' comment made me pause for a minute too. .. Then I just glanced over it thinking he wasn't taking about most of us sane posters in this thread. He's been pretty decent so far, I think he's just pissed at Jim like a lot of us. Not defending him if I am wrong though.

I understand your point; but he is currently going to be providing a test or tests that were requested and having them done by an independent lab. How is that going to support or negate his claim of manufacturing the GH himself? For all we know, he could go purchase a Serostim kit and send it off for testing and give us those results; that doesn't mean he produced it or that he has any quality control.

I agree with this; for me the issue is one of credibility and follow thru. He said he would do it, so I want to see him do it. Obviously some ppl will respond how you (and I) anticipate. But if he can't even produce the tests, or if they don't jive with the first set, that's a huge problem for me.

 

[Dr JIM]

The lumps have nothing to do with cleanliness, its not abcesses or infections rather an irritation or reaction(my wife has been injecting 2 x daily since a week ago saturday night and has had only 1 red lump that occured a couple days ago; whereas I injected on 2 occasions from the same vial and got a lump on both occasions). In addition, the fact that there is this issue actually supports the notion that Karl is making his own GH or at least has some control over what is going into it as if he were just shipping a premade generic GH then we would not be having these injection problems with both the first and second batches. The only way we would be having these injection problems is if someone producing the stuff doesn't fully know what they are doing.

Damn muscle if someone developed an anaphylactic RX and f....ing died you would still be there defending K bc your a damn shill and absolutely sickening.

Where are those tests K said he would post? Yea that's right I said they were pointless but K said he would obtain them regardless. So where are they? You guys are FOS!

Now is pretty clear BB is NOT happy with this product! Well duh MH the fella can't walk after pinning Ks, GH.

Hey K recall you had guaranteed this crap. Yea right MH run those tests and BLINDLY DEFEND K, SHILL

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey MH who are you shilling for?
Let's see out of 144 posts ALL are posts on Karius BAL or K's Western Bio.

What a fascinating PM headline, but crap they are fully aware of who your working for, and I promise, your interest is far removed from any mate on Meso

So try again about how your attempting to ensure K keeps things straight up, BULLSHIT SHILL!

 

[muscle96ss]

Damn muscle if someone developed an anaphylactic RX and f....ing died you would still be there defending K bc your a damn shill and absolutely sickening.

Where are those tests K said he would post? Yea that's right I said they were pointless but K said he would obtain them regardless. So where are they? You guys are FOS!

Now is pretty clear BB is NOT happy with this product! Well duh MH the fella can't walk after pinning Ks, GH.

Hey K recall you had guaranteed this crap. Yea right MH run those tests and BLINDLY DEFEND K, SHILL

I am pretty sure you stated a while back that you were done posting in this thread; guess your word doesn't mean much. Are you planning on taking this thread on another tangent here talking about anaphylactic shock? If you would just stick to the issues and quit taking things to extremes and talking nonsense then maybe this thread could be productive.

 

[Dr JIM]

Yep I did but K said he was going to do it anyway. Or did you conveniently overlook that fact!

 

[muscle96ss]

Hey MH who are you shilling for?
Let's see out of 144 posts ALL are posts on Karius BAL or K's Western Bio.

What a fascinating PM headline, but crap they are fully aware of who your working for, and I promise, your interest is far removed from any mate on Meso

So try again about how your attempting to ensure K keeps things straight up, BULLSHIT SHILL!

My reputation on the boards clearly speaks for itself and I am one that has always stuck up for the truth whether it be pro-source or anti-source. I have even blasted sources that I have praised before and vice versa. I know that you don't know me as we seem to frequent different boards but you can ask anyone who knows me of my rep. You can even re-read this thread in its entirety and see where I stand on this issue as I am with you guys on certain things but do not approve of the lynching and games being played as things have been blown way out of proportion and it is 100% clear to everyone reading this thread that your opinion has been biased from the beginning. In fact it is kind of funny the things you said about mands tests considering your role, but I will not get into that.

 

[muscle96ss]

Yep I did but K said he was going to do it anyway. Or did you conveniently overlook that fact!

I agree, he did in fact state that and others have called him out on that already so there is no need for you to chime in on that with throwing in anaphylactic shock to start a whole subset of other concerns and arguments that we both know are not of issue(which I am sure you are going to say it is and we will be off again).

 

[Western-Biotech]

I would like to ask for this - I arrange independent test in a FDA (foreign) approved lab -

I would like to keep it anonymous of course, but would like to let a member here preferably the owner to talk to the lab who arranges it and confirm the authenticity of the tests, if not it's all in vain and we all know it, I really try for u out of respect, but need cooperation

Also be aware that the available AA seq map the last 10 AA - this is the standard appropriate test of course, but I want no issues afterward

 

[Dr JIM]

My reputation on the boards clearly speaks for itself ....

LMAO!

Yep I can see that now, but your not on a censored board where the "rules" protect those with advertising dollars and their associate plants.

Nope this board is called Meso and it's fully uncensored,

Because of that fact your ulterior motives are patently obvious. Your a SHILL and can't be trusted, bc your for SALE fella!

 

[Dr JIM]

I would like to ask for this - I arrange independent test in a FDA (foreign) approved lab -

I would like to keep it anonymous of course, but would like to let a member here preferably the owner to talk to the lab who arranges it and confirm the authenticity of the tests, if not it's all in vain and we all know it, I really try for u out of respect, but need cooperation

Also be aware that the available AA seq map the last 10 AA - this is the standard appropriate test of course, but I want no issues afterward

No Karl I do NOT agree the terminal 10 amino acids where cleavage occurs in the ribosome is the same as analyzing ALL 191 amino acids in the polypeptide called GH and that suggestion is pure garbage for an unproven lab as yours.

I will agree BOTH terminal amide groups are used as the screening process for GH by established pharmaceutical companies, AND YOUR DEFINITELY NOT THAT.

The test you should have done long ago is called the Trypsin peptide cleavage of the ENTIRE GH MOLECULE.

Let's see it, or get lost!

 

[Dr JIM]

How odd you SAID you were going to post these studies roughly two weeks ago but DID NOT.

Damn what a surprise!

 

[Western-Biotech]

I establish the fact that I produce HGH by a specific biological assay test defined in poharmacopuia and posted it, and yes the pharma companies uses the terminal 10 AA, I speculate only this test is available at this independent lab, but I'll ask,

You asked for test which are not done in may facility, and I arrange independent lab tests like I should which simply takes more time

If u do have any doubts, and requires test which doesn't even done by licensed pharma WHY DON'T U ORDER AND TEST IT ? IT'LL PROVE MORE I GUESS ?! OHH LETS KEEP THE BLA BLA, MORE FUN FOR U I GUESS

 

[Dr JIM]

The trypsin cleavage IS DONE BY licensed Pharma on EVERY LOT before sale K. The terminal peptide analysis is the screening they ALSO conduct during production K.

So let's see it.

Yea as I thought more BS from the master of BS!

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Hey muscle I dont believe your a shill and its not another batch its the same one this dude is a pos he only cares about the all mighty dollar. I dont agree that this proves he makes hgh.

 

[Dr JIM]

This is one primary reason I originally suggested these tests were not necessary bc YOU would find reasons NOT to conduct them K.

So your BS is expected.

You need an amino acid
and a trypsin cleavage analysis of the entire GH molecule, period.

End of this discussion.

But wait we have M96 on the consumers side who is going to ensure you make this right, lol

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

How odd you SAID you were going to post these studies roughly two weeks ago but DID NOT.

Damn what a surprise!

And we are all still waiting for brutus/johnnyballz mass spec tests that were promised close to 2 months ago on ALP orals. You still doing them, or did that fall through? Be sure to answer these questions, because all your info will be verified, I can assure you..

1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

And those points, came straight from your mouth. If you need me to post the link, I will.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Karl how would we buying your product and testing it prove you make hgh?

 

[Mr.Bravo]

And we are all still waiting for brutus/johnnyballz mass spec tests that were promised close to 2 months ago on ALP orals. You still doing them, or did that fall through? Be sure to answer these questions, because all your info will be verified, I can assure you..

1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

And those points, came straight from your mouth. If you need me to post the link, I will.

IM what the fuck do johnnyBALLZ and brutus79 have to do with this, keep up stupid.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - buying my products and test them on a random basis, plus having an expert talk to my professor and confirm the knowledge, technology and QA measures may get u much closer to the truth then the repeated bullshit here.

I claim I produce it, lets say I'm just supplying it, would it make any difference ? if in the end of day u get quality GH...

Lets bring an expert which may asses my statements, lets test the product like Mands did,

Keep drilling in the doubts don't serve u

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Bravo - buying my products and test them on a random basis, plus having an expert talk to my professor and confirm the knowledge, technology and QA measures may get u much closer to the truth then the repeated bullshit here.

I claim I produce it, lets say I'm just supplying it, would it make any difference ? if in the end of day u get quality GH...
Karl it makes a huge difference would you deal with someone who lied to you, I asked you very politely to come clean about any thing you thought we should know. You declined and thats why were here now.
Lets bring an expert which may asses my statements, lets test the product like Mands did,

Keep drilling in the doubts don't serve u