Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[graniteman]

The lumps have nothing to do with cleanliness, its not abcesses or infections rather an irritation or reaction(my wife has been injecting 2 x daily since a week ago saturday night and has had only 1 red lump that occured a couple days ago; whereas I injected on 2 occasions from the same vial and got a lump on both occasions). In addition, the fact that there is this issue actually supports the notion that Karl is making his own GH or at least has some control over what is going into it as if he were just shipping a premade generic GH then we would not be having these injection problems with both the first and second batches. The only way we would be having these injection problems is if someone producing the stuff doesn't fully know what they are doing.

How can you say you know the lumps aren't a issue with the gh sterility, how could you know this? How do you know you have the same batch, product? I've pinned all sorts of generics as well as USDA and never had any lumps whatsoever. So you are saying this is garbage as , in your words, whoever is producing it doesn't know what they're doing?
Just asking , your post is a little confusing

Ive used most of hgh out there. From serostim to kigs, rips, and I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH LUMPS BEFORE! For me or it is 192aa or it wasn't done with proper hygiene. 2 shots in the abs so far, 2 lumps. I always go deep enough with needle. the one in my quad is SORE as fuck. LET ME TELL YOU IVE BEEN DOING 6 ML PER SHOT OF GEAR IN MY GLUTES AND QUADS AND I DONT GET THIS SORE AS I GOT WITH 2 FUCKING IUS.

 

[Dr JIM]

Are you sure you want me to elaborate? I will be happy to do so in a couple of hours when I finish making and eating my lamb racks with my family. However I think it would look better coming from you admitting your role in the testing that has already taken place. I just looked and I still have the private message that confirms it. I have been trying to avoid bringing this bit off information into the fiasco but frankly I am sick of your shit and this will definitely put things into perspective and show what a hypocrit you really are.

Go for it fella and make yourself known as the shill and fool you already are.

I have nothing to hide and if you can PROVE otherwise post it MH.

However remember on Meso we censor any info that would compel others to believe I can be bought.

Hmm sound familiar, lol!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Granit - u may test the GH now for sterility, toxins and pyrogen, and again it'll exceed the pharma grade, also this member reported he got a lump after 30 mins, this can't be an infection, and it's not, it's from an old batch, I have the correspondences, this issue is solved, check posts,

I offered this customer a replacement and a compensation like I should

 

[muscle96ss]

My role?

Hmm you want to elaborate fella bc I damn sure have NOTHING TO HIDE!

Ok guys here it is. Back before everything got out of hand, mands mentioned that he was going to be sending the GH into a lab to get tested. At that time I did not know him on a personal level and only knew of his reputation. Anyway, he sent me a PM or conversation as it is called on this forum stating that Dr. Jim was going to be going back to the university of T(not going to divulge full name) in a couple of weeks and was going to be performing the lab tests for him. I checked and I still have the PM/conversation if proof is needed. So I ask everyone to go back and reread this thread knowing that Dr. Jim is the one who actually performed mands tests and see how ridiculous of a lynching this thread has been. This is why I refer to him as nothing but an assclown and heckler and the primary reason why I have been so vigilant in standing up for Karl with certain allegations. To summarize Dr. Jim did mands tests, told mands that it was good quality GH, told mands of the high purity, etc... and then spends page after page saying that mands tests doesn't prove its GH and we need more tests etc... Thats what I was referring to in my earlier post about the sheep as Dr. Jim casts doubt and then everyone follows along not knowing that the guy is blowing smoke up everyones ass. He states that he is here only seeking the truth, yet he knows the fucking truth and knows that the quality of the GH and has the ability to perform any tests he desires as he has had possession of the GH himself. There is no question about the quality of the GH, yet Dr. Jim has fabricated a bunch of doubt unfairly against Karl. To me, the only issue is whether or not Karl manufactures the GH or what variables he actually has control over. Anyway, that is my rant for the day, I didn't want to stir up a whole bunch of shit but I am just sick of seeing this assclown involved.

 

[muscle96ss]

How can you say you know the lumps aren't a issue with the gh sterility, how could you know this? How do you know you have the same batch, product? I've pinned all sorts of generics as well as USDA and never had any lumps whatsoever. So you are saying this is garbage as , in your words, whoever is producing it doesn't know what they're doing?
Just asking , your post is a little confusing

So if I inject it and get a lump after every inject and my wife injects from the same vial yet does not get a lump, then how could it be infected? I have also shot the previous batch IM and did not get an abcess. How come the lump goes away after a couple of days if it is infected? How come I have no other signs of infection? How come so many people report red lumps with Kefei? Trust me, the lumps are an issue and should not happen; but I am positive it has nothing to do with sterility and that it has nothing to do with the quality of the API.

 

[biggerben69]

So this is where the latest and newest story and claim of "Pharm GH" is being staged? I'm happy to be back and have been welcomed home by the board and have been running around and stopping in when i can.
Meso is a busy place that keeps growing. It had to happen..didn't it, Karl.
Now, a couple of years ago I had Karl's name coming out of my mouth because I felt strongly that he and his company had been wronged and being that he was a member of the Community he deserved a voice and that he would have one in myself and some others in the fight.
I also know that Karl doesn't know who I am as I'm not over on that side of the pond or up on the Hill or wherever it is he is these days. It's been said that K has gotten away from the regular folks and for one reason or another his brand has taken a hit as far as reputation and quality is concerned. I just hear things.
Damn! My company has arrived but will be back. If ever there was something that I was certain of it has to do with GH and more to do with those on both sides of the counter. I'm talking about the cash register and not one side or the other in any debate that the people on the side that would finally earn(used loosely) the kind of money that is involved over the last 10yrs in all the lies and scams and straight robbing of people hoping against hope and wanting something along the lines of what karl says he has.
Guys want so badly to have access to pharm quality gh PERIOD. They'll start there and believe me, they will figure a way to have it. The dream that Karl and others before him attempt to give members is just that. Its almost as if he is almost not stealing from some as they listen and spend and pass the loss on to others. See, that;s the big issue and evil here. The money that is out there. It has caused respected men to become the lowest form of life.
I gotta run....be back.

 

[Dr JIM]

Ok guys here it is. Back before everything got out of hand, mands mentioned that he was going to be sending the GH into a lab to get tested. At that time I did not know him on a personal level and only knew of his reputation. Anyway, he sent me a PM or conversation as it is called on this forum stating that Dr. Jim was going to be going back to the university of T(not going to divulge full name) in a couple of weeks and was going to be performing the lab tests for him. I checked and I still have the PM/conversation if proof is needed. So I ask everyone to go back and reread this thread knowing that Dr. Jim is the one who actually performed mands tests and see how ridiculous of a lynching this thread has been. This is why I refer to him as nothing but an assclown and heckler and the primary reason why I have been so vigilant in standing up for Karl with certain allegations. To summarize Dr. Jim did mands tests, told mands that it was good quality GH, told mands of the high purity, etc... and then spends page after page saying that mands tests doesn't prove its GH and we need more tests etc... Thats what I was referring to in my earlier post about the sheep as Dr. Jim casts doubt and then everyone follows along not knowing that the guy is blowing smoke up everyones ass. He states that he is here only seeking the truth, yet he knows the fucking truth and knows that the quality of the GH and has the ability to perform any tests he desires as he has had possession of the GH himself. There is no question about the quality of the GH, yet Dr. Jim has fabricated a bunch of doubt unfairly against Karl. To me, the only issue is whether or not Karl manufactures the GH or what variables he actually has control over. Anyway, that is my rant for the day, I didn't want to stir up a whole bunch of shit but I am just sick of seeing this assclown involved.

Holy shit MH I'm ruined, lol. Where's the vested interest! So what I did another GH test for someone for nothing. Ks wasn't the first and it won't be the last.

What you have been living in some cave? I've every reason to believe many on Meso knew I had had those tests conducted. Heck a few mates knew bc I told them.

So whom am I shilling for MH? Must be K on it's MANDS nope must be Eroids, hell no it's my favorite shill forum PRO Muscle

So that's it damn Dr Jim did tests on Ks product. Hmm guess now you know why I haven't accepted that offer again, LMAO

One other fact you overlook shill is the tests I had conducted show an entirely different picture than those that K posted and if I would not have performed those tests for comparison what evidence would there be to refute Ks BULLSHIT?

SPEAK UP NOW !!!

Oh but that's right we have MH he will ensure K performs legit tests, and four weeks later MH has ensured ZIPPO. Now that's a historical fact, so your the one blowing smoke up peoples arse and NOT me bc you've produced nothing just like stoolie should.

Oh i can hear it now, you did TWO tests for K and kept the extra GH and sold it

Get a life shill!

 

[muscle96ss]

Holy shit MH I'm ruined, lol. Where's the vested interest! So what I did another GH test for someone for nothing. Ks wasn't the first and it won't be the last.

What you have been loving in some cave? I've every reason to believe many on Meso knew I had had those tests conducted.

So whom am I shilling for MH? Must be K on it's MANDS nope must be Eroids, hell no it's my favorite shill forum PRO Muscle

So that's it damn Dr Jim did tests on Ks product. Hmm guess now you know why I haven't accepted that offer again, LMAO

Oh I can hear it now you did TWO tests for K and kept the GH and sold it

Get a life shill!

FUCK OFF IDIOT!! YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A LIAR AS YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN!!

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

So if I inject it and get a lump after every inject and my wife injects from the same vial yet does not get a lump, then how could it be infected? I have also shot the previous batch IM and did not get an abcess. How come the lump goes away after a couple of days if it is infected? How come I have no other signs of infection? How come so many people report red lumps with Kefei? Trust me, the lumps are an issue and should not happen; but I am positive it has nothing to do with sterility and that it has nothing to do with the quality of the API.

im seriously trying to stay quiet here. But i guess people are callong me liar! DO I NEED TO POST PICTURES OF THE LUMPS HERE???
YOU SAID PEOPLE GET RED AND ITCHY FROM KEIFEL SO YOU ARE COMPARING KARLS GH TO GENERIC CRAP? I THOUGHT I WAS BUYING PHARMA GRADE AND FROM WHAT I KNOW SEROSTIM NEVER GAVE ANYONE LUMPS SO I GUESSED KARLS HGH WOULD BE THE SAME. I INJECTED THIS GARBAGE YESTERDAY AND TOOK THE PIC TODAY. THIS MEANS THAT IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN 24 HOURS I HAVE THIS SHIT LUMP IN BOTH SIDES OF MY ABS. I NEVER WANTED TO TALK SHIT ABOUT KARLS STUFF BUT FROM THE MOMENT PEOPLE SAY IM LYING I WILL POST PICTURES AND PROVE WHAT I AM SAYING! IM NOT ANY STUPID ASS TRYING TO GET LEAN FOR FUN...I AM FUCKING 8 WEEKS out of nationals and this shit could ruin my whole prep! ONE MORE TIME IM NOT HERE TO BASH KARLS HGH BUT DONT CALL ME A LIAR CAUSE I CAN PROVE AND BACK UP EVERYTHING I SAID!

 

[muscle96ss]

im seriously trying to stay quiet here. But i guess people are callong me liar! DO I NEED TO POST PICTURES OF THE LUMPS HERE???
YOU SAID PEOPLE GET RED AND ITCHY FROM KEIFEL SO YOU ARE COMPARING KARLS GH TO GENERIC CRAP? I THOUGHT I WAS BUYING PHARMA GRADE AND FROM WHAT I KNOW SEROSTIM NEVER GAVE ANYONE LUMPS SO I GUESSED KARLS HGH WOULD BE THE SAME. I INJECTED THIS GARBAGE YESTERDAY AND TOOK THE PIC TODAY. THIS MEANS THAT IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN 24 HOURS I HAVE THIS SHIT LUMP IN BOTH SIDES OF MY ABS. I NEVER WANTED TO TALK SHIT ABOUT KARLS STUFF BUT FROM THE MOMENT PEOPLE SAY IM LYING I WILL POST PICTURES AND PROVE WHAT I AM SAYING! IM NOT ANY STUPID ASS TRYING TO GET LEAN FOR FUN...I AM FUCKING 8 WEEKS out of nationals and this shit could ruin my whole prep! ONE MORE TIME IM NOT HERE TO BASH KARLS HGH BUT DONT CALL ME A LIAR CAUSE I CAN PROVE AND BACK UP EVERYTHING I SAID!

I am not sure where you think I am calling you a liar. I am in total agreement with you about the lumps and got the lumps as well as we already discussed via private message. All I am stating is that the GH was tested by Dr. Jim himself and is of high quality and that the lumps are not caused by infection. There is an irritant or something in the formula that is causing the lump. In other words, the lump does not change the quality although it does make the GH not useable for some.

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

I am not sure where you think I am calling you a liar. I am in total agreement with you about the lumps and got the lumps as well as we already discussed via private message. All I am stating is that the GH was tested by Dr. Jim himself and is of high quality and that the lumps are not caused by infection. There is an irritant or something in the formula that is causing the lump. In other words, the lump does not change the quality although it does make the GH not useable for some.

I understand that bro...i never said his hgh is not pure! All I am saying is if the hgh is giving everybody lumps...something is wrong with it! Do you agree with me here? I was just told to dilute in 4 mls instead of 2 ml i will give it a try...

 

[muscle96ss]

Yes, I agree, is yours from the original batch without labels or the second batch with labels?

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

My vials have labels. Im not sure if it is first or second!

Yes, I agree, is yours from the original batch without labels or the second batch with labels?

 

[Western-Biotech]

He got the first batch - I may show it - he'll love the GH - I encouraged him to test it, hope he will, this is the batch Mands tested as 99.5% purity

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

I will give it a try doubling the water. I let you guys know how it goes. One more time regarding the quality i cant say nothing for now. As soon as i test it i will post here...

 

[Dr JIM]

Finally it's not my fault you failed to understand the complexity of Gel Electrophoresis bc everything I said on this thread is factually based.

Go ahead and pull any of that data I was critical of and see if ANY professor disagrees with my assertions.

Unfortunately far to many bro scientists now believe you can perform ONE test such as MS is HPLC and slap "purity = 95%" across the page and that's all there is to GH testing!)

Sorry but that's just not the standard in ANY certified lab and is also WHY the PHD chemist who interpreted these tests limited his comments to that which was KNOWN or PROVEN!

The facts are not ONE of the TESTS KARL had conducted proved anything. So here is the guy that's making the GH he sold to MANDS but the quality, purity and concentration are unequivocally different.

Hmm well maybe you fall for that kind of crap, being Ks man but I DO NOT and NEITHER should anyone else, IMO!

This is what is required by Pharm companies to sell a product as rHGH and based on the analyses K posted, all failed.

Prove a MW of 22KD failed GEP analysis showed a MW OF 19Kd
K did not perform a MS either!

Prove the compound was a peptide, NO test K conducted even came close such as an Amino Acid analysis

Prove it's purity, Ks only tests was a 19Kd GEP w a purity that varied considerably from 30-60%
(He posted what appears to be an HPLC but the copy is so faint it can't be deemed reliable evidence IMO)

Prove this compound has 191 Amino acids of a specific type and sequence, NOT.

No the facts are every piece of evidence K used to support the notion he even has GH, was posted by MANDS!
(Whom unfortunately in many ways got stuck in the middle of this Pandora's box )

Now let's get one thing straight bc K is the one selling this product K is also the one responsible for evidentiary full disclosure.

Moreover this form of evidence should have been cited by K long ago rather than being some cheap ass, asking others to perform the tests he neglected or can't perform.

Crap MH what planet you living on, bc if anything I unintentionally aided K in this endeavor by posting data that supports the quality of WHAT HE STATES IS HIS GH!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - test the Somastim by any standards u like to - pls do and save us the headache - if you like to then arrange a real doc doc, and he may confirm our SDS-process with our markers

 

[Dr JIM]

He got the first batch - I may show it - he'll love the GH - I encouraged him to test it, hope he will, this is the batch Mands tested as 99.5% purity

Stop reporting the purity was 99.5% K! It was not and I have the HPLCs that refute that claim.

One things for sure none of the tests you conducted were even close to 95%!

When is the AA and Trypsin peptide sequence analysis due to arrive K?

Yep I also have that for comparison, so let's stop this bullshit!

I've ALWAYS had one interest and that's to ensure the GH you or anyone else is selling is GTG. MH if you believe you have any evidence that refutes that comment post that also!

One more thing MH this GH thing is a crusade for me bc anaphylaxis, although quite rare, can happen.

I've first hand experience with that VERY ISSUE, and that loved one of mine suffered severe adverse effects!

Jim

 

[Western-Biotech]

Test it - say I make now A, B o Z tests fo u, just like u posted a couple of hou ago you'll say I may submit a manipulated sample

 

[muscle96ss]

Finally it's not my fault you failed to understand the complexity of Gel Electrophoresis bc everything I said on this thread is factually based.

Go ahead and pull any of that data I was critical of and see if ANY professor disagrees with my assertions.

Unfortunately far to many bro scientists now believe you can perform ONE test such as MS is HPLC and slap "purity = 95%" across the page and that's all there is to GH testing!)

Sorry but that's just not the standard in ANY certified lab and is also WHY the PHD chemist who interpreted these tests limited his comments to that which was KNOWN or PROVEN!

The facts are not ONE of the TESTS KARL had conducted proved anything. So here is the guy that's making the GH he sold to MANDS but the quality, purity and concentration are unequivocally different.

Hmm well maybe you fall for that kind of crap, being Ks man but I DO NOT and NEITHER should anyone else, IMO!

This is what is required by Pharm companies to sell a product as rHGH and based on the analyses K posted, all failed.

Prove a MW of 22KD failed GEP analysis showed a MW OF 19Kd
K did not perform a MS either!

Prove the compound was a peptide, NO test K conducted even came close such as an Amino Acid analysis

Prove it's purity, Ks only tests was a 19Kd GEP w a purity that varied considerably from 30-60%
(He posted what appears to be an HPLC but the copy is so faint it can't be deemed reliable evidence IMO)

Prove this compound has 191 Amino acids of a specific type and sequence, NOT.

No the facts are every piece of evidence K used to support the notion he even has GH, was posted by MANDS!
(Whom unfortunately in many ways got stuck in the middle of this Pandora's box )

Now let's get one thing straight bc K is the one selling this product K is also the one responsible for evidentiary full disclosure.

Moreover this form of evidence should have been cited by K long ago rather than being some cheap ass, asking others to perform the tests he neglected or can't perform.

Crap MH what planet you living on, bc if anything I unintentionally aided K in this endeavor by posting data that supports the quality of WHAT HE STATES IS HIS GH!

You ask what planet I am living on??? Seriously, man you are fucking delusional!!! Nothing more is needed to be said. All anybody has to do is read the thread knowing that you are the one that tested mands GH and unless they have a negative IQ they will come to the conlcusion that you are nothing but an assclown and have done nothing but instigate this whole nonsense. Its a shame because with your level of knowledge, your testing capability, and the fact that you had the fucking GH in your possession to do whatever tests you wanted; we could have wrapped up the discussion on the quality of the GH about 60 pages ago and move on to focus on the question of production. I am not biased and seek nothing but the truth. On the other hand your bias is so evident that even a blind man could see it and you have no interest in the truth.