Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[muscle96ss]

Stop reporting the purity was 99.5% K! It was not and I have the HPLCs that refute that claim.

One things for sure none of the tests you conducted were even close to 95%, lol.

When is that AS and Trypsin peptide sequence coming K.

Yep I also have that for comparison, so let's stop this bullshit!

I believe you Dr. Jim is the one that reported it was 99.5%(actually it was mands that reported it but it supposedly came from you). Are you getting caught in your web of lies now? Also what does it matter what test Karl shows you; how is that going to prove he produced it? If these tests are so fucking important, why didn't you perform the GH when you had it in your possession and did the other tests?

 

[Dr JIM]

FUCK OFF IDIOT!! YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A LIAR AS YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN!!

Oh now I've lied?

Well u may have me there bc you being a K shill, your levels of expertise far exceeds mine in that category!

And to think I thought we could still be friends

 

[Dr JIM]

I believe you Dr. Jim is the one that reported it was 99.5%(actually it was mands that reported it but it supposedly came from you). Are you getting caught in your web of lies now? Also what does it matter what test Karl shows you; how is that going to prove he produced it? If these tests are so fucking important, why didn't you perform the GH when you had it in your possession and did the other tests?

Better be careful bc do you want to implicate someone else just to support what you think
could, should or would be written in an email, bc I KNOW what I wrote DO YOU? HELL
NO!

Damn are you so foolish as to believe someone whom is "producing" a compound with the complexity of GH's would or should NOT be able to cite analytical data that supports their claims of purity and quality within 24 hours!

Consequently it should be obvious WHY these tests are important, although much less now than at the beginning of this thread.

It establishes a certain degree of competency for analyzing the GH they are selling, ah duh, ah duh, ah duh!

While it's not as important now, I can and will use those tests I've already performed yet have not posted for comparison.

See it's one means of evaluating whether K does a GH switch-a-ru

Is that what you were referring to about lying? You know trying to get K to perform a test for other than it's stated purpose?

Yep I'm guilty then

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Its a shame because with your level of knowledge, your testing capability, and the fact that you had the fucking GH in your possession to do whatever tests you wanted; we could have wrapped up the discussion on the quality of the GH about 60 pages ago and move on to focus on the question of production.

I think the focus has been entirely on production ever since Mand's test results were released.

The bottom line is this: K claims to have invested millions of dollars into the infrastructure needed to manufacture hGH. And yet he has been UNABLE to provide so much as a single test that he conducted on GH - neither his nor anybody elses. THAT says all anyone needs to know, IMO.

The only test we've seen so far that conclusively proves the presence of hGH is Mand's. K's story doesn't hold water. Something nefarious is going on. I have NO doubt about that.

 

[Western-Biotech]

CFS - you have no clue and makes shame of yourself repeatedly - If any test proves it's GH beyond any doubt it's the biological assay test which we conduct.

I explained the set of test we do, make yours pls

 

[dnml]

WTF AM I THE ONLY ONE FUCKING FURIOUS OVER JIM'S DECEPTIONS AND MISREPRESENTATIONS?

WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO QUIET ABOUT THIS?!?!

It's as simple as this: if the proponents/supporters tests are invalid b/c of inherit bias... THEN.... the detractors/opponents testing, ESPECIALLY WHEN DONE BY THEMSELVES, is exponentially more invalid.

This is why he hid the fact instead of just saying, "I did Mands' tests myself and therefore. .."

To quote the con artist Jim himself, "Res ipsa loquitur."

This is a big deal, and I respectfully ask Meso via @Millard Baker to actionably weigh in here. This is Jim prostituting Meso as a silent partner in his con. And while we're anti censorship, when it's deemed harmful to the community ppl do get banned. If this doesn't qualify I don't know what does.

We've all just seen behind the curtain at Jim's character guys. Remember this.

 

[Dr JIM]

At that time I did not know him on a personal level and only knew of his reputation. Anyway, he sent me a PM or conversation as it is called on this forum stating that Dr. Jim was going to be going back to the university of T(not going to divulge full name) in a couple of weeks and was going to be performing the lab tests for him.

I checked and I still have the PM/conversation if proof is needed.

To summarize Dr. Jim did mands tests, told mands that it was good quality GH, told mands of the high purity, etc... and then spends page after page saying that mands tests doesn't prove its GH -------- I didn't want to stir up a whole bunch of shit.

Oh FYI MH I just noticed some very revealing information.

The PM you so willingly discuss on an open forum was unequivocally privileged information!

Fact is MANDS made it perfectly clear my name would NEVER be revealed, to anyone period.

However roughly one week after forwarding the analytical data to MANDS our entire EMAIL discussion including the facilities speciality, qualifications and specific laboratory niche, excluding my name, was posted on PROFESSIONAL MUSCLE's open forum for all to view.

Why, bc it seemed posting this information would provide further proof the analytical data obtained was GTG, thereby facilitating sales.

However now it's also patently obvious not only was my name released to a virtual unknown, MH, but also my employer and specific EMAILS that describe in detail our privileged discussions to some stranger whom you believed was someone worthy of establishing credibility with bc he was a PM "vet" with connections.

One can only imagine how many other PM vets were told of my name or our conversations thru glib shop talk or otherwise.

Or how did you put it MH "I did not know him (MANDS) on a personal level"!

Although the deletion of an individual/s or a lab facility name is a trite occurrence within laboratory science, especially when off label prescription drugs are involved, I also requested the removal of my personal data, bc the tests conducted could be mis-construed as being performed
"as an on duty activity"!

Of course that was never the case!

Finally MH unless you have access to these emails where you can cite my commentary verbatim, rather than paraphrasing scientific commentary where your fund of knowledge is obviously limited, give me a break about how I mistreated poor Karl your boss bc of some evanescent motive!

The fact is out of almost 7000 posts not ONE has been even remotely critical of K until this thread.

Why bc HIS WORDS ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE EVIDENCE HE HAS POSTED, it's that simple!

MANDS my goodness I hope having K as "friend" was worth it.

 

[dnml]

KARL, see my replies below in CAPS:

Dnml - not sure if you just ignore my posts - I offered independent tests a couple of hours ago, and offered a way to validate them, the ball is in your hands

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A LANGUAGE ISSUE OR WHAT, BUT THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, NOT MINE. WAITING ON YOUR TEST RESULTS.

Follow Muscle96 post - I can't express it better - I may post now anything, it won't prove much if comes from me, you simply follow the agenda here of Dr Jim, and serve his ego mania,

FUCKING BULLSHIT I'VE HAMMERED JIM HARDER THAN ANYBODY HERE. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR, "I WOULD BUT IT WON'T MATTER ANYWAYS SO I'M NOT GOING TO"... BOTH YOU AND JIM HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT. YOU SAID YOU WOULD RETEST. I AM A MAN OF MY WORD. ARE YOU?

the ball is in your hands - ask the admin, or any accepted member to asses my tests and talk to the lab I submit the tests to.

WHY? JUST PRODUCE THE RESULTS.

I explained we do a certain set of tests, you asked for more, I said fine, but cooperate with me in order to prove I do the honest thing

THERE IS NOTHING FOR ME TO COOPERATE WITH. PRODUCE THE RESULTS.

Anyone knows that the best is simply test the Somastim anonymously by honest members here

 

[Marcus]

WTF AM I THE ONLY ONE FUCKING FURIOUS OVER JIM'S DECEPTIONS AND MISREPRESENTATIONS?

WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO QUIET ABOUT THIS?!?!

It's as simple as this: if the proponents/supporters tests are invalid b/c of inherit bias... THEN.... the detractors/opponents testing, ESPECIALLY WHEN DONE BY THEMSELVES, is exponentially more invalid.

This is why he hid the fact instead of just saying, "I did Mands' tests myself and therefore. .."

To quote the con artist Jim himself, "Res ipsa loquitur."

This is a big deal, and I respectfully ask Meso via @Millard Baker to actionably weigh in here. This is Jim prostituting Meso as a silent partner in his con. And while we're anti censorship, when it's deemed harmful to the community ppl do get banned. If this doesn't qualify I don't know what does.

We've all just seen behind the curtain at Jim's character guys. Remember this.

I'm a little confused here, just read back this past page. So doc Jim did the test, but while he had the GH in possession did not perform all necessary tests to prove it was GH? And then emailed mands and told of the results of there tests that were performed? Or was there something else in the email that was left out?
Why is doc Jim so adement about Karl doing these tests? Sorry about my confusion, I think I'm just a little lost. If im a the only one, then your more than welcome to just tell me via PM man. I don't wanna waste people's time, or I'll pick it up later.

 

[dnml]

The PM you so willingly discuss on an open forum was unequivocally privileged information!

Fact is MANDS made it perfectly clear my name would NEVER be revealed, to anyone period.

However roughly one week after forwarding the analytical data to MANDS our entire EMAIL discussion including the facilities speciality, qualifications and specific laboratory niche, excluding my name, was posted on PROFESSIONAL MUSCLE's open forum for all to view.

However now it's also patently obvious not only was my name released to a virtual unknown, MH, but also my employer and specific EMAILS that describe in detail our privileged discussions to some stranger whom you believed was someone worthy of establishing credibility with bc he was a PM "vet" with connections.

One can only imagine how many other PM vets were told of my name or our conversations thru glib shop talk or otherwise.

wah wah waaaah... lmao... karma buddy

 

[Dr JIM]

CFS - you have no clue and makes shame of yourself repeatedly - If any test proves it's GH beyond any doubt it's the biological assay test which we conduct.

I explained the set of test we do, make yours pls

That's more BS Karl and just one of several tests you have mentioned as standard operating procedure, but have yet to post any evidence it's ever conducted.

Furthermore bio assays provide essentially NO data on purity K!

 

[dnml]

I'm a little confused here, just read back this past page. So doc Jim did the test, but while he had the GH in possession did not perform all necessary tests to prove it was GH? And then emailed mands and told of the results of there tests that were performed? Or was there something else in the email that was left out?
Why is doc Jim so adement about Karl doing these tests? Sorry about my confusion, I think I'm just a little lost. If im a the only one, then your more than welcome to just tell me via PM man. I don't wanna waste people's time, or I'll pick it up later.

Jim has been hiding his involvement this whole time. HE was the tester.

The other details you asked about would take a while to explain; and while they're important, my issue is simply the above.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm a little confused here, just read back this past page. So doc Jim did the test, but while he had the GH in possession did not perform all necessary tests to prove it was GH? And then emailed mands and told of the results of there tests that were performed? Or was there something else in the email that was left out?
Why is doc Jim so adement about Karl doing these tests?

The tests were done in sequence one after another. Why bc often times the first test negates the importance of subsequent analyses.

After MANDS had released the current set which is posted, Karl finally released his "evidence".

However what became apparent shortly thereafter is K analyses of "his GH" did NOT support his comments.

That he was manufacturing GH!
Bc GH is a large and very complex protein to produce periodic steps along the way are MANDATORY to ensure what your producing is indeed the forerunner of GH.

Well to not have any tests that support your making GH is a clear and unequivocal indication you ARE NOT.

At that point I declined to release any additional testing concerned K would use those tests, to further support the quality of HIS GH!

Why bc I believe it was wrong for me to supply data in support of Ks GH until he provided evidence he was actually making it.

Look to date the ONLY EVIDENCE KARL has posted is NOT Karl's at all! Indeed the only data K has that supports he ever even once possessed GH was mailed to MANDS "from Karl" which I later tested.

So yea there is no doubt in my mind K would have had MANDS existing data posted on every forum supporting the quality of "his GH" in addition to any other tests (including those I've not posted) which support it's quality.

Doing this enables K to deflect and detract those inquiring minds who ask the question hey K why haven't you ever PERFORMED THESE TESTS on a GH PRODUCT THAT YOU ARE MAKING?

Oh I'm sorry he did post a few tests on his "GH" and they all failed scrutiny for being CW GH. Heck even K and his "Prof"
now admit this fact.


Crap he used a narrative HPLC result and several "bloods" obtained from anonymous sources as support for his GH.

It's subterfuge at it's best, and I won't be a part of it!

 

[biggerben69]

I'm going to let these men hash it out in regards to testing and the integrity of the testers and all that and I'm gonna watch and see how Karl and this wall of deflection he thinks he has.
If any of you guys want to try and get an idea of the amount of money given up to shady sources over the last 8 or so years go to promuscle and dig in.
This is where karl hatched his plan and used all the info and all do his best to have reasonable answers to what has been and what will be brought up.
He demands 100% solid scientific proof while he says the doctors and chemists that work for him can produce enough something to be able to hopefully for him and all the money he wants to make keep the cash coming in.
Believe me. Karl knows how many kits of this stuff and for how long he needs to be pushing these things to be where he wants to be. Karl comes across as fairly confident but I assure you that the pep tall he gives his peole each morning is for him and for his ego and purse. He's a long way from home with these things and he knows it.
I say it from time to time when the guys that are at odds here take the gloves off and dig into each other. I say that I appreciate them all and that they all know the subject and the points they argue over.
Me, I caught a quick glimpse of the karl I know and can relate with when he was standing next to one of his hired guns playing the part as he was paid to do.
His guy seemed to neutralize the claim by an opponent and did so with an answer that couldn't be proven 100% by either side. Perfect. Karl saw his opening and took it. It was as if I could see karl lean into the ears of people and away from the eyes and ears of the brainiacs to score a point with the people.
He made the comment about his big shot Dr. being upset if he thought his work was being thrown around by guys like and for us and not the sick folks karl has led him to believe. It's kind of sleazy thing to do but he has our back and is working for us. Kind of neat, isn't it.
Karl has already refunded kits for reasons seros have not and will not be discussed anywhere. Careful there. Getting s guy hid cash back to quickly will look like an attempt to quickly silence and move the customer along. My money says this thing doesn;t take off as other products have at pro m. Karl is about his money and will fight for it.
I believe karl got too greedy at the wrong time. I say this isn't the one to retire on. Nope.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Check the title of the thread, dummy. It's Western-BioTech, not Karius.

In addition to issuing threats, there's another reason you can get banned from Meso - spamming. And that's what you're doing right now. Keep it up and we'll finally be able to get rid of you just like PC was finally able to get rid of that nasty case of crabs he caught from that ladyboy in Bangkok.

BTW, nice copy and paste.

You want to give this guy a hard time for his testing results, yet you dicks have done nothing to prove him wrong. Just run your mouths.. Take him up on his offer, Mands proved his HGH was legit.
And who is spamming? I just quoted the good old dr jims post. He wants to post up all his nonsense of everyone elses testing labs and procedures, yet fails to post up his labs credentials.
As for a copy/paste, I learn from the best..You! So, take that as a compliment. You wont get another from me.. Have a great week..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

So, now the truth comes out.. Dr jim is the HGH tester. Funny after all these months, you mysteriously have access to HPLC and Mass Spec testing.. LMFAO!

dr jims tests have proved absolutely nothing.. and he was hiding the fact, that he did the actual testing. You fucking schill. You have some fucking nerve. Guess this proves you are nothing but a fucking LIAR & a joke of a doctor, if you even are one..

 

[flenser]

Jim has been hiding his involvement this whole time. HE was the tester.

The other details you asked about would take a while to explain; and while they're important, my issue is simply the above.

I honestly thought most people already knew who did the tests. I didn't see what was posted on PM, but was told in private it said where the tests were performed. Didn't leave much to the imagination. The fact this kind of information gets out as often as it does is the reason most labs won't test for us IMO.

In my world an NDA has to be signed before any material or data is ever exchanged. And violating that NDA carries real risk of serious consequences to both parties. The labs and testers don't have that coverage. The risk and consequences are mostly theirs alone, never their customers. If it was me doing the tests, I would be pissed that information was posted.

 

[biggerben69]

You want to give this guy a hard time for his testing results, yet you dicks have done nothing to prove him wrong. Just run your mouths.. Take him up on his offer, Mands proved his HGH was legit.
And who is spamming? I just quoted the good old dr jims post. He wants to post up all his nonsense of everyone elses testing labs and procedures, yet fails to post up his labs credentials.
As for a copy/paste, I learn from the best..You! So, take that as a compliment. You wont get another from me.. Have a great week..

IM, the silent treatment if we were on the same block isn't an issue. Stepping up while my post is still echos is a question, statement, or a set up. Are you gonna be funny and post how I wasn't as much as a consideration this morning?
I'll reserve the bandwidth for you by pushing a little bit more.....wtf is your issue with me? The one that i've been told has to do with my not being worthy of something?

 

[mands]

I honestly thought most people already knew who did the tests. I didn't see what was posted on PM, but was told in private it said where the tests were performed. Didn't leave much to the imagination. The fact this kind of information gets out as often as it does is the reason most labs won't test for us IMO.

In my world an NDA has to be signed before any material or data is ever exchanged. And violating that NDA carries real risk of serious consequences to both parties. The labs and testers don't have that coverage. The risk and consequences are mostly theirs alone, never their customers. If it was me doing the tests, I would be pissed that information was posted.

I did not post DrJIM's name anywhere on an open forum. I mentioned to Muscle96ss back in the beginning of August that I was getting help from DrJIM on the matter. I did not mention this to anyone else after the fact or post it anywhere. I told him I would not be mentioned as he didn't want the security risk. He did say he would post later he was involved if he needed to do so. I told him I didn't think it would matter or was a good idea for security reasons and thinking this would be the result(him hiding something from the community). He has always been honest with me and I with him. Him doing the tests can put himself at risk and I don't think it needed to be addressed for that reason.

@Dr JIM you know I did not mention your name to anyone but Muscle96ss and never on PM. I did this testing for one reason. To see if Karl was supplying good GH. That is the only reason. I don't benefit from it at all.

This has becoming a circus as usual.

mands

 

[flenser]

@mands I didn't mean that to sound like an accusation. Sorry it came out like that. I did know Jim was the tester, and assumed (without reading it) it came from what was posted on PM.