Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[mands]

Mands, none of that matters, while you may be above reproach here and PM, people need and want to know a guy with standing can be trusted , absolute, no if's and's or but's. You never take personal info or trusted info of that nature and go public. Even with a enemy, you should know this

Again how did I go fucking public GM how tell me?

mands

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Elaborate, no he wouldn't (but I already have) bc some things said in private should remain that way!

Hmm some "shady stuff", that's like the cat calling the kettle black, LMAO!

Your a damn self serving shill MH!

Well, well, well.. Looks like dr jim has himself a situation. Wont be long now till your fully exposed. You think you're a slick mother fucker.. You going to post up this labs credentials so they can be verified? Probably not..
You guys praise this forum as being the best uncensored forum on the net, yet you guys do shady shit just like everyone else.. I find your actions laughable, and completely biased, and I hope you get in some serious trouble for doing them. Im hoping your stupid ass loses his medical license.. Performing illegal tests at a university? LOL..

I did not post DrJIM's name anywhere on an open forum. I mentioned to Muscle96ss back in the beginning of August that I was getting help from DrJIM on the matter. I did not mention this to anyone else after the fact or post it anywhere. I told him I would not be mentioned as he didn't want the security risk. He did say he would post later he was involved if he needed to do so. I told him I didn't think it would matter or was a good idea for security reasons and thinking this would be the result(him hiding something from the community). He has always been honest with me and I with him. Him doing the tests can put himself at risk and I don't think it needed to be addressed for that reason.

@Dr JIM you know I did not mention your name to anyone but Muscle96ss and never on PM. I did this testing for one reason. To see if Karl was supplying good GH. That is the only reason. I don't benefit from it at all.

This has becoming a circus as usual.

mands

I kinda put two and two together when we talked a few weeks ago. Then when I seen the dr jim thread about getting testing done, and him bashing every other guy that does testing, it all makes sense now. I couldnt prove it, thats why I didnt say anything. So glad muscle96ss said something..(Hand Clap) He(dr jim) wants so, so bad to be 'The Man' and get some respect finally, then it blows up in his face. Caught in his own web of deceit, lies, and shadiness. Go fuck yourself and your fake tests..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I am still amazed here that everybody is throwing accusations at mands, at me, and all over the place when Dr. Jim should be the one everything should be directed at. Just goes to show that corruption can happen on an uncensored forum as well.

I knew dr jim was full of shit when he claimed my HPLC tests that were done on 2 HGH samples, yet he couldnt prove my tests were fake. Just made a bunch of false accusations and wanted me to post up the original docs without the sensitive info(name of lab/dr/address/phone/etc) being blocked so he can verify it.. Fuck him! Never going to happen..EVER!

He just made this the first corrupted, uncensored forum on that net. You should be proud of yourself jimbo..

 

[alphastrength50]

Dr. Jim man why... just why man

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

GM I just wrote I told muscle96ss before Jim told me he didn't want his named involved for safety reasons. I replied to you over at TID as well.

Did you skip that part when I stated the above?

mands

If jim didnt want his name involved, maybe he shouldnt be doing illegal tests at a university. Only thing he cares about is being respected on a bodybuilding forum. His cover is blown, and he cant be trusted. He is nothing but a shady schill.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Dr. Jim man why... just why man

Looks like Im not really the bad guy anymore.. A big shout out to dr jimbo for making this all happen.. Couldnt have made a better name for myself.. LMFAO!

 

[mands]

If jim didnt want his name involved, maybe he shouldnt be doing illegal tests at a university. Only thing he cares about is being respected on a bodybuilding forum. His cover is blown, and he cant be trusted. He is nothing but a shady schill.

I wondering how him doing test for anyone to verify if a product actually what's stated is wrong?

mands

 

[ufcguy32]

Coming after mands and questioning his honesty isn't right. He kept his name out of this whole thread. He had all the cards to come out with and sat back and waited. Just bc he mentioned it prior to him knowing jim didn't want his name out there doesn't mean he is dishonest. He actually helped everyone here by doing this testing and I don't understand why out of all the people on here to Come after him.

 

[Millard]

Wow, this is unfucking believable; you are a complete idiot and assclown. You guys sit here and talk about how great this uncensored Meso is and slam other boards like AB and PM. Yet you have this little click who behind the scenes is hiding information in private and just as corrupt as the other censored boards you bash. In addition, this brings up a good point that IM touched upon. That is you have a group of people claiming Karius's stuff is bunk yet they haven't even got a mass spec in over 2 months supposedly because they can't find a lab; yet they have one in their own back pocket. This combined with the fact that nobody seems so concerned about what just happened here suggests some severe credibilty issues on the part of Meso. Whether its censored or uncensored there is still stuff going on behind the scenes that is driven by an agenda, plain and simple.

In spite of all the members on all sides of the debate who publicly and privately have asked me to intervene and tell people what to think, who/what to believe and start banning people, I'm not going to do that.

But since @muscle96ss questioned the integrity of MESO, I think it's appropriate for me to comment. I will address two specific accusations:

(1) MESO is "corrupt".

Do you really thinks MESO, by any stretch of the imagination, meets any such definition of corruption ie.: "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery"?

MESO is an open and uncensored forum that allows all sides to be presented; it allows the exercise of free speech by all participants; and allows all arguments to be openly and transparently evaluated.

Of course, where there is free speech, there will be a lot of perspectives and a lot of agendas vying for the attention of readers. But one thing that an uncensored forum makes more probable than any other format is the presentation of the truth.

(2) MESO has "credibility issues".

The suggestion that MESO lacks credibility due to unsubstantiated accusations that it is driven by some hidden agenda is ludicrous. There is only one principle that drives the discussion: It is the freedom from censorship. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise, please post it.

The truth, or an increasingly closer approximation of the truth, is an inevitable outcome of an uncensored discussion.

The current thread, no matter how ugly and unsanitized it may be, is only further proof of this. Once again, all sides are being represented, information keeps coming out, no one is being protected, and it is all right here on MESO for everyone to evaluate.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I knew dr jim was full of shit when he claimed my HPLC tests that were done on 2 HGH samples, yet he couldnt prove my tests were fake.

Your tests were NOT HPLC's and proved nothing about the purity of GH. You saying they did was deceptive.

Dr. Jim man why... just why man

Why what? What do you think the issue is here? Be specific.

If jim didnt want his name involved, maybe he shouldnt be doing illegal tests at a university. Only thing he cares about is being respected on a bodybuilding forum. His cover is blown, and he cant be trusted. He is nothing but a shady schill.

A shill for whom?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Your tests were NOT HPLC's and proved nothing about the purity of GH. You saying they did was deceptive.
?

Bull shit they werent. They cost $500/each. You nor dr him could prove otherwise. You ran your fucking mouths, calling them fake, and calling me a counterfeit hgh dealer. You guys want the labs info, which you will never get.
Keep backing dr jim. You're already looking more and more shady just like he is. Funny when the shoe is on the other foot. I guess gman and myself are looking pretty damn good at this point..

Oh, and I guess we will never get those ALP mass spec tests now will we? Dr jim was going to do them, but since this shit hit the fan.. Not going to happen, eh? LMFAO!

 

[graniteman]

Again how did I go fucking public GM how tell me?
How did Jim's name get broght out as providing the testing?

I am confused, Dr. Jim says that everybody already knew that he did the testing. Flenser states that it was assumed that Dr. Jim did the testing and thought that others new. Dr. Jim states that it was discussed privately; yet somehow you are pointing the finger at mands because Dr. Jim's cover is blown? Mands simply stated it to me a couple weeks before he even sent the items in. I don't think he thought it was a big deal as nobody expected was ensued to happen.

I haven't seen this can you quote it for me, I could be wrong but initially it was private convo between mands and jim?
For me private is private , not discussed with anyone else but the two? That's just me tho, you guys may be different

I am still amazed here that everybody is throwing accusations at mands, at me, and all over the place when Dr. Jim should be the one everything should be directed at. Just goes to show that corruption can happen on an uncensored forum as well.

Maybe I'm dense but I still don't see jim's wrong doing. He performed a test in confidentiality and was exposed.

Please elaborate for me? How can I not be trusted? His name was never mentioned to anyone but muscles96ss before I was told he didn't want his name involved. I could of easily brought it out on this thread when JIM was doing what he does but I did not as I promised him I wouldn't. That should show you right there I can be trusted. I could of used our emails against what he was saying to prove him wrong but I DID NOT.

mands

Correct me if I'm wrong but you and Jim had a confidential talk, not you ,jim and muscle? Just sounds to me as if you should have kept it that way. If he's lying about something it should be shared with a few top guys here seeing how there's no mods, confidentialy and let them decide? Otherwise it's just your word vs his ?

I'm still not seeing Jims wrong doing , I do see him refuting your claims of 99.5% purity No way to take a side on that if either of you doesn't produce evidence.

For the record I have no reason to not believ Jim about his cred's. I know many of my friends differ but that's fine for me. We all can't agree on everything

 

[graniteman]

Coming after mands and questioning his honesty isn't right. He kept his name out of this whole thread. He had all the cards to come out with and sat back and waited. Just bc he mentioned it prior to him knowing jim didn't want his name out there doesn't mean he is dishonest. He actually helped everyone here by doing this testing and I don't understand why out of all the people on here to Come after him.

?What cards did he come out with? I did NOT question his honesty. I questioned his ability to be trusted with private info, ie: KEEPING A SECRET?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

In spite of all the members on all sides of the debate who publicly and privately have asked me to intervene and tell people what to think, who/what to believe and start banning people, I'm not going to do that.

But since @muscle96ss questioned the integrity of MESO, I think it's appropriate for me to comment. I will address two specific accusations:

(1) MESO is "corrupt".

Do you really thinks MESO, by any stretch of the imagination, meets any such definition of corruption ie.: "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery"?

MESO is an open and uncensored forum that allows all sides to be presented; it allows the exercise of free speech by all participants; and allows all arguments to be openly and transparently evaluated.

Of course, where there is free speech, there will be a lot of perspectives and a lot of agendas vying for the attention of readers. But one thing that an uncensored forum makes more probable than any other format is the presentation of the truth.

(2) MESO has "credibility issues".

The suggestion that MESO lacks credibility due to unsubstantiated accusations that it is driven by some hidden agenda is ludicrous. There is only one principle that drives the discussion: It is the freedom from censorship. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise, please post it.

The truth, or an increasingly closer approximation of the truth, is an inevitable outcome of an uncensored discussion.

The current thread, no matter how ugly and unsanitized it may be, is only further proof of this. Once again, all sides are being represented, information keeps coming out, no one is being protected, and it is all right here on MESO for everyone to evaluate.

One thing is obvious, there is deception and shady members at every forum..censored or uncensored!

 

[ufcguy32]

I'm not saying he came out with them....I'm saying he has email that have conversations about Jim testing the gh. This whole time any information mands came out with about the testing and quality came from jim. Yet Jim in this thread has argued, disputed the tests as inconclusive bc "karl" didn't do them and that surely he's just using a pharmacy product and selling it as his own. Jim was asked to test them by karl or anyone but Jim didn't want to disclose he already had. I have no problem with that other than he led people into believing they were gonna "die " go into anaphylaxis shock all while knowing he had tested it and it came out good. He even at one point disputed it with mands on here. Do u not see a problem here? He knew and had all the info. And even made people question mands testing.....When he did the fucking tests#!!!! Mands knew the truth but didn't come out and call him out even though he had all the emails and correspondence to call his ass out.

 

[ufcguy32]

In short we got led on a 70 plus page witch hunt by someone who had access to all the information. And while I wish karl provided the tests himself at this point I don't think it would prove anything

 

[mands]

Again GM I never spoke about Jim to anyone after that fact he told didn't want to be involved. I then didn't mention it to anyone especially in the open forum.

Can you comprehend that at all? Christ almighty it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or something?

mands

 

[mands]

I'm not saying he came out with them....I'm saying he has email that have conversations about Jim testing the gh. This whole time any information mands came out with about the testing and quality came from jim. Yet Jim in this thread has argued, disputed the tests as inconclusive bc "karl" didn't do them and that surely he's just using a pharmacy product and selling it as his own. Jim was asked to test them by karl or anyone but Jim didn't want to disclose he already had. I have no problem with that other than he led people into believing they were gonna "die " go into anaphylaxis shock all while knowing he had tested it and it came out good. He even at one point disputed it with mands on here. Do u not see a problem here? He knew and had all the info. And even made people question mands testing.....When he did the fucking tests#!!!! Mands knew the truth but didn't come out and call him out even though he had all the emails and correspondence to call his ass out.

The members here that are halfway intelligent will see what I did and realize I did not say a fucking word and should actually be trusted after these 70 plus pages I kept Jim out of it knowing he already knew that good gh was tested. My only fault was not mentioning to Jim I already had a private conversation with muscle96ss 2 weeks prior.

mands

 

[ufcguy32]

I would hope so. The only thing that really should have been the objective was this. Is this gh? Is this gh pure? How pure? Great it is or shit that sucks it isn't. Funny how people got attacked in this whole mess got called reps, shills for Karl etc. The very guy who had this information led the witch hunt and he sat back and still did it. No question he is smart and has more access to tests than any if us do. So for that I do respect his position but what he did on this forum was wrong. Period

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I would hope so. The only thing that really should have been the objective was this. Is this gh? Is this gh pure? How pure? Great it is or shit that sucks it isn't. Funny how people got attacked in this whole mess got called reps, shills for Karl etc. The very guy who had this information led the witch hunt and he sat back and still did it. No question he is smart and has more access to tests than any if us do. So for that I do respect his position but what he did on this forum was wrong. Period

I can't remember anyone questioning the validity of mands tests.. At least on Meso anyway..

The argument never had anything to do with those tests..

What a lot of people don't believe is that Karl actually produced that GH and to this day he has yet to post a single shred of proof that he does except for stories about pouring millions of dollars into a GH facility..