Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[ufcguy32]

I agree with u there. At this point I'm not sure what if any tests he can or would do. There is still that question of where and how the product is made. Is it R&d? Who knows some of it we may never fully know

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I can't remember anyone questioning the validity of mands tests..

The argument never had anything to do with the tests.. What a lot of people don't believe is that Karl actually produced that GH and to this day he has yet to post a single shred of proof that he does except for stories about pouring millions of dollars into a GH facility..

Since the cat is out of the bag, was jimbo going to be doing your ALP mass spec tests, that we still dont have, and its going on close to 2 months now? Thanks!

 

[brutus79]

It his hilarious how convoluted issues get when everyone thinks they are right. I thought the issues were that-

Karl says he is manufacturing this hgh. Others do not believe this is so. He has none of the tests that would be available to him if he was... sounds like he isn't manufacturing.

Jim believes the sample mands gave him is not what is being sold- the tests karl produced of his "hgh" was not hgh... yet he keeps saying to reder to mands test- why doesn't he have tests of his end product available?

Mands is being called a snitch?!?!? Sounds to me like muscle26 was the one who opened his mouth to prove a point.

Meso is uncensored... apparently the fact that member integrity is in question translates to the ignorant that meso is corrupt... is it because censored and corrupt start with the same letter? Confusing to some perhaps?

 

[alphastrength50]

So in summary short. Dr. Jim provided testing for Mands that the GH proved to be 99.5% pure yet this whole time he was down talking Mands results and argued that the GH was in fact not real. Matter of fact is this, if karl didnt make the GH then he didnt, but the point is he provided GH that HAS BEEN TESTED. im not vouching to say he will continue to do so. Yes it is wrong if Karl provided GH that he never manufactured, but NO ONE knows if he did or not, ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THE GH HE PROVIDED THUS FAR FROM MANDS BATCH HAS A GOOD TEST RESULT

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The turn this thread has taken has been an eye opener. The biggest problem that will most certainly arise with any testing program has been clearly exposed in this thread: There is an IQ prerequisite when it comes to understanding analytical data. Even just discussing complex subjects such as this seems to be too much for most to comprehend. That fact, unfortunately, is not something that can be easily overcome by Meso or any other forum.

The amount of education required to enable members to comprehend mass specs, HPLCs and the complexities involved with testing, especially complex molecules like hGH, is so great, and will require such an ongoing effort, I no longer believe it's even viable. Alas, you can lead a dummy to education, but you can't make him think.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So in summary short. Dr. Jim provided testing for Mands that the GH proved to be 99.5% pure yet this whole time he was down talking Mands results and argued that the GH was in fact not real.

Wow. There is absolutely nothing I can say to that comment other than it's clear you haven't been reading or are unable to comprehend what you have read. SMFH.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

It his hilarious how convoluted issues get when everyone thinks they are right. I thought the issues were that-

Karl says he is manufacturing this hgh. Others do not believe this is so. He has none of the tests that would be available to him if he was... sounds like he isn't manufacturing.

Jim believes the sample mands gave him is not what is being sold- the tests karl produced of his "hgh" was not hgh... yet he keeps saying to reder to mands test- why doesn't he have tests of his end product available?

Mands is being called a snitch?!?!? Sounds to me like muscle26 was the one who opened his mouth to prove a point.

Meso is uncensored... apparently the fact that member integrity is in question translates to the ignorant that meso is corrupt... is it because censored and corrupt start with the same letter? Confusing to some perhaps?

I love the fact that someone else (dr jim) is in a world of shit right now, and being perceived as 'Shady'.. And now is in fear of his identity being exposed. Should have thought about that before doing illegal testing at the University..

Since JB hasnt answered my question yet(maybe he is busy with his sales career), maybe you can answer.. Was jimbo going to be doing your ALP Mass Spec tests, that we still dont have yet?
And yeah, since this whole thing came to light, dr jimbos credibility is for sure in question. I dont think anyone can trust him at this point. Maybe he will talk his way out like he always does..in circles!

 

[dnml]

While myself and Jim have our differences this kind of betrayal is total bullshit and for you to laugh about it is just as bad. You just don't post shit openly like that, friend or enemy. IMO what mands did IF true was pretty fucking low , someone who would do that is not trustworthy , period. Mands if you can't keep shit confidential how can anyone trust your word on anything. telling someone else even in pm is a violation of trust
This shit is out in the open now.

#1. Read mands post, he says he put nothing in pm and only mentioned it in conversation before Jim asked for his name to be kept confidential.

#2. How did flenser find out? Obviously not from mands or m96, so I presume Jim or one of his 'agents' chose to disclose. Obviously the confidentiality is not important until the results could make Jim look bad... When they make him look good, he wants the credit.

3. Trustworthy? EXACTLY. Jim is not, and is therefore not deserving of our trust or any special consideration reserved for those who will not abuse it.

4. Lastly, after all the bs you've brought here, how dare you try to weasel and worm your way into a legit conversation and act like you have something to contribute. You set yourself up as some moral authority to weigh in on "the right way to do things" here? If you don't think everyone sees thru your act, you're mistaken. It's extremely transparent.

You don't get to take a baseball bat to a car, then offer the guy a helpful wheel alignment after the fact, completely ignoring your initial actions, unless you're complete sociopath that is.

Hope this is the end of your "involvement" in this thread.

 

[dnml]

Mands, none of that matters, while you may be above reproach here and PM, people need and want to know a guy with standing can be trusted , absolute, no if's and's or but's. You never take personal info or trusted info of that nature and go public. Even with a enemy, you should know this

Gtfo... trusted? That coming out of your and your sidekicks mouth is a joke.

The only thing mands could have done differently to earn my trust more is blow Jim's cover sooner.

You seem to lack any kind of judgement skills. You want black and white "rules" that require no thought on your part.

Trustworthy treatment is reserved for the trustworthy. When someone is clearly taking advantage of said "rule" and manipulating it and using it against its intended purpose, mature, independently thinking adults respond. You might want to remember that.

And I like how your "above reproach" comment is a knock to mands but should be applied to Jim???

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I love the fact that someone else (dr jim) is in a world of shit right now, and being perceived as 'Shady'.. And now is in fear of his identity being exposed. Should have thought about that before doing illegal testing at the University..

Since JB hasnt answered my question yet(maybe he is busy with his sales career), maybe you can answer.. Was jimbo going to be doing your ALP Mass Spec tests, that we still dont have yet?
And yeah, since this whole thing came to light, dr jimbos credibility is for sure in question. I dont think anyone can trust him at this point. Maybe he will talk his way out like he always does..in circles!

Read the post I just wrote about an IQ prerequisite needed to comprehend this topic; it was written PRECISELY because of people like you.

I know you got the shitty end of the stick when it comes to brains but try to understand this: Just because you keep repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. No one here cares what you say about anything because you have NO credibility. You are a buffoon that is tolerated on other forums but no one takes you seriously. Kind of like a retarded kid that "works" sweeping up at a corner store. Everyone gives him a pat on the head and tell him he's doing a good job, but everyone knows the owner will have to sweep again.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Read the post I just wrote about an IQ prerequisite needed to comprehend this topic; it was written PRECISELY because of people like you.

I know you got the shitty end of the stick when it comes to brains but try to understand this: Just because you keep repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. No one here cares what you say about anything because you have NO credibility. You are a buffoon that is tolerated on other forums but no one takes you seriously. Kind of like a retarded kid that "works" sweeping up at a corner store. Everyone gives him a pat on the head and tell him he's doing a good job, but everyone knows the owner will have to sweep again.

You never had 'Credibility' to begin with. Nothing more then a fucking loud mouth. Still waiting for you to prove my HPLC tests were forgeries, a fraud, or even fake. Neither you nor jimbo can, because they are 100% authentic from a lab in the EU, that you will never have access too.

You want to compare IQs, name the testing place.. Tired of you running your pathetic little mouth. Just like you do in every thread.
By the way, someone sent me your xray pic of the so called brains in your head..Just as I expected..

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

#1. Read mands post, he says he put nothing in pm and only mentioned it in conversation before Jim asked for his name to be kept confidential.

If I sold you drugs via PM, would you share that info with others if I didn't tell you not to? Why would it be any different when it's a test of questionable legality?

To simplify it even further, would you divulge any PM without express consent, regardless of its content?

The answer to those questions should be obvious to ANYONE who respects the confidentiality of PMs.

#2. How did flenser find out? Obviously not from mands or m96, so I presume Jim or one of his 'agents' chose to disclose. Obviously the confidentiality is not important until the results could make Jim look bad... When they make him look good, he wants the credit.

Buy reading the information Mands posted on ProMuscle and putting two and two together. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out.

3. Trustworthy? EXACTLY. Jim is not, and is therefore not deserving of our trust or any special consideration reserved for those who will not abuse it.

Bullshit. If Jim wasn't trustworthy, he would have doctored the tests. Instead, he reported them accurately. If you are unable to understand that fact, you are completely hopeless.

4. Lastly, after all the bs you've brought here, how dare you try to weasel and worm your way into a legit conversation and act like you have something to contribute. You set yourself up as some moral authority to weigh in on "the right way to do things" here? If you don't think everyone sees thru your act, you're mistaken. It's extremely transparent.

You don't get to take a baseball bat to a car, then offer the guy a helpful wheel alignment after the fact, completely ignoring your initial actions, unless you're complete sociopath that is.

Hope this is the end of your "involvement" in this thread.

Yeah, you are hopeless. You are commenting on something you clearly don't comprehend and just adding confusion to this thread.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You never had 'Credibility' to begin with. Nothing more then a fucking loud mouth. Still waiting for you to prove my HPLC tests were forgeries, a fraud, or even fake. Neither you nor jimbo can, because they are 100% authentic from a lab in the EU, that you will never have access too.

Your HPLC's were mass specs, dummy!

You want to compare IQs, name the testing place..

Any time, any place, anywhere.

 

[mands]

Selling drugs and helping out with testing is a little different CBS. Come on man. Are you serious? I'm disappointed you would even try and compare the two.

If Jim wanted it to be a big secret why has he asked recently on this very forum to have send gh sent to him for testing and now post the place where he gets it tested? Doesn't sound like he's too concerned.

I didn't post any information on PM that would lead to Jim(no names or university names). CBS you only knew it was posted and that is was Jim because I'm sure he told you. So don't even go there.


mands

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

If Jim wanted it to be a big secret why has he asked recently on this very forum to have send gh sent to him for testing and now post the place where he gets it tested? Doesn't sound like he's too concerned.

Possibly, but IMO, releasing that info was his decision to make.

 

[alphastrength50]

lol CBS i definitely read the whole thread. also wasnt it the doc who gave the 99.5%?

 

[dnml]

If I sold you drugs via PM, would you share that info with others if I didn't tell you not to? Why would it be any different when it's a test of questionable legality?

To simplify it even further, would you divulge any PM without express consent, regardless of its content?

The answer to those questions should be obvious to ANYONE who respects the confidentiality of PMs.



Buy reading the information Mands posted on ProMuscle and putting two and two together. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out.



Bullshit. If Jim wasn't trustworthy, he would have doctored the tests. Instead, he reported them accurately. If you are unable to understand that fact, you are completely hopeless.




Yeah, you are hopeless. You are commenting on something you clearly don't comprehend and just adding confusion to this thread.

Wow YOU seem to really have a stake in this...

The only point you make worth my energy to respond to is re: Jims trustworthiness. How do you know he reported the tests accurately? How do you know he conducted them accurately? If he had "exculpatory evidence" based on his testing that he chose not to reveal after learning it was K's, is that not just as bad?

And if you think that didn't happen, you're even more clueless that the other points you make in your post suggest. Look CBS, I never had a problem with you and don't want one, but you're really starting to piss me off with your quasi - intellectual, overly analytical, OCD posts.

Jim pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and showed he cannot be trusted. If you don't have the stones to recognize that, then just tuck the string back into your bias and move along.

I don't care what side of the issue ppl are on, so long as they can be objective and work with the facts.

 

[dnml]

Possibly, but IMO, releasing that info was his decision to make.

Gimme a break, and I'm bringing confusion to the thread? Get out of the theoretical and into real life man.

 

[Dr JIM]

Whether its censored or uncensored there is still stuff going on behind the scenes that is driven by an agenda, plain and simple.

Yep shills like you prefer to scam others under the guise to advertising.

What's your take last year stoolie from PM?

 

[dnml]

In spite of all the members on all sides of the debate who publicly and privately have asked me to intervene and tell people what to think, who/what to believe and start banning people, I'm not going to do that.

But since @muscle96ss questioned the integrity of MESO, I think it's appropriate for me to comment. I will address two specific accusations:

(1) MESO is "corrupt".

Do you really thinks MESO, by any stretch of the imagination, meets any such definition of corruption ie.: "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery"?

MESO is an open and uncensored forum that allows all sides to be presented; it allows the exercise of free speech by all participants; and allows all arguments to be openly and transparently evaluated.

Of course, where there is free speech, there will be a lot of perspectives and a lot of agendas vying for the attention of readers. But one thing that an uncensored forum makes more probable than any other format is the presentation of the truth.

(2) MESO has "credibility issues".

The suggestion that MESO lacks credibility due to unsubstantiated accusations that it is driven by some hidden agenda is ludicrous. There is only one principle that drives the discussion: It is the freedom from censorship. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise, please post it.

The truth, or an increasingly closer approximation of the truth, is an inevitable outcome of an uncensored discussion.

The current thread, no matter how ugly and unsanitized it may be, is only further proof of this. Once again, all sides are being represented, information keeps coming out, no one is being protected, and it is all right here on MESO for everyone to evaluate.

I couldn't agree more with your last two paragraphs- great points. It was painful & ugly, but it worked.

But re: your corruption point... "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery"... I never said and don't believe this applies to Meso, but it absolutely applies to Jim. (His "power" being the level of influence he wields by holding himself out as a med professional and doctor, and his knowledge of at least some of these testing issues).

At what point is it self defeating for meso to provide a forum for him to run amuck like a drunken monkey crapping all over the place?

In any case, thank you for what you provide for us here.