Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[dnml]

The circular reasoning is yours and yours alone. I've said nothing about what might have occurred if the results had been unfavorable to Karl. That's all you. My comments speak for themselves.




What is it that you think he did? He tested the GH and provided Mands with the results. End of story.



Who said the test was erroneous? No one is disputing that except you.




Jim probably has an agenda to discredit Karl *now* because Karl hasn't been able to provide ANY evidence that he is producing GH. I have the same agenda. The evidence in this thread clearly demonstrates that Karl is being deceitful. You getting hung up on some meaningless nonsense about who conducted the test is just creating a distraction and Karl is the beneficiary - that's why he's been silent all day.

Oh baboo.... smh. What about Jim being deceitful?

You're on the losing end of this one cbs, and it's coming thru loud and clear in your posts.

Time to put on the sweat pants, break out the Hungry Man dinner and watch Matlock with a glazed over stare.

 

[Galileo]

As someone who is merely on the sideline spectating this debate, and who doesn't know anyone in this thread and who has no stake in the politics, I have a question. Obviously money makes people act in certain ways. Benjamins can corrupt people. That's a given.

The person(s ) claiming to sell GH would obviously profit from sales. But.... if I am understanding this correctly, there is no money in it for Jim to not act with integrity in this manner. So, what would be his motive? Why would Dr. Jim sabotage these GH selling efforts? What's the motive, the point? Why would someone who knows so much about this stuff academically go out of his way to sabotage others legitimate GH selling efforts, IF they are in fact legitimate?

 

[dnml]

As someone who is merely on the sideline spectating this debate, and who doesn't know anyone in this thread and who has no stake in the politics, I have a question. Obviously money makes people act in certain ways. Benjamins can corrupt people. That's a given.

The person(s ) claiming to sell GH would obviously profit from sales. But.... if I am understanding this correctly, there is no money in it for Jim to not act with integrity in this manner. So, what would be his motive? Why would Dr. Jim sabotage these GH selling efforts? What's the motive, the point? Why would someone who knows so much about this stuff academically go out of his way to sabotage others legitimate GH selling efforts, IF they are in fact legitimate?

Great logical questions... Under most circumstances. But you're giving Jim too much credit; in this case it's like asking why monkeys throw their shit.

 

[muscle96ss]

As someone who is merely on the sideline spectating this debate, and who doesn't know anyone in this thread and who has no stake in the politics, I have a question. Obviously money makes people act in certain ways. Benjamins can corrupt people. That's a given.

The person(s ) claiming to sell GH would obviously profit from sales. But.... if I am understanding this correctly, there is no money in it for Jim to not act with integrity in this manner. So, what would be his motive? Why would Dr. Jim sabotage these GH selling efforts? What's the motive, the point? Why would someone who knows so much about this stuff academically go out of his way to sabotage others legitimate GH selling efforts, IF they are in fact legitimate?

Real simple, its personal, Dr. Jim doesn't like Karl. He also thinks he is smarter and above everyone else, so he is just playing games to stroke his ego. Why else would he perform the tests, states that the GH is of high quality, and then without telling anybody he performed the tests, he goes on and on challenging the very tests that he performed. That just does not make logical sense for a normal human being to do.

 

[Marcus]

@dnml That doesn't answer his question man... People say that dr him will profit from the tests that he provides and that by discrediting these test from behind the scenes, he has an agenda. However, the money to be made with something like this, seems minuscule.
He also thinks or knows, like most of us, that Karl does not "produce" this GH so he is using his personal knowledge to prove that aspect of the argument. Which Karl has honestly epically failed, I think we can all agree on and move past.

 

[Dr JIM]

ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THE GH HE PROVIDED THUS FAR FROM MANDS BATCH HAS A GOOD TEST RESULT

Perhaps you should ask BODY BUILDER if he agrees with that statement?

Three people have now contacted me about this unusual reaction and two have agreed to have THEIR product analyzed!

Something is different between legit GH and this "GH" and there is much more to it than "one good test result from ONE SAMPLE!"

 

[muscle96ss]

Perhaps you should ask BODY BUILDER if he agrees with that statement?

Three people have now contacted me about this unusual reaction and two have agreed to have THEIR product analyzed!

Something is different between legit GH and this "GH" and there is much more to it than "one good test result from ONE SAMPLE"!

So what is it doc? You had the GH, why didn't you analyze it further?

 

[dnml]

@dnml That doesn't answer his question man... People say that dr him will profit from the tests that he provides and that by discrediting these test from behind the scenes, he has an agenda. However, the money to be made with something like this, seems minuscule.
He also thinks or knows, like most of us, that Karl does not "produce" this GH so he is using his personal knowledge to prove that aspect of the argument. Which Karl has honestly epically failed, I think we can all agree on and move past.

Well you answered your own question. You say, "What does Jim stand to profit?" And, "There is little money to be made."

Exactly. So what is the payoff for him? Seeking the truth via deceit? Doesn't hold up. Looking out for other members while confusing them with bs and muddying the water? Nope.

Fighting his own personal crusade, in order to win arguments and stroke his ego and gain some relevance and influence with ppl online, as it is sorely lacking in his personal and professional life? Bingo.

I truly believe the guy is borderline certifiable. If you haven't read the whole thread, you should. It's truly incredible and say what you will about my treatment of him, but I was the first to call him out, and the ppl he has now turned on initially went to bat for him! I thought maybe I was being too harsh and honestly gave him the benefit of the doubt & backed off for as long as I could, until I couldn't take it anymore, and began calling him out on all his bullshit again. And now here we are, the guy has shown his true colors. He can't be trusted bottom line.

 

[dnml]

@Marcus: or maybe I stand corrected and the few dollars there is to be made are enough for a quack who had been sued for malpractice so often that he cannot obtain insurance to practice:

Three people have now contacted me about this unusual reaction and two have agreed to have THEIR product analyzed!

Something is different between legit GH and this "GH" and there is much more to it than "one good test result from ONE SAMPLE!"

Sounds like someone closed a couple sales and is looking for more!

 

[Dr JIM]

You sir are full of shit. You have now proved it on MESO and everywhere else. I have believed in you, backed you and supported you since day one on MESO.

I did not post your lab on PM Jesus Christ. I had a mod delete a post that mentioned I was having it tested at US university. And it was taken down because you were paranoid about your affiliation.

I told muscle96ss before you told me you didn't want to be involved. I didn't show him emails? I had a conversation with him over PM on MESO two weeks before you did the test. Hell if you could control your ego I could of just told him I went another route to protect you. I'm glad I didn't now.

I'm not trying to sell anything here or gain any kind of compensation from anyone. Are you? What was your agenda by questioning Karl so hard when you knew the sample I sent to you was from him and a anonymous buy and was legit GH? Are you pushing your lab for testing? I guarantee that will never happen on MESO now. That gig is up.

Don't turn this shit around on me. I didn't say your name ever in public and after you told me not to do so I never mentioned it again. You basically called yourself out because your arrogance.

Good luck! I guess I finally see what everyone else sees in you. Truly disappointing.

mands

Oh right so posting the lab results on Meso or the testing labs credibility on PM was not done to aid Karl sell product, lol.

That's absolute bullshit MANDS and damn near every member on Meso saw right thru your intentions.

You used me MANDS admit it!
Did you ever think about asking K if he had any labs conducted on this GH HIMSELF? Not!

Would that have really mattered to you?

But whom else would have done these tests Karl? Well we already know of his bogus results!

Finally I suppose u were able to justify showing your friend MH our PMs and or Emails since I had offered a similar service in another venue?

Since when does that negate your responsibility to me or anyone else who would have made a similar request!

Damn your loyalist and integrity are unfounded MANDS, they stretch as far as the almighty dollar.

Disappointed yea you have no idea.

 

[Marcus]

Well you answered your own question. You say, "What does Jim stand to profit?" And, "There is little money to be made."

Exactly. So what is the payoff for him? Seeking the truth via deceit? Doesn't hold up. Looking out for other members while confusing them with bs and muddying the water? Nope.

Fighting his own personal crusade, in order to win arguments and stroke his ego and gain some relevance and influence with ppl online, as it is sorely lacking in his personal and professional life? Bingo.

I truly believe the guy is borderline certifiable. If you haven't read the whole thread, you should. It's truly incredible and say what you will about my treatment of him, but I was the first to call him out, and the ppl he has now turned on initially went to bat for him! I thought maybe I was being too harsh and honestly gave him the benefit of the doubt & backed off for as long as I could, until I couldn't take it anymore, and began calling him out on all his bullshit again. And now here we are, the guy has shown his true colors. He can't be trusted bottom line.

You can treat him however you choose to treat him, I was simply saying... You were answering @Galileo question with a jab at Jim and not a real helping answer for him. At least that's what I meant.

I do understand where your coming from though, it seems ridiculous that someone would do something like this for their ego, but hey... Crazier shit has been done. I do think it was wrong in every way to call out @mands as means to save face. He has been upfront since the beginning as it appears

 

[Marcus]

Oh right so posting the lab results on Meso or the testing labs credibility on PM was not done to aid Karl sell product, lol.

That's absolute bullshit MANDS and damn near every member on Meso saw right thru your intentions.

You used me MANDS admit it!
Did you ever think about asking K if he had any labs conducted on this GH HIMSELF? Not!

Would that have really mattered to you?

But whom else would have done these tests Karl? Well we already know of his bogus results!

Finally I suppose u were able to justify showing your friend MH our PMs and or Emails since I had offered a similar service in another venue?

Since when does that negate your responsibility to me or anyone else who would have made a similar request!

Damn your loyalist and integrity are unfounded MANDS, they stretch as far as the almighty dollar.

Disappointed yea you have no idea.

Maybe mands thought the tests would've been more credible via an anonymous order carried out at a lab of his choosing with a person whom he trusted. Or maybe he just didn't think that far ahead doc

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I never said they were fake, I said they didn't prove what you said they did. I know it's hard but try to keep up, IM.





Cambridge Massachusetts. I'll forward you the name of a licensed psychologist who will be conducting the test. You will be responsible for contacting the psychologist and making arrangements for YOUR test. You will also be responsible for the costs of YOUR test.

What? You didn't think I was going to accept some bullshit internet IQ test, did you? LMFAO

My test results are already on file so you will be the only one taking the test. When your test is complete, we will compare results.

Unfortunately for you, I already know what the result is going to be. Anyone who begins a question with the word 'why' and ends with the word 'for,' or, anyone who believes calling someone a 'fag' is being 'racist,' isn't very bright. Regardless, this will provide me another opportunity to humiliate you and I welcome it.

My HGH tests proved exactly what they said they did. Only reason dr jim was questioning them and calling them fake, is because he wanted to know the lab I used in the EU. He wanted the original PDF file, which I was more then happy to post up, just the sensitive info was going to be blacked out. Once I did that, the tests were deemed invalid/fake/etc.

Oh I see, we are going to use 'Your' licensed psychologist, and your results just happen to be on file? LOL..
And how do I or anyone else know that it was actually you that did this IQ test, and not your brother, friend, or someone else? You have no credibility here, or anywhere for that matter, and you are looking more and more foolish since you are supporting dr jim and his shady HGH tests.
And what is going to be your excuse when I test higher? I didnt actually take the test, or someone else did? LOL..
You and dr jim yearn for respect here that you will never get, not after this mess. Will be a pleasure watching you guys try to weasel your way out of this one..

 

[dnml]

You can treat him however you choose to treat him, I was simply saying... You were answering @Galileo question with a jab at Jim and not a real helping answer for him. At least that's what I meant.

I do understand where your coming from though, it seems ridiculous that someone would do something like this for their ego, but hey... Crazier shit has been done. I do think it was wrong in every way to call out @mands as means to save face. He has been upfront since the beginning as it appears

Yeah maybe my answer was a little too nuanced... But I truly meant who can know the motivations of crazy person.

Jim throwing mands under the bus like that even surprised me though. What a completely desperate, dickhead move. But again, who knows what's going on in his head??

 

[Dr JIM]

CBS - you have mentioned this a couple of times where you have stated that Jim did not dispute the results of mands test. This is inacurrate, please re-read as I actually had a pretty long argument with Jim a couple of weeks ago where he was denying that mands tests showed that what was tested was actually GH. Jim put doubts in everyones minds when he was the one that did the testing and knew the results. Its shit like this that is completely unacceptable and the reason I finally had enough and came forward but not before firing a warning shot Dr. Jims way.

Damn MH if that was your "warning shot" how many friends would you need to betray for the "death blow", LMAO!

Hey are you called a "friend" when not present, NO WAY!

 

[muscle96ss]

Oh right so posting the lab results on Meso or the testing labs credibility on PM was not done to aid Karl sell product, lol.

That's absolute bullshit MANDS and damn near every member on Meso saw right thru your intentions.

You used me MANDS admit it!
Did you ever think about asking K if he had any labs conducted on this GH HIMSELF? Not!

Would that have really mattered to you?

But whom else would have done these tests Karl? Well we already know of his bogus results!

Finally I suppose u were able to justify showing your friend MH our PMs and or Emails since I had offered a similar service in another venue?

Since when does that negate your responsibility to me or anyone else who would have made a similar request!

Damn your loyalist and integrity are unfounded MANDS, they stretch as far as the almighty dollar.

Disappointed yea you have no idea.

Jim you are delusional. Nobody used you, nobody shared e-mails, nobody shared PM's. All that happened was that mands wanted to have the GH tested as everyone was curious if it would live up to Karls claims. Thats it, nothing more, nothing less. Originally, when he first contacted me, mands simply stated that he had a friend Dr. Jim that would be doing the testing in a couple of weeks. You can keep on making little distractions to blurr everyones vision on what the real issue here it, but blamin mands is not going to get you very far.

 

[mands]

Yuuup! I defended this asshole for years and this is what he does. I even defended him with @dnml via PM I do believe.

Funny thing Jim knows what I have done for him and then decides to shit on me. It's actually pretty pathetic.

Jim you have lost a friend in this community and ruined any reputation you might have had.

And Jim I told you what I was going to do with the test Jesus. Are you serious? If they were bad I would have posted them the same. No matter the outcome.

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

Damn MH if that was your "warning shot" how many friends would you need to betray for the "death blow", LMAO!

Hey are you called a "friend" when not present, NO WAY!

The only betrayal here that I see is you attacking mands to try to keep the heat off of you.

 

[Dr JIM]

, I am at the point where I trust Karl a hell of a lot more than I trust Dr. Jim based on actions alone. It was actually the other way around when this thread first started.

Golly gee Elmer you mean MH doesn't believe Dr Jim any more?

Yep he did a complete 180 and now believes K!

LMAO

 

[Dr JIM]

The only betrayal here that I see is you attacking mands to try to keep the heat off of you.

Why of course YOU would see it that way bc YOU just fucked another friend.

No matter there is more where that one came from