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Yeah maybe my answer was a little too nuanced... But I truly meant who can know the motivations of crazy person.

Jim throwing mands under the bus like that even surprised me though. What a completely desperate, dickhead move. But again, who knows what's going on in his head??
It was muscle who opened his mouth that jim had the testing done, but I know if I engaged in illegal activity with someone and paid for their services that put them at risk I would sincerely hope I did not need to fucking tell them to be quiet about it.

You strutting around saying "I was right first" and "I knew it" is ALMOST as pathetic as some of the other douchebags that publicy shower themselves with adulation when they think they have proven a point or won an argument in this thread. Im is slinging mud that he has been holding for months since jim attacked him. You have some points, but you are grossly overstating the importance of your findings and how helpful these conclusions are to this thread. We get it- you are wicked smart and must have esp with the clarity with which you saw through Jim's master plan so much earlier than everyone else.

Mands was the original info leak- he told muscle about it and posted incriminating test results on promuscle. Muscle gave the info to the public on a silver platter. Both moves are pretty fucked up in this venue of shared anonymity... but it is what it is when you choose to trust people- nobody to blame but yourself dr jim. Them are the breaks.

What I can't understand is the point being missed that the only passing test was the one sample mands sent to jim. That is the only test displaying gh- every other test has failed mass spec wise- all from the Fucking Manufacturer!

Jim tried to play babe in the woods when he attacked his own results, but his were all valid points. He didn't lie... he just didn't tell his involvement. Its like being at the funeral of someone you killed. Best to say sorry and move on, but he decided to stop at the family next to the casket and tell them why the victim was a piece of shit. I would rather do that to affect my credibility as opposed to having a big mouth- being outed as someone who gets angry and lets personal info slide out in the open to win a fucking argument.
 
As someone who is merely on the sideline spectating this debate, and who doesn't know anyone in this thread and who has no stake in the politics, I have a question. Obviously money makes people act in certain ways. Benjamins can corrupt people. That's a given.

The person(s ) claiming to sell GH would obviously profit from sales. But.... if I am understanding this correctly, there is no money in it for Jim to not act with integrity in this manner. So, what would be his motive? Why would Dr. Jim sabotage these GH selling efforts? What's the motive, the point? Why would someone who knows so much about this stuff academically go out of his way to sabotage others legitimate GH selling efforts, IF they are in fact legitimate?

Jim doesnt care about money. He wants respect in the bodybuilding community, from meso, members etc. He was run off TID, and he is about to be run off here. He wants to be the underground savior, for providing steroid/HGH testing, which is now proven to be shady. He put himself and members here at risk. Not to mention the individual(s) at this university doing the testing. All for what?
 
@dnml That doesn't answer his question man... People say that dr him will profit from the tests that he provides and that by discrediting these test from behind the scenes, he has an agenda. However, the money to be made with something like this, seems minuscule.
He also thinks or knows, like most of us, that Karl does not "produce" this GH so he is using his personal knowledge to prove that aspect of the argument. Which Karl has honestly epically failed, I think we can all agree on and move past.

Money! What money I've not collected one cent for ANY lab test I've ever performed.

But MH would have some believe I've some hidden monetary agenda and he has proof to the contrary, NOT!

(Guaranteed he will not provide ANY evidence to support his specious nefarious theories about my motives)

But that's the classic projection of shill-dom. See they only aid others for money (in this case K)
and actually believe that must be everyone's motive.

Shit MH charges to help the blind crippled lady cross the street, right plant?
 
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Oh baboo.... smh. What about Jim being deceitful?


You failed to answer my question - where is the deceit? Be specific.

Unless you can answer that question, I might as well put on the sweat pants, break out the Hungry Man dinner and watch Matlock with a glazed over stare because it would be a better use of my time than engaging in this silly back-and-forth.
 
LMFAO!!

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It was muscle who opened his mouth that jim had the testing done, but I know if I engaged in illegal activity with someone and paid for their services that put them at risk I would sincerely hope I did not need to fucking tell them to be quiet about it.

You strutting around saying "I was right first" and "I knew it" is ALMOST as pathetic as some of the other douchebags that publicy shower themselves with adulation when they think they have proven a point or won an argument in this thread. Im is slinging mud that he has been holding for months since jim attacked him. You have some points, but you are grossly overstating the importance of your findings and how helpful these conclusions are to this thread. We get it- you are wicked smart and must have esp with the clarity with which you saw through Jim's master plan so much earlier than everyone else.

Mands was the original info leak- he told muscle about it and posted incriminating test results on promuscle. Muscle gave the info to the public on a silver platter. Both moves are pretty fucked up in this venue of shared anonymity... but it is what it is when you choose to trust people- nobody to blame but yourself dr jim. Them are the breaks.

What I can't understand is the point being missed that the only passing test was the one sample mands sent to jim. That is the only test displaying gh- every other test has failed mass spec wise- all from the Fucking Manufacturer!

Jim tried to play babe in the woods when he attacked his own results, but his were all valid points. He didn't lie... he just didn't tell his involvement. Its like being at the funeral of someone you killed. Best to say sorry and move on, but he decided to stop at the family next to the casket and tell them why the victim was a piece of shit. I would rather do that to affect my credibility as opposed to having a big mouth- being outed as someone who gets angry and lets personal info slide out in the open to win a fucking argument.
Hey I clearly stated in this thread that I told muscle in PM about a friend helping me out. Brutus we all talk about illegal shit all day long on this forum and others so I don't think your point is relevant. I don't deny telling muscle that. And after Jim didn't want to be involved I never mentioned again. I also never posted any evidence that would lead to Jim on PM.

I agree with all other aspects of your post.

mands
 
It was muscle who opened his mouth that jim had the testing done, but I know if I engaged in illegal activity with someone and paid for their services that put them at risk I would sincerely hope I did not need to fucking tell them to be quiet about it.

You strutting around saying "I was right first" and "I knew it" is ALMOST as pathetic as some of the other douchebags that publicy shower themselves with adulation when they think they have proven a point or won an argument in this thread. Im is slinging mud that he has been holding for months since jim attacked him. You have some points, but you are grossly overstating the importance of your findings and how helpful these conclusions are to this thread. We get it- you are wicked smart and must have esp with the clarity with which you saw through Jim's master plan so much earlier than everyone else.

Mands was the original info leak- he told muscle about it and posted incriminating test results on promuscle. Muscle gave the info to the public on a silver platter. Both moves are pretty fucked up in this venue of shared anonymity... but it is what it is when you choose to trust people- nobody to blame but yourself dr jim. Them are the breaks.

What I can't understand is the point being missed that the only passing test was the one sample mands sent to jim. That is the only test displaying gh- every other test has failed mass spec wise- all from the Fucking Manufacturer!

Jim tried to play babe in the woods when he attacked his own results, but his were all valid points. He didn't lie... he just didn't tell his involvement. Its like being at the funeral of someone you killed. Best to say sorry and move on, but he decided to stop at the family next to the casket and tell them why the victim was a piece of shit. I would rather do that to affect my credibility as opposed to having a big mouth- being outed as someone who gets angry and lets personal info slide out in the open to win a fucking argument.

Much as we have been at it, you and CBS are on point, muscle is the one that opened his mouth publicly but that doesn't give mands a free ride for talking either. Jim trusted the guy with sensitive info and I don't care if it was a month, 2 months before or after, we both know people that talk, do just that , talk. At least he should apologize to Jim for putting his personal info in danger. Like a guy or not. the guy is a dick or not, you don't do shit like that.
 
Yuuup! I defended this asshole for years and this is what he does. I even defended him with @dnml via PM I do believe.

Funny thing Jim knows what I have done for him and then decides to shit on me. It's actually pretty pathetic.

Jim you have lost a friend in this community and ruined any reputation you might have had.

And Jim I told you what I was going to do with the test Jesus. Are you serious? If they were bad I would have posted them the same. No matter the outcome.

mands

When did I ever ask for your "protection" MANDS, never! So what ever you did you did of your our accord, period.

OH please again MANDS you only said you would post them on Meso, and the fact is I "encouraged it", but you damn sure never mentioned your intent to use them as a aid to sell Ks GH on PM and MESO.

Bc that's something I would have never agreed to, UNLESS perhaps K also had lab info that corroborated the tests I had conducted.

But the fact is K didn't have shit!
He used you and you needed me to fulfill his early retirement dreams.

And that I will not be a part of!
 
You failed to answer my question - where is the deceit? Be specific.

Unless you can answer that question, I might as well put on the sweat pants, break out the Hungry Man dinner and watch Matlock with a glazed over stare because it would be a better use of my time than engaging in this silly back-and-forth.
Really? I thought it was pretty clear- he was a party to the testing, THE tester in fact.

Deceitful: misleading others.

Syn: dishonest, untruthful, mendacious,insincere, false, disingenuous,untrustworthy, unscrupulous,unprincipled, two-faced, Janus-faced,duplicitous, double-dealing,underhanded, crafty, cunning, sly,scheming, calculating, treacherous,Machiavellian, sneaky, tricky, foxy,crooked

He held himself out as an unbiased, objective third party when his direct involvement was everything BUT "arm's length."
 
Real simple, its personal, Dr. Jim doesn't like Karl.


I know for a fact that Jim had no animosity towards Karl prior to this thread. In fact, it was just the opposite.

The following discussion between Jim and Karl is from February 13, 2013:

Dear members.

I'm the founder of Sciroxx,

It was brought to my attention that a couple of vials were sent domestically without labels to Steroidfax's customers.

I work closely with this source, and I'm more then aware to the difficulties in offering a domestic service for a lab which is located in Europe in order to offer GMP parallel qualities. From safety issues the products are usually sent unlabeled to the USA disguised as other merchandise, while the labels are sent separately and put in place by the shipper, this is all done to keep a smooth and safe operation, and consistent supply to US ground. I assure you that such case in which the products were sent without labels is by far the exception, but in some very rare cases in order not to delay a customer who paid for a doemstic service the shipper may send the product unlabeled and the labels may be shipped later. After talking to steroidfax.com and get a thorough explnation to this incident I assure you that this customer got genuine Sciroxx products and I'm responsible to their quality. I'm actually eager to get the feedback from this member on the products as well as any lab test or serum test after using the products, as well as a sterility or purity test.

If there are any concerns, questions or complaints regarding any issue concerning Sciroxx products you're all welcome to to write to us on the contact us section on Sciroxx Laboratories

Karl


Thanks for the prompt reply Karl!

That's good enough for me!

Best regards

JIM


I appreciate the clarification and sincere consumer apology.

It does appear the oversight was an indiscriminate occurrence which will be rectified to the (reasonable) satisfaction of the customers involved.

That being said your efforts, and direct support, reassurance and intercession by Karl himself, compels me to believe the ISSUE RECTIFIED!
 
Much as we have been at it, you and CBS are on point, muscle is the one that opened his mouth publicly but that doesn't give mands a free ride for talking either. Jim trusted the guy with sensitive info and I don't care if it was a month, 2 months before or after, we both know people that talk, do just that , talk. At least he should apologize to Jim for putting his personal info in danger. Like a guy or not. the guy is a dick or not, you don't do shit like that.
How did I jeopardize Jim's personal identity? Follow along GM if you want to contribute. Jim has posted the lab and stated he could test gh on this vary forum. Unreal!

mands
 
How did I jeopardize Jim's personal identity? Follow along GM if you want to contribute. Jim has posted the lab and stated he could test gh on this vary forum. Unreal!

mands

Like my pm to you mands, talking is talking. muscle96 may have done it open forum but you gave him the ammo. If you don't see it I can't make you, there are a few Brothers here that know what talking means and what it does.
the analoogy a member put if ''I was going to do a deal with someone I sure hope he would keep it private and not go telling someone else''. I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea
 
It was muscle who opened his mouth that jim had the testing done, but I know if I engaged in illegal activity with someone and paid for their services that put them at risk I would sincerely hope I did not need to fucking tell them to be quiet about it.

You strutting around saying "I was right first" and "I knew it" is ALMOST as pathetic as some of the other douchebags that publicy shower themselves with adulation when they think they have proven a point or won an argument in this thread. Im is slinging mud that he has been holding for months since jim attacked him. You have some points, but you are grossly overstating the importance of your findings and how helpful these conclusions are to this thread. We get it- you are wicked smart and must have esp with the clarity with which you saw through Jim's master plan so much earlier than everyone else.

Mands was the original info leak- he told muscle about it and posted incriminating test results on promuscle. Muscle gave the info to the public on a silver platter. Both moves are pretty fucked up in this venue of shared anonymity... but it is what it is when you choose to trust people- nobody to blame but yourself dr jim. Them are the breaks.

What I can't understand is the point being missed that the only passing test was the one sample mands sent to jim. That is the only test displaying gh- every other test has failed mass spec wise- all from the Fucking Manufacturer!

Jim tried to play babe in the woods when he attacked his own results, but his were all valid points. He didn't lie... he just didn't tell his involvement. Its like being at the funeral of someone you killed. Best to say sorry and move on, but he decided to stop at the family next to the casket and tell them why the victim was a piece of shit. I would rather do that to affect my credibility as opposed to having a big mouth- being outed as someone who gets angry and lets personal info slide out in the open to win a fucking argument.

Well, that's not at all what my point was- it was that when I did, ppl who Jim had now labeled traitors actually defended him. When I pressed on I was expecting to be the one to eat crow at some point but I just couldn't keep my mouth shut, and in the end Jim even turned on them.

But whatever. Bigger deal is that ppl here are accusing the "whistle blowers" of posting personal info and such, when that's clearly not the case.

And at what point does someone not get this courtesy brutus?

If IM pm'd me re: some intentions he had to further spread the chomo bs he threw at you, wouldn't you want a heads up? Because I wouldn't feel the least bit like stool pigeon disclosing that.

Or what about calf cramp using you to vouch for him, you eventually put an end to that... I know you'll say the details are different, but not by much. Jim's personal info isn't out there, we all know that.

Your position on this sounds exactly like GMs a few pages back, and like I told him I believe there has to be some judgement calls at times.
 
I know for a fact that Jim had no animosity towards Karl prior to this thread. In fact, it was just the opposite.

The following discussion between Jim and Karl is from February 13, 2013:

MH you can spend a lifetime reviewing my posts on Meso and you will NEVER locate one where I was anything but indifferent or complimentary towards him or his company Sciroxx.

Hey any evidence on my lab profit margin yet?

Let's see some more of your "proof" and make this thread even more interesting MH?

Your destined to lose a few more friends in the process though, ah who gives a shit, their disposable trash anyway right!

:)
 
I still can't beleive everybody is focusing on who let the message out and how the message got out, yet nobody is focusing on the message itself!! Where are your priorities?? Are you people really that dysfunctional?? You sit here and talk shit about other boards like PM while your hands are even dirtier.
 
Really? I thought it was pretty clear- he was a party to the testing, THE tester in fact.

He held himself out as an unbiased, objective third party when his direct involvement was everything BUT "arm's length."


Yes, he was the tester. So what? At no time did he try to discredit Mands tests.

The very fact that he released tests that were favorable to Karl suggests that he is pretty damn objective.
 
MH you can spend a lifetime reviewing my posts on Meso and you will NEVER locate one where I was anything but indifferent or complimentary towards him or his company Sciroxx.

Hey any evidence on my lab profit margin yet?

Let's see some more of your "proof" and make this thread even more interesting MH?

Your destined to lose a few more friends in the process though, ah who gives a shit, their disposable trash anyway right!

:)

I never said one thing about you making a profit. Also I am still waiting for your proof on how I am a scammer and a shill as you stated earlier. The only one running a scam here is you acting like you had nothing to do with the lab testing for the past 2 months. And about friends, its funny, even on your home board you only have a few friends. Most people just put up with you because they have to.
 
Well, that's not at all what my point was- it was that when I did, ppl who Jim had now labeled traitors actually defended him. When I pressed on I was expecting to be the one to eat crow at some point but I just couldn't keep my mouth shut, and in the end Jim even turned on them.

But whatever. Bigger deal is that ppl here are accusing the "whistle blowers" of posting personal info and such, when that's clearly not the case.

And at what point does someone not get this courtesy brutus?

If IM pm'd me re: some intentions he had to further spread the chomo bs he threw at you, wouldn't you want a heads up? Because I wouldn't feel the least bit like stool pigeon disclosing that.

Or what about calf cramp using you to vouch for him, you eventually put an end to that... I know you'll say the details are different, but not by much. Jim's personal info isn't out there, we all know that.

Your position on this sounds exactly like GMs a few pages back, and like I told him I believe there has to be some judgement calls at times.
Duly noted, yet I fell whistle blowing should take place when something is fraudulent. Fake gear, fake rumors, fake test. I don't believe anyone said the test was fake...

Again- the issue is that the "manufacturer" cannot produce a single test authenticating that he is producing rHGH- no passing mass specs or hplc (what he did produce testing on said it was NOT hgh). If he was manufacturing he would have endless data- he could crash our server with it. Instead we hear "next week" and "talk to my professor". Personally I wish karl would admit he is having someone make the shit for him and he is a reseller- then WHO FUCKING CARES? Its just like every other reseller out there- you think hk would waste time presenting himself as someone who invested millions and Is some kind of hgh underlord wizard? We are attacking the lie.

Considering the only good test is from jim for the mands sample, and karl can't come up with another verifiable hgh product (or test) don't you see where jim might get pissed that the test was whored out to multiple boards as making the entire operation credible and for a known scammer that he despises?

I had my doubts but I don't think @mands is "in on" any scam. I also think he told muscle26 what he told him in confidence and m26 violated that confidence. I also think mands never would have bought a single vial of this shit had he known what would happen. Just my .02.
 
Enough with all this BS none of us really gonna profit from any of this and we should be a shame of ourself call well known members names what ever happened Karl didn't prove any but that he is a liar lets move on I say dead this thread
 
I never said one thing about you making a profit. Also I am still waiting for your proof on how I am a scammer and a shill as you stated earlier. The only one running a scam here is you acting like you had nothing to do with the lab testing for the past 2 months. And about friends, its funny, even on your home board you only have a few friends. Most people just put up with you because they have to.

Golly I really appreciate the insight of a shill, but it's ok you can leave now MH :)
 
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