Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

I establish the fact that I produce HGH by a specific biological assay test defined in poharmacopuia and posted it, and yes the pharma companies uses the terminal 10 AA, I speculate only this test is available at this independent lab, but I'll ask,

You asked for test which are not done in may facility, and I arrange independent lab tests like I should which simply takes more time

If u do have any doubts, and requires test which doesn't even done by licensed pharma WHY DON'T U ORDER AND TEST IT ? IT'LL PROVE MORE I GUESS ?! OHH LETS KEEP THE BLA BLA, MORE FUN FOR U I GUESS

Oh for those that aren't aware terminal peptide analysis of a GH molecule ONLY evaluates the amino acid sequence of the last few amino acids but IT DOES NOT;

1) ensure people like K are selling GH with ONLY 191 amino acids

2) determine if the entire AA sequence is appropriate for rHGH

3) evaluate the folding of GH at specific positions

So is it possible that's why K does NOT want to perform this test.....it proves the submitted sample is rHGH w 99.99% certainty ! (And also eliminates any cheap ass contenders, such as those that cause very odd reactions)

Well no surprise there right K, lol!

 

[Marcus]

Bravo - buying my products and test them on a random basis, plus having an expert talk to my professor and confirm the knowledge, technology and QA measures may get u much closer to the truth then the repeated bullshit here.

I claim I produce it, lets say I'm just supplying it, would it make any difference ? if in the end of day u get quality GH...

Lets bring an expert which may asses my statements, lets test the product like Mands did,

Keep drilling in the doubts don't serve u

This is the 2nd or 3rd time this whole thread you have, in a sly way, agreed that you do not produce and instead supply a high quality GH. Which is great!

EXCEPT then you do not have control over the raws. What happens when your raw connect screws you over? Are you going to begin testing batches and if they don't meet this standard, toss them and not pass this along to the client hoping that they won't notice? I think not. But we'll see

 

[Ripgut]

I read alot, and learn as much as possible... I admit when shit is over my head and leave that to more experienced or educated individual's.
What irritates me in my reading is this Italian Muscle guy. He seems to only cause my problems to a solution.

 

[Dr JIM]

In fact it is kind of funny the things you said about mands tests considering your role, but I will not get into that.

My role?

Hmm you want to elaborate fella bc I damn sure have NOTHING TO HIDE!

 

[Dr JIM]

I read alot, and learn as much as possible... I admit when shit is over my head and leave that to more experienced or educated individual's.
What irritates me in my reading is this Italian Muscle guy. He seems to only cause my problems to a solution.

I've recently discovered the "ignore" option for clowns like IM whom absolutely add nothing worthwhile to ANY Meso thread!

Try it you'll be glad you did, I promise

 

[Ripgut]

Got it.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - By no means I suggested I don't make the GH, on the contrary - I offered to any agreed expert to asses this claim with my professor, he'll get a profound explanation on our technology and methods, I can't make up such expert to full another expert, or at least it'll be a difficult task, as if I have such expert available who controls the whole materia and may ask on any issue then probably he product the GH for me, again I agree it's not a fact, but a probable fact.

What I said is that it say I rebottle the GH in Europe from a reliable supplier ..... then what ? it makes it inferior ? test it on a constant basis, like u should anyhow, and enjoy from a proven quality of rebottled European GH .....

 

[muscle96ss]

In fact it is kind of funny the things you said about mands tests considering your role, but I will not get into that.

My role?

Hmm you want to elaborate fella bc I damn sure have NOTHING TO HIDE!

Are you sure you want me to elaborate? I will be happy to do so in a couple of hours when I finish making and eating my lamb racks with my family. However I think it would look better coming from you admitting your role in the testing that has already taken place. I just looked and I still have the private message that confirms it. I have been trying to avoid bringing this bit off information into the fiasco but frankly I am sick of your shit and this will definitely put things into perspective and show what a hypocrit you really are.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

And we are all still waiting for brutus/johnnyballz mass spec tests that were promised close to 2 months ago on ALP orals. You still doing them, or did that fall through? Be sure to answer these questions, because all your info will be verified, I can assure you..

1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

And those points, came straight from your mouth. If you need me to post the link, I will.

Check the title of the thread, dummy. It's Western-BioTech, not Karius.

In addition to issuing threats, there's another reason you can get banned from Meso - spamming. And that's what you're doing right now. Keep it up and we'll finally be able to get rid of you just like PC was finally able to get rid of that nasty case of crabs he caught from that ladyboy in Bangkok.

BTW, nice copy and paste.

 

[Ripgut]

Are you sure you want me to elaborate? I will be happy to do so in a couple of hours when I finish making and eating my lamb racks with my family. However I think it would look better coming from you admitting your role in the testing that has already taken place. I just looked and I still have the private message that confirms it. I have been trying to avoid bringing this bit off information into the fiasco but frankly I am sick of your shit and this will definitely put things into perspective and show what a hypocrit you really are.

Show it... After dinner of course. Family first!!!

 

[Ripgut]

wtf?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I claim I produce it, lets say I'm just supplying it, would it make any difference ? if in the end of day u get quality GH...

It would make a difference because it demonstrates how credible you are. If you are willing to lie about producing GH, you are more likely to be dishonest down the road.

 

[Western-Biotech]

And CBS - this is why I offered to talk to my expert and test my claims, but lets start from testing the products - pls test them, these repeated nonsense doesn't help or contribute to anyone

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

And CBS - this is why I offered to talk to my expert and test my claims, but lets start from testing the products - pls test them, these repeated nonsense doesn't help or contribute to anyone

I'm not sure what you think talking to "your professor" is going to accomplish. I'm not even convinced you're sincere about the offer. You're on record as saying he (your professor) has no idea we are discussing the use the very GH HE is "advising" on for bodybuilding purposes on a bodybuilding forum.

My professor in an authority in the peptides field, more then a dozen of patents are registered under his companies (all are in the R&D realm have to say and not pharmaceutical),

Comment - If my professor would know these things are discussed in such forum (and I have the highest respect to professionalmuscle as u all know), he would never cooperate with my team u all surely realize this

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-quality-gh-sciroxx-group-19.html#post1961787


Even if that conversation were to take place, I suspect you're so scared of what might be divulged, you'll limit any discussion with him to the point that it becomes meaningless.

Your fear of the professor discovering how his GH is being used, as well as your statement that your professor's experience is entirely in the field of the R&D realm and not pharmaceuticals does lend credence to the argument being made that you are selling R&D research grade GH rather than making it yourself.

 

[dnml]

And CBS - this is why I offered to talk to my expert and test my claims, but lets start from testing the products - pls test them, these repeated nonsense doesn't help or contribute to anyone

Cmon Karl this is a two way street here. .. WE have been testing them, and are continuing to do so.

You have not retested yet, as you said you would. YOU need to 'pls test them' too.

I have been very fair with you and haven't jumped the gun and accused you without giving you a chance to prove otherwise. But you need to stop stalling here.

Don't prove me wrong (and prove those who came out swinging correct) by fumbling the ball here.

 

[dnml]

Are you sure you want me to elaborate? I will be happy to do so in a couple of hours when I finish making and eating my lamb racks with my family. However I think it would look better coming from you admitting your role in the testing that has already taken place. I just looked and I still have the private message that confirms it. I have been trying to avoid bringing this bit off information into the fiasco but frankly I am sick of your shit and this will definitely put things into perspective and show what a hypocrit you really are.

I'm drooling. And not over the lamb racks lol

 

[Western-Biotech]

Dnml - not sure if you just ignore my posts - I offered independent tests a couple of hours ago, and offered a way to validate them, the ball is in your hands

Follow Muscle96 post - I can't express it better - I may post now anything, it won't prove much if comes from me, you simply follow the agenda here of Dr Jim, and serve his ego mania,

the ball is in your hands - ask the admin, or any accepted member to asses my tests and talk to the lab I submit the tests to.

I explained we do a certain set of tests, you asked for more, I said fine, but cooperate with me in order to prove I do the honest thing

Anyone knows that the best is simply test the Somastim anonymously by honest members here

 

[Dr JIM]

I claim I produce it, lets say I'm just supplying it, would it make any difference ? if in the end of day u get quality GH... u

No K that's the third time you have used those words exactly to define what you COULD BE DOING!

But why would anyone in their right mind (having made every effort to convince those on Meso their producing legit GH) even consider using words which provide substance and credibility to the belief your NOT making GH?

THEY WOULDN'T !

But it's the same double speak we have become all to familiar with, when you attempt to "explain" the unexplainable!

In other words, it's just more BULLSHIT and a HUGE reason why your credibility is in the toilet on Meso K.

Crap on top of that you have the gall to suggest your selling "quality GH" when a first time user called your product "garbage, unbelievable!

What remedy do you have for that issue K. Shall we do some "independent lab tests" on the GH you select as the sample for analysis?

So when your independent lab analysis, (if that nonsense ever comes to fruition which I sincerely doubt) reveals rHGH that is GTG, what are you going to tell BB and several others whom have had similar reactions?

Well the truth is out that's for sure, bc you've buried yourself in these pathetic lies.

Hmm I've an idea, blame BBs tainted GH on the "excipients" since "the lab didn't test for that"!

CASE CLOSED, LMAO!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

- I offered independent tests a couple of hours ago, and offered a way to validate them, the ball is in your hands

Karl that's just MORE BULLSHIT.

Tell me how any independent lab will verify what you send them as a sample, is the same product you've advertised and are selling over the net and on several AAS forums

Nope the latter can ONLY be accomplished by analyzing those products currently on the marketplace.

Of greatest interest are kits obtained from folk whom have developed these unusual reactions.

And for those interested PM me, NO BULLSHITTERS, K is enough already!

(Sorry I will not accept any samples from "new" Meso members)

 

[Western-Biotech]

Dr Jim - for the first time I agree with you, and I'm Fn happy you said it now, and not in a week after the testing. I said from day one honestly - my tests won't prove much, true I may send anything to this lab, I just wanted to prove u that I used an independent FDA approved lab for valid testing - u guys should test it, like Mands did and found pharma grade, and like dozens of guy now who do serums so on Eroids, PM, EG, SW and all over actually

This is what the Fuck I said, so why don't u test it as well u fucker, u know that you'll find it like Mands as pharma grade ? worries u ? or u just an impotent who gives a shit on this community and wanna post for your shivering ego, but won't do the right thing ?!