Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

You're pathetic with all the respect, you guys here consume toilet brewers shit, test product by labmax (while the testers themselves admit it's not close to be accurate), and one comes and provides u with valid USP tests, other vets here repeats on the tests on a USA university, u have many serum tests to asses the quality as a repeated indication, everything tested fantastically as GH, and right it's not GH .....

U shame yourself with your nonsense

Maybe u test it ? ohhh yes test it and then have an opinion anyone may consider ?!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You're pathetic with all the respect, you guys here consume toilet brewers, test product by labmax (while the testers themselves admit it's not close to be accurate), and one comes and provides u with valid tests, other vets here repeats on the tests on a USA university, u have many serum tests to asses the quality as a repeated indication, and right it's not GH

U shame yourself with your nonsense

You're a piece of shit, Karl.. All the dodging and slick talk doesn't work here, "brah"...

 

[Flounder]

No Karl you shame yourself by having NEVER providing one single test of the product you say you manufacture. How bout it Karl. Any chance of you providing anything? Ever? I'm not referring to Mands testing or any other testing done by anyone else but you and your peeps. Karl help a brother out and supply something...anything. This is the same fucking statement I said weeks ago and here we are. Karl knock the shit off and fucking supply some testing from inhouse. I'm out. I'm not spending my night discussing this bullshit anymore.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Karl if I did order and test N your product what would that prove? It still woudnt prove you make hgh surely you can see the flaw in your thought process. for the record I would never order from you after the way you delt with johnnyBALLZ, telling him to produce the emails from years ago come off it man. You are a ugl simple and plain.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

And to make it clear, as your claim is not valid - Follow our procedure of SDS-page, SEC, and biological assay tests and you know beyond any doubt you have HGH, and asses it's clinical effect,

Your SDS-Page is garbage. Look at fig. 1. The MW is NOT that of hGH. Anyone trying to prove they had hGH certainly wouldn't post an SDS-Page for a substance with the WRONG MW - unless, of course, they believed their audience was too ignorant to know any better.

Now someone has to put an end to this nonsense, not a single source has never ever proved like I did that follows a methodical pharma standards, and made available for u a chemist (who is a professor) so u may bring your expert and make a valid discussion and conclusions.

No, they have not and neither have you. You're right about one thing, though: Someone has to put an end to this nonsense.

Not a single independent full and thorough test here (like Mands did in a USA university) has ever shown 99.5% purity .

Exactly! And that's a BIG problem. You see, the person claiming to make the GH should also have his own tests showing he produced GH with a purity of 99.5% purity. The fact that YOU DON'T is evidence that you ARE NOT producing GH, but reselling it.

You actually consume here all day bathroom brewers offerings FFS.
I said and proved our method yeilds pharma grade purity and potency, other tests also proved it. Bring an expert that may refute my claims, or best bring an independent lab test that may prove me wrong

No you have not. You proved (actually Mands proved - you've posted NO proof) that you are selling hGH of pharm grade quality and potency. Period.

Test it, pls do ! or stop the nonsense

You mean if I DON'T test it you WILL stop the nonsense? Okay, you got it!! I won't test it.

Aha - and you're guys are the authority for analytic chemistry, and above all to SDS-page tests ... would be very careful with such claims as you have no Fn clue, and all tests confirmed and will confirm my statements as a fact

Are you an analytic chemist to make such claims ?

I'm as much of an analytical chemist as you are a GH producer, Karl.

Regards

CBS PhD, MD, P. Eng, FEBS, FRS, MRCP, RSC, ACS, AIChE, NSPE, ACP, AMA

Assistant Professor of Microbiology & Immunobiology , Harvard University

Associate Professor of Biological Chemistry & Molecular Pharmacology, Harvard University.

Professor of Chemical and Biological Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Professor of Analytical Chemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

And just for you Karl:

Professor of Anabolic Steroids and Performance Enhancing Drugs, Tel Aviv University

 

[Western-Biotech]

Ahha ...

So I specified the tests we run. Any test done independently confirmed our test results

Have any doubts about our standards or our methods then you're welcome to choose an analytic chemist and talk to my expert.

You may place any anony' order and test it by any standards as well, and always post it with or with out the signature of the inspector.

Nothing more should be said, but I'm sure will, I appreciate your precious time

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Damn a whole week without a word?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Damn a whole week without a word?

I noticed that. Karl was supposed to post some tests this week.

Karl, when we can expect the AA analysis and MOST importantly, the Trypsin Modulated Peptide Sequence that Dr Jim requested?

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Once business hits a certain stride, most will bail in past promises considering it wouldn't matter to them at the current juncture. I have to admit, I've been interested, but I did want to see a little further effort with tests. Or at least just lie and say he resells pharma shit, I dunno.

 

[biggerben69]

We've officially entered Bizzarro World. Astro and Karl came to meso at the polar opposite today.
Karl won't be allowed to eat with Astro today and may be forced to carry his belongings and have some formal ceremony .
Karl has been somewhat removed from the community for some time. You jump back in with this nonsense because you only saw big $$$ being made and scammed all over. Yes, the biggest scams have taken place at promuscle.
You bet on your rep as it is as a reputable ugl owner along with a script right out of a science fiction book were going to propel you to the front of the line and allow you to make a bunch again.
Your rep is walking down the street stuck to the bottom of astros shoe. Good day, Sir.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Lab tests as promised will be posts soon.

Kits are landing, the ball is actually in your hands and the most important thing is your tests and feedback, I do encourage each and every customer to make and post and lab tests by any independent standards just like Mands did and found 99.5 purity

The products are in your hands, I may post now also a degree from the Nobel prize committee, it won't prove as much as your tests - for instance yesterday posted on another major forum (anyone may contact me to get the link, was asked not to show other forums here -
Sciroxx new batch of HGH tested good, 10iu 3 hours before blood draw came out to 23.2.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Lab tests as promised will be posts soon.

You said on September 13 that the tests would be posted in one week. It's been one week.

Bravo - Assume u refer to mess spec and AA seq - Should have results in a week, Forwarded to an independent lab, I'll show uncensored details to the admin so he may confirm it's a FDA approved lab

The products are in your hands, I may post now also a degree from the Nobel prize committee, it won't prove as much as your tests - for instance yesterday posted on another major forum (anyone may contact me to get the link, was asked not to show other forums here -

A GH serum test is a joke compared to the AA analysis and the Trypsin Modulated Peptide Sequence you promised to post. Looks like you're trying to avoid this issue. C'mon, Karl, someone claiming to own a multimillion dollar GH production facility should be able to post those tests on a moments notice.

Sciroxx new batch of HGH tested good,

Sciroxx? I thought Western BioTech and Sciroxx were separate entities?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Yes - and I don't have the results yet, I want in purpose to offer independent lab tests, so there will be no doubts. You have my very valid lab tests which guarantee the potency and purity, u asked for more tests as a caprice of Dr Jim, so I follow it.

The results posted yesterday on the other forum were posted under Sciroxx section, so Sciroxx is mentioned there, the facility of Sciroxx has nothing to do with the facility of the Somastim, this is what I said earlier, and this is a fact, not sure why you have to waste everyone's time with this nonsense.

If you would have a basic dignity you would order Somastim, or even ask from a member here who got the Somastim, and make any test u like to, just like Mands did and found 99.5% purity of GH incl' AA test. A test done by a customer will prove much more then something I post. Repeated serum tests clearly gives u a valid indication to the consistent quality, after all u suggested I re vial pharma product we have more then a dozen of perfect serum tests with perfect scores

 

[graniteman]

Your SDS-Page is garbage. Look at fig. 1. The MW is NOT that of hGH. Anyone trying to prove they had hGH certainly wouldn't post an SDS-Page for a substance with the WRONG MW - unless, of course, they believed their audience was too ignorant to know any better.

No, they have not and neither have you. You're right about one thing, though: Someone has to put an end to this nonsense.




Exactly! And that's a BIG problem. You see, the person claiming to make the GH should also have his own tests showing he produced GH with a purity of 99.5% purity. The fact that YOU DON'T is evidence that you ARE NOT producing GH, but reselling it.




No you have not. You proved (actually Mands proved - you've posted NO proof) that you are selling hGH of pharm grade quality and potency. Period.




You mean if I DON'T test it you WILL stop the nonsense? Okay, you got it!! I won't test it.








I'm as much of an analytical chemist as you are a GH producer, Karl.

Regards

CBS PhD, MD, P. Eng, FEBS, FRS, MRCP, RSC, ACS, AIChE, NSPE, ACP, AMA

Assistant Professor of Microbiology & Immunobiology , Harvard University

Associate Professor of Biological Chemistry & Molecular Pharmacology, Harvard University.

Professor of Chemical and Biological Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Professor of Analytical Chemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

And just for you Karl:

Professor of Anabolic Steroids and Performance Enhancing Drugs, Tel Aviv University

Just a question, not trying to interject, trying to follow the GH trail. So karl submits a obviously fake test. Mands tests the same product and gets a 99.5% result. How does one address the glaring differences?

Test bnow the Somastim - Mands will send u a sample - check if there are any other proteins which may lead to any reaction, actually it's a silly concept as purity of 99.5% is beyond any pharma standards, and any allergic reaction has nothing to do with the GH, I suggest to stop making claims which shames u and other members intelligent

@Western-Biotech, karl why would mands send him a sample? Is he repping for you or did you send him kits to hand out? I would be interested in samples for testing if this is the case

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Just a question, not trying to interject, trying to follow the GH trail. So karl submits a obviously fake test. Mands tests the same product and gets a 99.5% result. How does one address the glaring differences?



@Western-Biotech, karl why would mands send him a sample? Is he repping for you or did you send him kits to hand out? I would be interested in samples for testing if this is the case

Granite the main problem is that karl is a liar, he has claimed to make hgh but hasnt provided one shred of evidence to support his claim. Not to mention what he did to brother johnnyBALLZ lets just say hes a real piece of work. Granite bickel did a summary a few pages back that was pretty accurate check it out.

 

[Marcus]

Mands placed an anonymous order at the beginning @graniteman
That being said, Karl could've assumed this was going to happen at the beginning and made sure to send quality product out until it was tested and brought to the boards, I don't know.

 

[Western-Biotech]

I'll try to take seriously this repeated non sense -

I posted the set of tests we do which guarantee the purity, and above all the potency - we follow biological assay tests (on HGH) defined in pharmacopuia which checks prolifiration on human cell - .

True that from the academic/scientific point of view more tests may be done, it's completely unnecessary for our production line, and I may repeat again the explanation from my professor

Any lab tests done so far proved our statements for the quality - Mands tests, as well as serum tests (which we agree just gives an indication, and not accurate evaluation - but still consistent unflawed anonymous serum tests proves I can't manipulate anything)

I'm not going to address any baseless issue with Jhonnyballs, pls pls.

Bottom line - I know that some members here got the Somastim, anyone is more then welcome to test it, any member is welcome to make any anonymous order and test by any accepted standards or tests he likes to - the results will be one - pharma grade and above just like Mands did

As notes -
- if u test now pharma grade product you'll get about 97.5 % purity
- Mands bought from me 4 kits, and paid for them

 

[graniteman]

Yes - and I don't have the results yet, I want in purpose to offer independent lab tests, so there will be no doubts. You have my very valid lab tests which guarantee the potency and purity, u asked for more tests as a caprice of Dr Jim, so I follow it.

The results posted yesterday on the other forum were posted under Sciroxx section, so Sciroxx is mentioned there, the facility of Sciroxx has nothing to do with the facility of the Somastim, this is what I said earlier, and this is a fact, not sure why you have to waste everyone's time with this nonsense.

If you would have a basic dignity you would order Somastim, or even ask from a member here who got the Somastim, and make any test u like to, just like Mands did and found 99.5% purity of GH incl' AA test. A test done by a customer will prove much more then something I post. Repeated serum tests clearly gives u a valid indication to the consistent quality, after all u suggested I re vial pharma product we have more then a dozen of perfect serum tests with perfect scores

If you own a GH Production facility wouldn't you have to also have testing equipment on hand or do you just make your GH hoping all your compounds are up to par. How can your produce a high quality product without the means to test the end product or materials used to make it?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Graniteman - We make a set of tests in our facility - I posted them, Mands did even more thorough tests which confirmed the same.

True that theoretically more tests may be done, my professor state clearly that it's proven unnecessary, we're not trying to win a Nobel Prize but provide proven constant quality in a very competitive price.

I welcome anyone (and posted it, even begged to) to arrange an analytic chemist to talk to my professor online (skype) and get the explanation - such chemist will certainly confirm our tests.

Now instead of this repeated bla bla lets simply make anonymous orders and test it, we all know that haters will hate, I'm the only supplier who may state and prove to supply such quality, and made for u a professor available to conduct any conversation with an expert and refute any doubts.

I also posted the reply from my professor regarding some claims here, and may do it again, but again haters will hate

 

[graniteman]

I'll try to take seriously this repeated non sense -

I posted the set of tests we do which guarantee the purity, and above all the potency - we follow biological assay tests (on HGH) defined in pharmacopuia which checks prolifiration on human cell - .

True that from the academic/scientific point of view more tests may be done, it's completely unnecessary for our production line, and I may repeat again the explanation from my professor

Any lab tests done so far proved our statements for the quality - Mands tests, as well as serum tests (which we agree just gives an indication, and not accurate evaluation - but still consistent unflawed anonymous serum tests proves I can't manipulate anything)

I'm not going to address any baseless issue with Jhonnyballs, pls pls.

Bottom line - I know that some members here got the Somastim, anyone is more then welcome to test it, any member is welcome to make any anonymous order and test by any accepted standards or tests he likes to - the results will be one - pharma grade and above just like Mands did

As notes -
- if u test now pharma grade product you'll get about 97.5 % purity
- Mands bought from me 4 kits, and paid for them

I'm still confused as to why you said mands will send members a sample if he paid you for them? Seems you're taking his kindness a little far isn't it? Much as 99.6% purity sounds appealing the more you talk the less appealing it seems.
Why don't you just come clean with details and facts, you're pretty much torched in your representation here as it seems?

Western-Biotech said: ↑
Test bnow the Somastim - Mands will send u a sample - check if there are any other proteins which may lead to any reaction, actually it's a silly concept as purity of 99.5% is beyond any pharma standards, and any allergic reaction has nothing to do with the GH, I suggest to stop making claims which shames u and other members intelligent