Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[mands]

Oh I fucked up and your done with me. Well thank God for that blessing MANDS.

I ran GH tests for you as a favor for nothing and only asked you keep your mouth shut. An obviously impossible task when you have something no one else has BUT WANTS.

Bc like some kid in a candy store you went about posting analytical data you don't even understand making claims I either never made or stated on a provisional basis. So stop blaming me for your own ignorance.

Why did you proceed with such haste, bc you wanted to impress those on other forums to gain access to "friends" involved in sales and the money that flows along with it.

You can say all you want about my ego MANDS but one thing I'll never do is fuck my friends over for money, as you have have done!

Once again lies and accusations you cannot prove.

Show me where I ever fucked over friends or anyone for money!

You like challenges. Here is yours! Find anyone anywhere that I have fucked over for money.

I'll be waiting...

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

mabee i am not seeing it correctly if so i apologize . im sure as hell not siding with IM we all know he is a pot stirring troublemaker..

Oh well I thought you had something a little less subjective bc oftentimes that perception is inevitable to provoke the undoing of those in power.

And for that I make no apologies.

 

[dealer]

Regardless of all the entertaining drama, I want Karl to go through this grinder.

I want him to do these tests and hopefully he becomes a model for what a GH manufacturer has to go through. For the record, I want him to succeed but I also want him worn out like a Marine after the Crucible.

I hope Rips and Hyges go through this kind of vetting next, they are still cheaper than Karl's HGH.

 

[mands]

You know what's comical here?

I myself could fly out and visit the facility producing gh. Take pics and explain to everyone what I experienced. Take vials straight from the lab manufacturing the gh. Bring them back to the states do a serum test on them and have them tested and still people would say no way Karl manufactured this.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Once again lies and accusations you cannot prove.

Show me where I ever fucked over friends or anyone for money!

You like challenges. Here is yours! Find anyone anywhere that I have fucked over for money.

I'll be waiting...

mands

Oh please MANDS you used me to help K sell this GH, it's that simple.

Bc if that wasn't the case you would have posted the data and walked away, allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Later discussing and agreeing to a course of action which is not only informative but forthright, with that individual who performed those tests.

No instead you continued to boast the results in an effort to convince others you had found a generic GH worth purchasing.

All in spite of K never posting evidence that supported his claims.

Did it ever occur to you perhaps K slipped you PH grade GH to use you to promote sales.

The fact is I'm still not sure that's not the case considering the dearth of analytical data K has revealed.

Heck why don't you believe something is wrong with this picture, K is making GH but has NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

(Yea IW I'm the one responsible for revealing that possibility and with damn good reason so if that's stirring some pot, I hope to do much more of it.)

So MANDS you say you don't care how K obtained the GH you received as long as it's quality is "good"!

Well does a good GH product cause limping for 24-48 hours, does good GH include supportive evidence? Most would obviously say HELL NO AND DAMN RIGHT!

Would it not also be optimal to TRUST those your purchasing ANY PED from?

Your incessant pushing of this product onto Meso members upon Ks introduction, your indifference towards the meaning of what many would consider a quality product certainly make me (and many other) believe you had or have a vested interest in it's sales.

Crap MANDS I came about this WB thread by accident since you didn't even bother to tell me you had posted the data which I asked you to do before hand. Why? Bc I wanted to ensure it was explained correctly and thoroughly

So that one person your looking for, is ME.

It's odd how some have completely overlooked your duplicitous behavior with regard to this GH, but we both know you have been much less than honest about your intentions and IMO you did it for money or product.

 

[Marcus]

I can't speak for other boards as I don't follow them, but @mands never boasted about the results nor tried to convince any of us anything. He just reported what he received in regards to the test.

 

[Dr JIM]

You know what's comical here?

I myself could fly out and visit the facility producing gh. Take pics and explain to everyone what I experienced. Take vials straight from the lab manufacturing the gh. Bring them back to the states do a serum test on them and have them tested and still people would say no way Karl manufactured this.

mands

But apparently what not even you can do, is post evidence this "lab" (that looks like a bakery) is operational!

 

[dnml]

You said he (JIM) "bashed his own test ....claiming it's not even gh"

Where did he bash his own test or claim it WASN'T GH? You've provided no support for that statement and what you posted earlier didn't support your accusation that he lied. The guy withheld the fact that he was the one that did the testing. Big fucking deal. It's none of your business or anybody elses who did the test. That doesn't me he lied.

No one here paid for those tests. You're getting access to the results for nothing. And yet you and a few others (mostly from PM) think you're entitled to know who the tester was. And if the tester wished to remain anonymous, it must be because he's a liar or has an agenda. You are accusing Jim of having some kind of agenda because he tried to get people to understand the results weren't conclusive YET because HE KNEW there were more tests coming that WOULD be conclusive. But he certainly couldn't say the lab told him the test results released were only preliminary. And he couldn't say there were more tests coming, could he? That would be an admission that he was the tester. Since you people can't seem to get that through your thick skulls, you launched a smear campaign instead, accusing Jim of lying and having an agenda. You accused him of impropriety even though he could have easily doctor the tests to say K was selling garbage. It's absurd.

Regarding Jim criticizing Karl, like most people here, Jim doesn't believe K is making GH. Can he not criticize Karl because he conducted the ONLY test that proved the GH sample Mands received was legit? Does that make his criticism invalid? Not to me. And I doubt to anyone else who's actually thinking.

But my biggest issue in all this is I'm getting tired of all the unsubstantiated accusations being thrown around lately - in this thread and others. People seem to be following the example set by that idiot wop in the Karius thread and saying whatever they think will hurt someone they don't like the most, regardless of whether they can prove it or not. That needs to stop. Meso is an evidence based forum. Many members have worked hard to ensure the information available is accurate and people need to be prepared to defend their statements with evidence and not unsubstantiated bullshit. You don't like someone? Fine. You want to bring forward accusations of impropriety? Fine. But you better support it with more that your say so.

Regards

CBS

I actually agree with you that the tester wishing to remain anon shouldn't bea big deal (up to a point that is- and I'll add that position doesn't fly with Jim so there are some inconsistencies).

But that isn't the issue.

The issue is when Jim became involved in the thread in the manner he did, ie muddying the water with questions he knew the answer to, attacking others' credibility while he was pretending to be something he was not, etc. And most of all, representing himself as an uninvolved 3rd party.

You've challenged the fact that he has been deceptive. .. This is the height of deception!

Think of it this way: what if instead of Jim testing for mands, it was.... Karl. Would you take the same position? Of course not, you'd hit the roof. And here is the difference between us: so would I, just as I am now.

Or, I've been pretty vocal in this thread- what if it was me who did the testing and all my posts were exactly as they are? Do you expect us to believe you'd sit here defending me like you have Jim? No way!

And here is more proof:

I consider Jim a friend. I am loyal to my friends. If I see them being unfairly attacked, I help where I can. I also consider Brutus and JohnnyB friends and I tried to help them in the Karius thread. That's what friends do. You don't like it? Go fuck yourself.

So thank you for finally admitting you are biased and cannot be objective.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I considered him a friend until he started blaming me and saying I'm making money of this shit. His words are just another example of what I just wrote to you in my previous post. He just just blurts out shill, rep, scammer, etc. with no evidence to back any of his bullshit claims.

His accusations mean nothing at this point.

Jim I'm loyal as well!! Until someone lies about what I did or do and attacks me for nothing. I could of called you out this whole time and I did nothing except let you run this thread a muck because I am absolutely loyal. You sir are not.

Careful CBS you might be next.

mands

Mands, I like you. And because I like you, I'll be straight with you. Given your past statements about generic GH, I was very surprised when you announced your intention to test Karl's GH. However, I never questioned your motives because I had never seen you push sources before, but I did PM you to ask why you would put yourself in this situation knowing it would most certainly lead to the mess we have now. I also told a few members in PM that I believed your motives were pure.

When I found out that you had joined ProMuscle and rajjin had encouraged you to post whore to 50 posts in order to be able to access the lab testing forum, I began to have serious doubts. Then your posts in this thread - where you were trying so hard to make your case - seemed to go beyond merely reporting your results. It looked like you were an advocate rather than an impartial judge. However, to your credit you backed away from that.

And as you mentioned, you could have *publicly* outed Jim for doing the tests and didn't. That alleviated *most* of my suspicions but not all. You're involvement with, and defense of ProMuscle still concerns me, as it would with anyone involved with that site and its moderators. ProMuscle is a cesspool that is responsible for more scams than any other site. It is on par with OLM.

But in spite of all that, because it is you, I am willing to give you more leeway than I would anyone else in your position. Therefore, the question I know you're asking yourself is does CBS believe I'm a shill? The answer is no. But do I believe you are being used and influenced by those who are? Absolutely.

Jim does have a tendency to jump the gun and call shill more than he should. I'm not questioning that. But you have to admit that your recent behavior re Karl is so out of character for you, it's not that much of a stretch for anyone to think something is going on. Especially when you take into account the amount of shit you've taken for Karl. Not many people will put themselves in that position unless there is money involved.

Regarding what you and Jim discussed in PM, that's between you and him. You feel you were in the right to tell Muscle that Jim was doing the test and as I already told you, I do not agree. Muscle releasing on the open what you told him in PM is contemptible and I wouldn't trust him with confidential information ever again.

Jim lashing out and calling you a shill left you feeling betrayed. I think that's obvious to anyone reading. However, you telling Muscle that Jim was the tester left him feeling just as betrayed, and that should be obvious to you. Neither party is above reproach here. Perhaps if you both step back and cool off, you'll see where the other is coming from. You and Jim have been friends for a long time and it would be a real shame if that ended over someone like Karl and his make-believe GH factory.

So, I've laid it out as I see it, Mands. If that means "I'm next," so be it.

 

[dnml]

Mands, I like you. And because I like you, I'll be straight with you. Given your past statements about generic GH, I was very surprised when you announced your intention to test Karl's GH. However, I never questioned your motives because I had never seen you push sources before, but I did PM you to ask why you would put yourself in this situation knowing it would most certainly lead to the mess we have now. I also told a few members in PM that I believed your motives were pure.

When I found out that you had joined ProMuscle and rajjin had encouraged you to post whore to 50 posts in order to be able to access the lab testing forum, I began to have serious doubts. Then your posts in this thread - where you were trying so hard to make your case - seemed to go beyond merely reporting your results. It looked like you were an advocate rather than an impartial judge. However, to your credit you backed away from that.

And as you mentioned, you could have *publicly* outed Jim for doing the tests and didn't. That alleviated *most* of my suspicions but not all. You're involvement with, and defense of ProMuscle still concerns me, as it would with anyone involved with that site and its moderators. ProMuscle is a cesspool that is responsible for more scams than any other site. It is on par with OLM.

But in spite of all that, because it is you, I am willing to give you more leeway than I would anyone else in your position. Therefore, the question I know you're asking yourself is does CBS believe I'm a shill? The answer is no. But do I believe you are being used and influenced by those who are? Absolutely.

Jim does have a tendency to jump the gun and call shill more than he should. I'm not questioning that. But you have to admit that your recent behavior re Karl is so out of character for you, it's not that much of a stretch for anyone to think something is going on. Especially when you take into account the amount of shit you've taken for Karl. Not many people will put themselves in that position unless there is money involved.

Regarding what you and Jim discussed in PM, that's between you and him. You feel you were in the right to tell Muscle that Jim was doing the test and as I already told you, I do not agree. Muscle releasing on the open what you told him in PM is contemptible and I wouldn't trust him with confidential information ever again.

Jim lashing out and calling you a shill left you feeling betrayed. I think that's obvious to anyone reading. However, you telling Muscle that Jim was the tester left him feeling just as betrayed, and that should be obvious to you. Neither party is above reproach here. Perhaps if you both step back and cool off, you'll see where the other is coming from. You and Jim have been friends for a long time and it would be a real shame if that ended over someone like Karl and his make-believe GH factory.

So, I've laid it out as I see it, Mands. If that means "I'm next," so be it.

You know, I think this is a very honest post from you and that you truly believe this. I agree with 80% of it myself; but the other 20% is so out in left field that I can't help but wonder what is clouding your perception.

For instance, mands testing generic, what do you care what he tests? Iirc he also tested jins and reported those bunk.

Or that he is pushing K's gh, being impartial and trying so hard? That's absurd- you're good at digging up old posts to make your point, show us just one out of 80 pgs that supports this.

Next, the shit he's taken for Karl?? Is clear to all here I think that he has taken shit for himself, not Karl. Oh, and he went to bat for Jim when Jim was taking a lot of shit, what does that count for?

And his comment to you that you're next wasn't a threat to you, he was referring to Jim back stabbing you the next time he misses a dose.

I don't even know mands except briefly from here, and he doesn't need me going to bat for him, but that isn't my purpose here. I just think you're too close to this to see it clearly, and the above demonstrates this.

I think you bring value to the board, and I think you have it wrong here.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You wouldn't know anything about friends because everyone thinks you're a fucking moron. Millard made you look like a fucking fool but you're so god damned stupid, you came crawling back anyway. You're a joke. LMFAO

Yeah he did, and I had the ballz to give him shit right back. Grow some, or better yet take them out of jimbos mouth..FAGGOT!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

She's not into the ethnic thing, so I'm afraid you're out of luck there.

I saw your twink video, IM. You're no 7 inches. Of course Italy adopted the metric system a long time ago so that's 7 cm, not inches. I know you don't know what metric means but believe me, the difference is significant.

BTW You sure are an expert at going ass-to-mouth. I almost puked watching it but you didn't even retch. Oh no! You really enjoyed yourself. You're a real trooper, IM.

Saw your faggot video..You should really consider waxing and get some of that hair off your body. Tan lines are one thing, but hair? YUCK..

http://www.censoredboardssuck.homo.com

Im not into ugly bitches anyways.. I was just going to take one for the team fucking your misses in the ass and then sticking my dick right to her mouth. You know, I do stuff like that for 'Friends'.. LMAO!

 

[graniteman]

Markus - what solution u suggest then ?

I say lets arrange an analytic chemist to make an academic conversation with my professor, there is no way to BS an expert if he asks the right question and spends the time, 100% is never achievable but such expert may have a real opinion.

Why not we find with Millard (for instance) a lab in the USA, some one makes an anonymous order, I post my tests which we agree on, and the lab does so

I think these 2 ideas are thbe closest to take us to the truth.

I think the fact that Dr assclown ignores these suggestions is that as we all have seen is full of ego, full of shit, and full of lies

You guys would know better than me but isn't Lightspan? trained in gc\ms operations?
I don't know if it would be beneficial for a med doc to go up against a chemist in readings , results etc BUT I don't want to speak for Jim.

And Karl, at this point why would you expect anyone to ''buy'' your kits to help you prove your case? You live in a much more testing accessible area than any of us. Post up results and name of center, dates and ALL pertinent info, pics of your samples submitted etc , just black out name of who sent it in. So you burn the one lab for being able to use it again but you prove your case?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Granit - I agree with you, follow my earlier post - I'll post a set of tests which will enable us to try and achieve first GMP approval, and later we aim for a license in east Europe, this will be a wider set of tests then the one my professor make, and what's interesting is that volutarely the lab in charge mentioned today mapping of AA, maybe Dr Jim has a point here. I'll get the set in mail today and post it here, in about 3 weeks it'll be done on a new batch, and we may make cross tests to confirm and asses the data I post

 

[graniteman]

Ive said that from the get go that was Karls biggest mistake tellin ppl he made the gh all it did was create a square hole as to which the community can stick there round peg into.

In the end it served no purpose at all only created more ?ns.

I think there are more problems than that for karl. He just ''launched'' his gh and is already recalling batches? I think this explains the welts and redness, sore muscles. I've pinned a shit ton of chinese generics as wellas USP grade Gh and never had any of those issues.
ANYBODY offering this GH up for re-sale needs to be completely transparent on who and where they got it. It's obvious NO ONE knows what or where this is and Jim has stated more than once he DID NOT release COMPLETE results.

 

[Western-Biotech]

The tests and a mail to communicate with the lab will be posted 2morrow, so we may discuss the tests we'll run in advance and have mutual understanding, and u may ask all questions and then confirm my tests in a random way on the coming batch

 

[graniteman]

god damm CBS do you wear a cheerleader outfit when you stick up for jim so much ?
he fucked up let it go and quit hero worshiping him....

I'm hardly a cheerleader for Jim , can you show me how and where he fucked up? I think many are misreading or not understanding what Jim did and said.
I don't see where he did anything shady or fucked up. Seems he smelt something out and and was waiting , still waiting. on karl to produce his side ? From what I gather he DID NOT release the full test results. Correct me if i am wrong

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Yeah he did, and I had the ballz to give him shit right back. Grow some, or better yet take them out of jimbos mouth..FAGGOT!

Yeah you sure did.

"Millard, sniff, sniff, those bad boys are calling me names and they hurt my little shill feelings, sniff, sniff. And you won't do anything about it. That's just mean, Millard. Sniff. Do you want me to leave? Boo hoo"

ROTFLMFAO!

What a fucking pantywaist you are, IM. That's gonna be your new name - Pantywaist.

 

[muscle96ss]

I'm hardly a cheerleader for Jim , can you show me how and where he fucked up? I think many are misreading or not understanding what Jim did and said.
I don't see where he did anything shady or fucked up. Seems he smelt something out and and was waiting , still waiting. on karl to produce his side ? From what I gather he DID NOT release the full test results. Correct me if i am wrong

Gman, your a good dude and I know you have good intentions, but you are completely wrong. I have read the thread from beginning to end as I have been an active participant since the beginning. With the things that people are saying it is clear that people have only read certain portions of the thread or skimmed over it. Anyone who has read this thread and thinks that Jim did not do anything shady is either a sociopath and this kind of shit is normal for them or they have a severe reading comprehension problem. I know its a lot of pages but believe me when you read it knowing that Jim is the one who did the tests it is actually entertaining(and shady as fuck, clear as day).

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

CBS I have a serious question for you...

Do you think Jim has been in anyway deceitful ever in this thread?

Just a simple yes or no answer will suffice.

mands

As I said in my other post, I don't know what you and Jim discussed in PM so I can't comment on that.

That said, I've seen Jim twist words and meaning with the skill of a cunning linguist in order to make his point, but outright deception? No, not at all.