Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

You guys would know better than me but isn't Lightspan? trained in gc\ms operations?
I don't know if it would be beneficial for a med doc to go up against a chemist in readings , results etc BUT I don't want to speak for Jim.

I don't know what your referring to in the statement "a chemist challenging a practicing physician".

Any chemist SHOULD be MUCH MUCH MUCH more knowledgeable in the field of analytical chemistry than a practicing physician, and that certainly includeds me.

However EVERY SINGLE objection I've made regarding K analyses have been reluctantly confirmed by Ks "professor".

That's correct not only does Ks SDS-PAGE reveal a MW that approximates 19Kd, 3Kd lower than legit GH, it's of such a poor quality any purity estimates would have a marked margin of error (around 20-40%).

Also the copies of the three to four chromatographs are of such poor quality, no conclusions about purity can or should be determined,

(Once again since the X and Y axis and narrative type set are NOT at all perceptible, any conclusions reached using this data would contain gross errors)

LS has been on this thread earlier and he also agrees a AA and trypsin peptide cleavage analysis is required for conclusive proof any sample is indeed rHGH

We discussed a few other issues by PM yet I don't recall any substantive areas of disagreement.


Again the fact is K professor agreed with my assertion the existing testing by K was fully inadequate yet we disagreed whether an AA or TPC analysis was not necessary.



Indeed that's correct for a R & D lab, both tests are definitely required for any PHARM lab to reach purity standards set forth by the WHO and FDA.

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[old bro]

You know what's comical here?

I myself could fly out and visit the facility producing gh. Take pics and explain to everyone what I experienced. Take vials straight from the lab manufacturing the gh. Bring them back to the states do a serum test on them and have them tested and still people would say no way Karl manufactured this.

mands

This is very true thats why i say at this point what really matters is does K have actuall gh an is it safe for human use anything out side of that matters little to me.

 

[old bro]

You guys would know better than me but isn't Lightspan? trained in gc\ms operations?
I don't know if it would be beneficial for a med doc to go up against a chemist in readings , results etc BUT I don't want to speak for Jim.

And Karl, at this point why would you expect anyone to ''buy'' your kits to help you prove your case? You live in a much more testing accessible area than any of us. Post up results and name of center, dates and ALL pertinent info, pics of your samples submitted etc , just black out name of who sent it in. So you burn the one lab for being able to use it again but you prove your case?

At this point any test K puts out most are gonna call shinanigins.

 

[biggerben69]

At this moment in time what bothers me the most, praying for the heads of many, is the venue chosen for posting test results and where karl believes his master plan will receive the push it needs to return him to his former glory.
Returning to the scene of the largest and longest running GH crimes is what convinced karl to get into bed with big A and the supporting cast of characters. I can see all the scum bags nodding their heads with sleazy smiles on their fat fucking faces.
All Big a and his LT rajjin had to do was put on paper to make it easy to see how long each scam ran along the list of posts giving the "gtg" stamp of approval by kilo klub members and the others that provide layers of lies and support and keep the raping of members going for what has been disgusting to watch over the yrs.
I've watched what I thought was the end of a gh scam there be brought back to life with an expertly planned attack on guys trying to reach members and stop the bleeding using fear, lies, and threats ranging from being kicked off the board and out of the community to more personal threats. The result was new life being infused and the Gravy Train picking up momentum again.
Promuscle is modeled after and easily the most accurate example of Organized Crime in action every day. PM provides real life definitions to words like racketeering and collusion as well as extortion and could give lessons on how to use fear and intimidation to keep the people in the money and make an example out of decent people wanting to help the average member not in the loop quiet and obedient and part of the Machine.
After trouble makers are rooted out and rounded up and they are insulted and lies posted about them and any accomplices discovered they are taken to a part of promuscle that only the banished have access too. There they are mocked and given a warning to take out to the rest of the community. The way they(myself italianmuscle, etc)were spoken to on line turns even more disturbing. These criminals are the same as street thugs. They want you to know that they know exactly what's going on and that there isn't anything anyone can do about it. They gloat in the power they believe they have. It gets personal and rub it in the faces of people there.
I was in this part of pm after being banned with IM by rajjin for calling out Horizon and Pacman in what had to be the biggest gh scam to date. I happened to be there when one of their own was sacrificed for the greater good. Osiris was begging and pleading for his membership as it gives him and the other garbage people a haven and venue to extort and run roughshod through people.
Osiris went to far and got too greedy and brought unwanted attention to the organization. He took hundreds of thousands of dollars(retail but still impressive) from sources there. Most notably an IP guy.
This is all seen as serving the community to the paid. I've got to go but will say this and hope it serves as a prophecy....Karl's seems to be a bit late in trying to cash in on the gh scam and wants to jump on what has to be a well worn routine.
He's come up with a more elaborate but IMO silly premise that he's on the lines of a Phizers. Please. What, the refunds being given now are voluntary recalls that the big shots do?
The independent tests and integrity of samples and testers along with the amount of money to up for the taking cannot ensure anything but more profits for these people.
Laughable, yet in my opinion deserving of the stiffest of punishment.
Ego's can be the undoing of some in circumstances similar to these. I encourage that if this turns into a fiasco and karl is humiliated that he take the honorable way out of this and using proper technique hangs himself using a door in the basement of whatever shit hole osiris is existing in. If you do, Karl, I'll do my best to tell the honorable ending to your life is in stark contrast to the years prior and how greed turned a once regular man into a money worshiping low life. Deal?
I've got more to say and truths to tell but i gotta get going.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Yeah you sure did.

"Millard, sniff, sniff, those bad boys are calling me names and they hurt my little shill feelings, sniff, sniff. And you won't do anything about it. That's just mean, Millard. Sniff. Do you want me to leave? Boo hoo"

ROTFLMFAO!

What a fucking pantywaist you are, IM. That's gonna be your new name - Pantywaist.

jims new nickname.. lying assclown

cbs new name.. ball washer

At least members are finally seeing this..LMFAO!! Gurgle Gurgle Gurgle..

god damm CBS do you wear a cheerleader outfit when you stick up for jim so much ?
he fucked up let it go and quit hero worshiping him....

 

[mands]

Mands, I like you. And because I like you, I'll be straight with you. Given your past statements about generic GH, I was very surprised when you announced your intention to test Karl's GH. However, I never questioned your motives because I had never seen you push sources before, but I did PM you to ask why you would put yourself in this situation knowing it would most certainly lead to the mess we have now. I also told a few members in PM that I believed your motives were pure.

When I found out that you had joined ProMuscle and rajjin had encouraged you to post whore to 50 posts in order to be able to access the lab testing forum, I began to have serious doubts. Then your posts in this thread - where you were trying so hard to make your case - seemed to go beyond merely reporting your results. It looked like you were an advocate rather than an impartial judge. However, to your credit you backed away from that.

And as you mentioned, you could have *publicly* outed Jim for doing the tests and didn't. That alleviated *most* of my suspicions but not all. You're involvement with, and defense of ProMuscle still concerns me, as it would with anyone involved with that site and its moderators. ProMuscle is a cesspool that is responsible for more scams than any other site. It is on par with OLM.

But in spite of all that, because it is you, I am willing to give you more leeway than I would anyone else in your position. Therefore, the question I know you're asking yourself is does CBS believe I'm a shill? The answer is no. But do I believe you are being used and influenced by those who are? Absolutely.

Jim does have a tendency to jump the gun and call shill more than he should. I'm not questioning that. But you have to admit that your recent behavior re Karl is so out of character for you, it's not that much of a stretch for anyone to think something is going on. Especially when you take into account the amount of shit you've taken for Karl. Not many people will put themselves in that position unless there is money involved.

Regarding what you and Jim discussed in PM, that's between you and him. You feel you were in the right to tell Muscle that Jim was doing the test and as I already told you, I do not agree. Muscle releasing on the open what you told him in PM is contemptible and I wouldn't trust him with confidential information ever again.

Jim lashing out and calling you a shill left you feeling betrayed. I think that's obvious to anyone reading. However, you telling Muscle that Jim was the tester left him feeling just as betrayed, and that should be obvious to you. Neither party is above reproach here. Perhaps if you both step back and cool off, you'll see where the other is coming from. You and Jim have been friends for a long time and it would be a real shame if that ended over someone like Karl and his make-believe GH factory.

So, I've laid it out as I see it, Mands. If that means "I'm next," so be it.

I was referring to you being next being betrayed by Jim. Hope that's clear.

Again told muscle I had a friend helping me out two weeks before I ever sent samples to Jim. And again Jim told me after the fact he didn't want to be involved. But now he wants to be the official tester at MESO. Lol

I would of have done the same thing of the test were shit. This is getting old.

mands

 

[mands]

Oh please MANDS you used me to help K sell this GH, it's that simple.

Bc if that wasn't the case you would have posted the data and walked away, allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Later discussing and agreeing to a course of action which is not only informative but forthright, with that individual who performed those tests.

No instead you continued to boast the results in an effort to convince others you had found a generic GH worth purchasing.

All in spite of K never posting evidence that supported his claims.

Did it ever occur to you perhaps K slipped you PH grade GH to use you to promote sales.

The fact is I'm still not sure that's not the case considering the dearth of analytical data K has revealed.

Heck why don't you believe something is wrong with this picture, K is making GH but has NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

(Yea IW I'm the one responsible for revealing that possibility and with damn good reason so if that's stirring some pot, I hope to do much more of it.)

So MANDS you say you don't care how K obtained the GH you received as long as it's quality is "good"!

Well does a good GH product cause limping for 24-48 hours, does good GH include supportive evidence? Most would obviously say HELL NO AND DAMN RIGHT!

Would it not also be optimal to TRUST those your purchasing ANY PED from?

Your incessant pushing of this product onto Meso members upon Ks introduction, your indifference towards the meaning of what many would consider a quality product certainly make me (and many other) believe you had or have a vested interest in it's sales.

Crap MANDS I came about this WB thread by accident since you didn't even bother to tell me you had posted the data which I asked you to do before hand. Why? Bc I wanted to ensure it was explained correctly and thoroughly

So that one person your looking for, is ME.

It's odd how some have completely overlooked your duplicitous behavior with regard to this GH, but we both know you have been much less than honest about your intentions and IMO you did it for money or product.

Jim this is my last post explaining to you what we discussed via PM or email. You knew the sample I sent you was from Karl because I stared it before you tested it. You knew I would post the results from it and the Jintropin sample. I told you know matter the outcome I would post the results as you asked me if I would.

So I'm confused how such an intelligent person like yourself would use this as your argument.

I even told you before you had it tested and results came back that I thought the gh was one of the best I have ran. You then came back later and said, best gh you ever ran Huh mands? Damn right it is cause it's consistent with pharm grade gh. Do I need to post that email?

Another thing... Paranoid much. My random order of 400ius just happened to contain re-bottled pharm grade gh. Hahahaha oh lord.

Oh and another thing... You mentioned in an earlier post that you never asked me to defend you or have your back? I'm not sure the exact words. Well more lies from you. I have more than one PM from you asking for my help. Do I need to post them up as well.

Oh oh and another thing... Me sit back and let "let the chips fall where they may" after I posted the tests? I pretty much did exactly that and let you and others turn this thread into a circus like usual.

Oh oh oh and one other thing... I guess "many" wanna know why I am interested in Karl or whoever it may be supplying good gh. The reason is simple. We have been fucked over by the Chinese for years and years. A ton of brothers have spent hard earned cash on bunk gh. I want this changed. My sero supply might run out one day. And when it does I want to be able to buy good gh at a good price. Well there you go the cat's outta the bag. There's my reason. It's Not because(you think) I'm making money or screwing friends for money(Still waiting on that challenge from you) but, simple for my above reasons. Guess that makes me a shill.

mands

 

[mands]

As I said in my other post, I don't know what you and Jim discussed in PM so I can't comment on that.

That said, I've seen Jim twist words and meaning with the skill of a cunning linguist in order to make his point, but outright deception? No, not at all.

So you do agree.
de·ceit·ful
diˈsētfəl/
adjective

1. guilty of or involving deceit; deceiving or misleading others.
   "such an act would have been deceitful and irresponsible"
   synonyms:dishonest, untruthful,mendacious, insincere, false,disingenuous, untrustworthy,unscrupulous, unprincipled, two-faced, Janus-faced, duplicitous,double-dealing, underhanded,crafty, cunning, sly, scheming,calculating, treacherous,Machiavellian, sneaky, tricky,foxy, crooked
   

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Jim this is my last post explaining to you what we discussed via PM or email. You knew the sample I sent you was from Karl because I stared it before you tested it. You knew I would post the results from it and the Jintropin sample. I told you know matter the outcome I would post the results as you asked me if I would.

So I'm confused how such an intelligent person like yourself would use this as your argument.

I even told you before you had it tested and results came back that I thought the gh was one of the best I have ran. You then came back later and said, best gh you ever ran Huh mands? Damn right it is cause it's consistent with pharm grade gh. Do I need to post that email?

Another thing... Paranoid much. My random order of 400ius just happened to contain re-bottled pharm grade gh. Hahahaha oh lord.

Oh and another thing... You mentioned in an earlier post that you never asked me to defend you or have your back? I'm not sure the exact words. Well more lies from you. I have more than one PM from you asking for my help. Do I need to post them up as well.

Oh oh and another thing... Me sit back and let "let the chips fall where they may" after I posted the tests? I pretty much did exactly that and let you and others turn this thread into a circus like usual.

Oh oh oh and one other thing... I guess "many" wanna know why I am interested in Karl or whoever it may be supplying good gh. The reason is simple. We have been fucked over by the Chinese for years and years. A ton of brothers have spent hard earned cash on bunk gh. I want this changed. My sero supply might run out one day. And when it does I want to be able to buy good gh at a good price. Well there you go the cat's outta the bag. There's my reason. It's Not because(you think) I'm making money or screwing friends for money(Still waiting on that challenge from you) but, simple for my above reasons. Guess that makes me a shill.

mands

Post the PMs and emails. This will put the nail in the coffin that jimbo is a lying decietful piece of shit..

 

[Dr JIM]

I was referring to you being next being betrayed by Jim. Hope that's clear.

Again told muscle I had a friend helping me out two weeks before I ever sent samples to Jim. And again Jim told me after the fact he didn't want to be involved. But now he wants to be the official tester at MESO. Lol

I would of have done the same thing of the test were shit. This is getting old.

mands

Oh MANDS why do you insist. You even showed that clown some of our emails LONG AFTER I had asked you to shut the yap. Or are you saying your "friend" MH is a liar?

But like a kid with a new toy you just could not resist becoming popular on a new forum, by playing toys with some newly discovered friends.

Please expound my betrayal of you MANDS, give it your best shot. I simply called you out for sharing with an unknown information that was privileged

Furthermore if you did tell MH before hand why didn't you let me know until NOW?


JUST SLIPPED YOUR mind as being relevant? Right, try again!

Bc I have no damn vested interest here unlike those whom are involved in Karl's profit for product train.

People from PM come to Meso to "protect K" because he is such as great guy, right, NOT!

When he succeeds so do they and it's that simple, it's unfortunate you were the next sucker to follow that path.

Oh and that lab you keep referring to as a means of ensuring my early retirement, will if that's the case I'll be working until I'm 100 since I've not made one cents yet and that includes Ks GH test

Pathetic!

 

[mands]

It's like talking to a 3 year old. I have already discussed this with you on open forum. Go back and read.

LONG emails? I sent him a PM two weeks or more before I even sent you samples telling him you were going to help me out with testing. I sound like a fucking broken record. Only emails were shared was the test meant and nothing else. I did not send any correspondence/PM's?emails between us Jim.

They aren't protecting K they want the truth. Something you like to avoid.

Please still waiting on my challenge to you Jim. Show the community where I'm getting money and screwing friends for money.

You are correct!!! Very pathetic!

mands

 

[MassTurk]

@Dr JIM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
You are wasting our time due to
Your ego. I wish you would insert your knowledge to this community like you said you wanted to, instead of playing games with all for the sake of your own egoistic persona.

 

[dealer]

Please still waiting on my challenge to you Jim. Show the community where I'm getting money and screwing friends for money.

mands

Mands, the HGH passed 2 tests but Karl is being made to jump through more hoops and thats fine. The more the better.

Nobody thinks your screwing over the community. Including Doc Jim I am sure. But your also a vet with a respected opinion. When you suggest something or partly promote (even without you knowing your enthusiasm or desire for this to work out), people start buying.

When you first promoted BIO, the wave that followed was huge (i was caught up in it too) and that didn't work out very well (not your fault in the end).

Some people want to minimize Karl's sales (JohnnyBallz) from occurring until everything checks out ok and they have valid reasons to do so.

Ultimately, nobody will be able to stop Karl from getting sales as he passes more tests. You've posted your tests. I know you have an established e-rep but your taking this way too personal I think. Just sit back and cool off and deal with your issues via PM with an intermediary if you need to.

 

[mands]

Mands, the HGH passed 2 tests but Karl is being made to jump through more hoops and thats fine. The more the better.

Nobody thinks your screwing over the community. Including Doc Jim I am sure. But your also a vet with a respected opinion. When you suggest something or partly promote (even without you knowing your enthusiasm or desire for this to work out), people start buying.

When you first promoted BIO, the wave that followed was huge (i was caught up in it too) and that didn't work out very well (not your fault in the end).

Some people want to minimize Karl's sales (JohnnyBallz) from occurring until everything checks out ok and they have valid reasons to do so.

Ultimately, nobody will be able to stop Karl from getting sales as he passes more tests. You've posted your tests. I know you have an established e-rep but your taking this way too personal I think. Just sit back and cool off and deal with your issues via PM with an intermediary if you need to.

No need to deal via PM I'm done. I'm actually cooled off and waiting for Karl to produce what he says he can.

I'm sorry I lash out when I see lies and someone accusing me of something I did not do.

I do appreciate your insight and I do see your point.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

It's like talking to a 3 year old. I have already discussed this with you on open forum. Go back and read.

LONG emails? I sent him a PM two weeks or more before I even sent you samples telling him you were going to help me out with testing. I sound like a fucking broken record. Only emails were shared was the test meant and nothing else. I did not send any correspondence/PM's?emails between us Jim.

They aren't protecting K they want the truth. Something you like to avoid.

Please still waiting on my challenge to you Jim. Show the community where I'm getting money and screwing friends for money.

You are correct!!! Very pathetic!

mands

Oh if you want to play some tit for tat game enjoy, I've said enough as have CBS and BB.

Enjoy your new friends of that forum " I don't know shit about". I do hope you awaken from your fantasy before it's to late.

Jim

 

[muscle96ss]

Bc I have no damn vested interest here unlike those whom are involved in Karl's profit for product train.

People from PM come to Meso to "protect K" because he is such as great guy, right, NOT!

When he succeeds so do they and it's that simple, it's unfortunate you were the next sucker to follow that path.

To suggest that I have any role in Karl making profits is ridiculous. I am actually still owed product at this point and at no time during any of my posts have I not actually been at a loss. However, the communication with Karl has been excellent and I am comfortable in what is transpiring so I don't worry about it. In addition, I have discussed several times in this thread why I am here, what has transpired, and where I stand. I have said both good and bad about Karl. I am not here to protect anyone or support anything other than finding out answers and getting to the truth; something that seems to not matter to people here. In fact I have never been under any sources payroll before and don't plan to be; that goes against what I do on the boards. In fact, I have had 2 sponsors ask me to serum test their GH over the past couple of months and offered a bunch of freebies for doing it. In both cases I turned them down because I believe they are scammers and I don't want them sending me good GH and then using my test to make a bunch of sales and the running of with peoples money when they scam. If I am not comfortable with the seller I am not going to put my reputation at risk. Anybody who knows me from PM knows what I stand for and how I operate. So I understand that Dr. Jim wants to protect the community, but he has already made his mind up and is too stubborn to look at things from a non-biased perspective and work together with people to get answers. Thats the bottom line. He has me pegged wrong, he has mands pegged wrong and is making accusations about a former friend without truly looking at the facts,
and he has Karl pegged wrong because Karl doesn't have the greatest social skills and english is not his primary langauge so he appears evasive at times. Now we can keep on bickering and fighting amongst ourselves and accomplish absolutely nothing or we can work together as a team and give Karl an opportunity to prove that he does or doesn't make is own GH. And showing tests or not showing tests isn't going to prove anything, I think we all can agree.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Oh if you want to play some tit for tat game enjoy, I've said enough as have CBS and BB.

Enjoy your new friends of that forum " I don't know shit about". I do hope you awaken from your fantasy before it's to late.

Jim

Actually no one has been able to understand cbs for the past week. He has your nuts in his mouth and is still trying to swallow..
Get the fuck off this forum. Maybe ask to be a mod at eroids or ProMuscle.. And maybe those guys will stroke your inflated ego.

 

[Dr JIM]

Actually no one has been able to understand cbs for the past week. He has your nuts in his mouth and is still trying to swallow..
Get the fuck off this forum. Maybe ask to be a mod at eroids or ProMuscle.. And maybe those guys will stroke your inflated ego.

Hey IM KISS MY ASS

Oh what's that you say, silenced again!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Hey IM KISS MY ASS

Oh what's that you say, silenced again!

I thought I was on your ignore list?? I guess that was also a fucking lie.

Take care jimbo the lying assclown..

 

[Dr JIM]

@Dr JIM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
You are wasting our time due to
Your ego. I wish you would insert your knowledge to this community like you said you wanted to, instead of playing games with all for the sake of your own egoistic persona.

Sorry fella there is not one LEGIT BB who doesn't have an ego issue with muscle mine is indeed a little different since it involves 16 years of post high school education, and I'm perfectly happy with that and have no intentions of changing so get over it.