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It's just nothing to worry about kido. Next time mix it with 3/4ths tsp of gatorade, one milligram of MEASURED table salt, one hog hair and slam it home IM
But hey did you ever get any bloods?
The same could be said of u going against him from the beginning. All u have done is witch Hunt and use deception and turn on your friend. Yet you are so worried u are just testing out in the open for every Tom dick and Harry now aren't u? But mands sold u out? Laughable at best . Doc
psychowhitekenny
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I believed in him in the beginning, but after trying this stuff there's something very wrong with it. Some thing that can make a serum test look high but not be real hgh. Sorry karl, I believed in you in the beginning. After trying your products I'm sad to say you let me down. Buyer beware. No reason to get bloods. I know every time, from genos to generics how the stuff affects me. This is not hgh. Likely some shifty igf bullshit
graniteman
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Pip from gh? Issues with amounts vs side effects? And your using yourself and your wife as guinea pigs for a guy with a dirty ass lab in that pic? I've pinned tons of chinese and USP Gh and never had even close to these reactions
I don't know but to me watching, gleaning it sure as hell seems someone is pimping karls gh real hard. I fnot wh y the Vehement defense? Don't try to bring ALP into it as most know ALP is legit and ALL know Pro-M is garbage
Question for Jim, FOR CLARITY TO ALL. As I understand it you did NOT release the complete results of your test of karls gh? My understanding is you DID NOT. I fully understand and agree if you did NOT release the final results.
Western-Biotech
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Granit - We tested each batch by our standards, in contrast to any GH supplier we released the results, we stand behind them, and I've replied to any comment. You're the guina pigs every time u order from China, and Dr Jim's tests showed it as well
Dr Jim's results on the Somastim were quite conclusive, u have to ask Mands on the exact details.
More tests are done on the new batch, among them some full mapping of amino acids, I translate to u to English the info I got, I'll post the exact spec of the tests very soon
The mission of all of us is simple now - make Random testings on the new batch, I know as a fact that members here will get it. I'll submit my tests results to any 3rd party u trust, you test the product yourself, we compare and confirm.
In order for u to asses my ability to test immediately any GH you may send me samples of other GH so I test them in my QA unit.
we may do it on a regular basis as a QA measure dedicated to this forum
Dr Jim's results on the Somastim were quite conclusive, u have to ask Mands on the exact details.
More tests are done on the new batch, among them some full mapping of amino acids, I translate to u to English the info I got, I'll post the exact spec of the tests very soon
The mission of all of us is simple now - make Random testings on the new batch, I know as a fact that members here will get it. I'll submit my tests results to any 3rd party u trust, you test the product yourself, we compare and confirm.
In order for u to asses my ability to test immediately any GH you may send me samples of other GH so I test them in my QA unit.
we may do it on a regular basis as a QA measure dedicated to this forum
psychowhitekenny
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Yah but why the knots in my stomach? Pharma doesn't do this! Something is wrong with your production. I honestly believe Karl makes this stuff unlike some of you guys believe. I just think he's making it wrong.
Western-Biotech
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You got the first batch if this is your report, the potency and purity is tested and confirmed, some allergic reaction may happen in some individuals though rare and goes away fast.
I PMed u in order to locate the order and solve any issue
I PMed u in order to locate the order and solve any issue
I did not. Why? Because I thought the result would be used to further support the sales of an unproven product and Im damn glad those results are not a part of this fiasco!
What am I suggesting? Karl released pharm grade GH to a select few and bunk to the majority.
F me I've received 7 requests
"to sample this junk, stuff, GHRF, bunk" and three more with the same request "so K will have to give me a REFUND NOT MORE GH"
But maybe MH and UFC wanna chime in hear and lend a truthful synopsis!
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muscle96ss
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I have responded to everything you have just expressed concerns to on numerous occasions. No, the GH should not cause the PIP reactions; would you like me to say it for the 10th time. Does mean that its dirty? HOW THE FUCK CAN IT BE DIRTY YET NOT CAUSE INFECTIONS? PLEASE ANSWER THIS BEFORE YOU POST THIS ONE MORE FUCKING TIME!! Secondly, I am not pimping Karls GH, read my post from today where I explain it for the millionth time why I am defending Karl in certain arenas(and not in others). Karl has proven thus far that he has high quality GH, that is not an issue and even some that support Jim have agreed with me on this. However, Karl has not proven that he manufactures it himself from scratch. Neither has anyone proven that he does not make it from scratch. There is a shitload of speculation and accusations in this thread with no factual proof and it is filled with lies and deceit. I believe that if we want the truth we need to work together with Karl to get the truth and quit labeling anyone that says anything supportive about Karl as a shill and meaningless and anyone that supports Dr. Jim as if their words are gospel and unbiased. You guys complain about what goes on at other boards and here we have a prime example of the exact same thing happening at Meso. Jeez, give the guy a fucking chance. What have you got to lose? I am not saying tell the members to buy his GH, but work with him to get answers before you shoot him down. We have all seen how fucked up the GH scene is and how poor the quality is. What if he is able to provide high quality GH? Wouldn't that be something worthwhile? Why is everybody so stubborn and closed minded here. Seriously, in the million years that I have been on the boards(not a million but it seems like that), has anyone EVER seen me have an agenda or get paid off by a source before? Has anyone ever seen a scenario where I someone accused me of being a shill before. You got a couple good veteran guys here who see things differently then others and who have great reputations. Doesn't that suggest to you that you should investigate further before casting judgement? Lets quit being so stubborn and biased and start using some logic.
muscle96ss
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In other words, the tests of his GH would actually make it look good and you didn't want people to think that it actually might be good. Its tough to argue against something once you have tested it and its proven to be good, huh?
muscle96ss
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So what did your test of these peoples sample show? There have been numerous serum tests done and not one of them has come back bad as I stated earlier. There is no way that peptides or bunk would cause that high of a serum test 3 hours later. In addition, everyones has reported the same appearance of the GH in the vials, and the same reactions. My PM box over at PM exploded when people received the first batch and NOT ONE of them said anything like what Jim is saying. Why don't you test those samples and prove that there isn't the same GH in them as mands's sample? Wouldn't that resolve this whole thread and shut it down permanently since it obviously isn't GH? Yes, thats a challenge. Like I have said before, actions not words. Anyone can make accusations but proving them to be true is what really matters. Here is another way for Jim to find the truth and end these games. Lets see what happens. I'm not psychic, but I am pretty sure I already know the answer.
muscle96ss
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Interesting. I just replied to this quote and Dr. Jim had posted that he recieved 10 requests. Now a few minutes later it is down to 7 requests. I am going to bed, maybe it will be down to 1 or 0 by the time I wake up. Does Jim have trouble counting to 10? Did 3 people just withdraw their requests? Was Jim trying to deceive us yet again? How about an explanation(probably won't get one because Jim can say what he wants and doesn't have to prove anything like everybody else cause Jim wouldn't deceive people; oh wait, what happened this entire thread).
How do I know what? You're sounding like karl or people that have a vested interest in karl and his gh working out and being distibuted all over. I thought you were more about the people not being taken for their hard earned money by people out to make as much as they can off of us?
Months ago when you came out at AB with the labmax results you had my attention and felt like you helped not only score one for the good guys(the community) but be responsible for helping make the playing field even where source and the regular guy play ball.
Listen...I'm not one of the people that supports and wants drugs legalized. Why? Because it would take the means to which family members of mine support their offspring. What I do support is a market(black as it may be) that is safe as can be and not run by unscrupulous men with no regard to the safety and well being of the citizens that are the market.
I like mands and spoke to him today in regards to another issue. I don't give a fuck what he's doing as far as testing or whatever . That;s not my area of expertise or what i;m passionate about. Mands is my dog. My thing is keeping the bloodsucking vermin that have no connection or concern to us outside of making them money. Its the kid/man/female that logs on for the first time and reads posts at ironman or eroids or that monster pm and is sold on slick talk and fucking bullshit and is ripped off. The thieves laugh while they count their take and call it paying dues. I call it ammo to fuel hatred and aggression for them when they are caught.
96...you asking for proof from me is exactly what i thought you knew was not what my get down is about and has me thinking you've sold out. You sound like a shit politician that stands on his records and demands facts and assumes the bloodsuckers should enjoy the protection that comes from being supported by paid for vets and boards like pm that offer a haven for liars and thieves as well as owners that give them moderator controls over their own threads to keep negative posts and truths about unhappy customers under the guise of the poster not following board rules that are slanted and exist only to support the sources paying the fee demanded by the board owner.
Months ago when you came out at AB with the labmax results you had my attention and felt like you helped not only score one for the good guys(the community) but be responsible for helping make the playing field even where source and the regular guy play ball.
Listen...I'm not one of the people that supports and wants drugs legalized. Why? Because it would take the means to which family members of mine support their offspring. What I do support is a market(black as it may be) that is safe as can be and not run by unscrupulous men with no regard to the safety and well being of the citizens that are the market.
I like mands and spoke to him today in regards to another issue. I don't give a fuck what he's doing as far as testing or whatever . That;s not my area of expertise or what i;m passionate about. Mands is my dog. My thing is keeping the bloodsucking vermin that have no connection or concern to us outside of making them money. Its the kid/man/female that logs on for the first time and reads posts at ironman or eroids or that monster pm and is sold on slick talk and fucking bullshit and is ripped off. The thieves laugh while they count their take and call it paying dues. I call it ammo to fuel hatred and aggression for them when they are caught.
96...you asking for proof from me is exactly what i thought you knew was not what my get down is about and has me thinking you've sold out. You sound like a shit politician that stands on his records and demands facts and assumes the bloodsuckers should enjoy the protection that comes from being supported by paid for vets and boards like pm that offer a haven for liars and thieves as well as owners that give them moderator controls over their own threads to keep negative posts and truths about unhappy customers under the guise of the poster not following board rules that are slanted and exist only to support the sources paying the fee demanded by the board owner.
With all the madness associated with this thread and subject as a whole it's easy to overlook how silly the posts can get from the sources and how stupid they believe us to be.
When these guys play the role of "Senior Quality Control" or make claims about 3rd parties and the "strict standards" they adhere to and mock their competition and make accusations that when made of them they demand proof and are insulted beyond comprehension because that's the reaction they believe someone would make if they had to defend themselves in real life someplace.
It sounds like they think they have the formula just right this time? Guess its time for a press release?
These claims made and the integrity these guys claim to have is nonsense and the standards they hold themselves to don't exist. I know I know...where's my proof.
If any reasonable person was brought into this and had to decide if the claims made by this phantom pharmaceutical giant along with the stories they want us to take as truths without any proof as to the origins of karl's company(nevermind day to day operations now) which if was a Phizers or any legit Pharma co. is beyond the ability allowed by the laws of nature because of the time frame we're dealing with.
Then my belief that what happened here with these UGL's we see every day selling gear telling us they have clandestine labs with men in white lab coats and "standards" they hold themselves to as being the day to day whoppers we hear about being accepted as a possible long stretch from the truth of what is reality but because of the relative simplicity of what has to be done to accomplish the feat of taking raw steroid powder and getting them in vials to sell is tolerated to a degree by the masses.
That compared to what karl is wanting us to believe would have karl being so arrogant and out of touch because it's so far out when we consider what must go into building a place like phizer or Bayer from the ground up and the capital required to begin a project on the requires scale is just not possible. Never mind the scientists the laborers the board of directors and on and on. WWE scripts written by a group of greedy criminals that have only one objective. For us to believe the story.
Just a year ago Karl came here to meso to confront one of his reshippers and brewers of his gear that had decided karl wasn't a good boss and that he was doing all the work while karl collected an unfair share of profits.
We saw pictures of the set up. Vials and labels and the rest laid out on a kitchen table. The guy was angry and simply relabeled the scirroxx as his own and took karls customers.
That's reality. That's the scale of the operation we're dealing with. Karl would have us believe he now boards company jets and has a acres of land that make up the multi million dollar...would be billions if anywhere close to reality..compound. It;s silly and absurd. The WWE is in need of the imaginations these people have. Does anyone dispute what i say here and still gonna wait for quarterly reports so earnings can be factored in here. Lol.Wake up.
dnml
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Hold on a minute. You mean there isn't going to be an IPO?!?! Fack...
old bro
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Honestly 80+ pages into this i highly doubt any one thinks k makes these at most even the so called supporters have only agreed that it in fact is gh. An for the most part until theres actuall evidence which tbh is impossible to prove the only thing left to care about is if it stays legit gh.
Now from what i know there are labs in asia that will top them weigh them out and even lable them the way you want. Im not sayin for sure this is whats happen but more then likely.
But in the end after all the fighting reports bloods an tests i dont think any one thinks theres a bayer like facility selling black market hormones at an extreme cost reduction. Just my 2 cents with the info we have.
Now from what i know there are labs in asia that will top them weigh them out and even lable them the way you want. Im not sayin for sure this is whats happen but more then likely.
But in the end after all the fighting reports bloods an tests i dont think any one thinks theres a bayer like facility selling black market hormones at an extreme cost reduction. Just my 2 cents with the info we have.
I'm going to make this clear for the 20th time since Jim can speak on a doctorate level but yet he sure can't listen. Before all this I have never talked or ordered from Karl and I've never used a sciroxx product before this. I've been looking for the answers like most ordinary people would but I also believe treating someone fairly is also the best way to go about this. I've been fucked over from bad gh like most people and I've used decent gh. Bottom line if I post the results u can decide for urself if u Want to believe them or I'll just Tell u . No this can't be karls gh it's the new magic trick I'm injecting to make gh levels go up 20x the normal level.
Who's BB? And he posted serum levels? Are you talking about @bodybuilder_fl ? Jim you know he joined about a month ago and every single post is in this thread but one. But, he's a MESO member? @ufcguy32 came over about the same time but, he's not trustworthy to put up a serum test? lol Come one man. Why is he not a MESO member too? Cause he's a member at PM? Last time I looked you are a member at PM Jim...
@bodybuilder_fl this is no disrespect to you just trying to make a point. I had the same problem with some of the vials of the first batch shooting subQ and IM if the gh seemed to be broken up and spider webbed looking. But, these were the ones I sent to Jim for testing and did the serum test on. This is what I stated all along and that's what I reported.
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