Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[muscle96ss]

If he has quality control over it. Why is it still garbage?

Please define garbage. The GH itself is top quality as per Dr. Jims tests but the inactive ingredients still needs to be perfected to allow smooth large volume injections. The second batch is much better than the first but still needs improving. Karl is aware of the issue and has assured me that when he sends the remainder of what he still owes me from my order back in March(which is why I can't believe people are questioning my integrity), that it will be completely resolved.

 

[biggerben69]

96...with all due respect, in regards to the gh/karl thing would you please not pm me any further? The more you talk about it and the more you draw on whatever well of confidence surrounding your ability to influence people that whomever it is you are working so hard to satisfy has you believing in, the desired effect is lost on me.
Look. Maybe you thought this was your moment to shine and you accepted the task that was given you by karl and maybe big a as a challenge to see where you could take it.
Your remark about my seeming belief of a gh conspiracy after all we know went down at your new spot and your scoffing as though these things didn't happen is troubling.
Your ability to be nowhere near as effective an orator while having the side your on decided before the truths are known to more of us outside of the circle of thieves you seem enthralled with leaves you at a disadvantage. Your inability to deceive enough to keep your people sitting pretty and my being able to see the forced effort is embarrassing and at the same time lets me know that you weren't made to be a puppet and your instincts for the truth are sharp and haven't deserted you. Hopefully you'll be back.
You claiming to have behind the scenes info and having an exclusive audience to big A and are satisfied that karl is going to stick around for a while is either a sign of your grasping at things and beliefs you think i have and your thinking a sentence about something big a told u neither impresses me or gives me confidence that this thing is anything more than you all getting ready for an assault.
Also, telling me all you have to do is hit rajjin up if you believe there to be a scammer or problem and he edits or bans the posts and member without questioning you cuz you know what to look for confirms to me once again how things go over there. Imagine if you were lining rajjins pockets every day how much influence you'd have over what the rest of us read. It's reprehensible and tells me that you've moved on from truth and non censorship to infomercials. It's a sad day.
Your claiming that coming to meso before going all out on promuscle isn't strategic in nature and in fact, if it was, would be a mistake. Ridiculous. Going to the boars you all have so much control over and it looking as if all members just rolled over and that there were no issues would have pm looking as it truly is. A living breathing advertisement with little room for truth where negative posts are concerned.
So you all come here first and get in fight shape to see how you handle objections and and hostility that goes with folks having their money stolen. The greenhorn was a miserable failure. He went pieces and ran the gamut from aggressive posturing and threats of violence to insults to pleading with me to understand how shitty and difficult his world is and you can't improve at all over him. Fail.
Yourself. Much different. Potential but not a natural at putting a person at ease if you don't believe it yourself. The sales techniques that i mentioned regarding ufc would be helpful but selling a product you believed in would be easy pickings for you. This gh isn't it.

 

[biggerben69]

Double talk, deflection, and the art of the spin. Classic.

Please define garbage. The GH itself is top quality as per Dr. Jims tests but the inactive ingredients still needs to be perfected to allow smooth large volume injections. The second batch is much better than the first but still needs improving. Karl is aware of the issue and has assured me that when he sends the remainder of what he still owes me from my order back in March(which is why I can't believe people are questioning my integrity), that it will be completely resolved.

 

[Galileo]

Karl isn't saying that his GH is straight out of a Bayer type labratory. He has said it is r&d GH that has a purity of pharm grade or higher.

How can GH be of higher purity than pharm grade? I have a hard time imagining that there is any lab doing it better than what the pharmaceutical giants are doing. I can barely imagine the price and complexity of the labs that Pfizer, Eli Lily, Sandoz, Novo Nordisk etc have going. Uncontroversially, one must assume they have the top guys employed producing their stuff, including somatropin.

The idea that some lab does it "better" (my choice of word) than big pharma appears highly unlikely. It comes off more like sales talk than truth, and that seems suspect.

How about the proponents of this GH venture agree with the skeptics of said adventure and decide on some sort of 3rd party, objective verification to settle the debate once and for all?

(By the way, I once chatted with a girl who works/worked at Novo Nordisk. She said 2 things worth noting:
1- GH is incredibly difficult and demanding to produce, thus she'd be very skeptical of any non-official source
2- production is domestic and is controlled from factory to delivery, so Lord knows what crap guys inject themselves with when they've gotten hold of a batch of "Norditropin HGH". Point being, the vast majority of "novo" GH on the market is bunk)

 

[muscle96ss]

96...with all due respect, in regards to the gh/karl thing would you please not pm me any further? The more you talk about it and the more you draw on whatever well of confidence surrounding your ability to influence people that whomever it is you are working so hard to satisfy has you believing in, the desired effect is lost on me.
Look. Maybe you thought this was your moment to shine and you accepted the task that was given you by karl and maybe big a as a challenge to see where you could take it.
Your remark about my seeming belief of a gh conspiracy after all we know went down at your new spot and your scoffing as though these things didn't happen is troubling.
Your ability to be nowhere near as effective an orator while having the side your on decided before the truths are known to more of us outside of the circle of thieves you seem enthralled with leaves you at a disadvantage. Your inability to deceive enough to keep your people sitting pretty and my being able to see the forced effort is embarrassing and at the same time lets me know that you weren't made to be a puppet and your instincts for the truth are sharp and haven't deserted you. Hopefully you'll be back.
You claiming to have behind the scenes info and having an exclusive audience to big A and are satisfied that karl is going to stick around for a while is either a sign of your grasping at things and beliefs you think i have and your thinking a sentence about something big a told u neither impresses me or gives me confidence that this thing is anything more than you all getting ready for an assault.
Also, telling me all you have to do is hit rajjin up if you believe there to be a scammer or problem and he edits or bans the posts and member without questioning you cuz you know what to look for confirms to me once again how things go over there. Imagine if you were lining rajjins pockets every day how much influence you'd have over what the rest of us read. It's reprehensible and tells me that you've moved on from truth and non censorship to infomercials. It's a sad day.
Your claiming that coming to meso before going all out on promuscle isn't strategic in nature and in fact, if it was, would be a mistake. Ridiculous. Going to the boars you all have so much control over and it looking as if all members just rolled over and that there were no issues would have pm looking as it truly is. A living breathing advertisement with little room for truth where negative posts are concerned.
So you all come here first and get in fight shape to see how you handle objections and and hostility that goes with folks having their money stolen. The greenhorn was a miserable failure. He went pieces and ran the gamut from aggressive posturing and threats of violence to insults to pleading with me to understand how shitty and difficult his world is and you can't improve at all over him. Fail.
Yourself. Much different. Potential but not a natural at putting a person at ease if you don't believe it yourself. The sales techniques that i mentioned regarding ufc would be helpful but selling a product you believed in would be easy pickings for you. This gh isn't it.

Man, your reading comprehension really sucks. First of all I sent you 1 PM, thats it 1!! It was simply to summarize 90 pages over here and explain why I am here since you are jumping into this and have missed the first 80 pages or so. In regards to Big A, rajin and professional muscle you took everything completely out of context. All I was simply saying is that, 1.) Big A gave me insight into whats going on with Karl and why he would not be at risk for running a scam and running off, and 2.) raj is not corrupt like you insinuated in your earlier post and that when people come to him with problems it is hard for him to know who is trustworthy or not unless they have a reputation. If I say something he will look into it because he knows that it is a legit concern whereas if "dumbbigguy" is complaining about a source then there is a lot of research that needs to be done first to establish credibility as there are a ton of reverse scammers over there as well. This thread isn't about PM so lets move on.

Now in regards to the rest of your post, I have to wonder what you are smoking. Nothing but bullshit and lies. Are you people that fucking dense here or are you just corrupt? Which is it? It has to be one of the two, there is no other explanation.

 

[muscle96ss]

How about the proponents of this GH venture agree with the skeptics of said adventure and decide on some sort of 3rd party, objective verification to settle the debate once and for all?

That sounds like a great idea to me!!!

 

[muscle96ss]

Double talk, deflection, and the art of the spin. Classic.

Double talk, deflection? What the hell are you talking about? The guy asked me why his GH is garbage, how the hell am I supposed to understand what he means by "garbage"; so I explained the good and the bad of the GH and asked him to define what his problem was. Man, where do fucking come from? Its hard to argue with someone who has no clue what they are talking about.

 

[ufcguy32]

You can't fix stupid.

 

[JackC4]

You can't fix stupid.

Came up with that all by yourself ?

 

[ufcguy32]

• Nice of u to join the thread jack. Enlighten us with your knowledge

 

[JackC4]

Just seems like a simple statement for someone as enlightened as yourself

 

[Masters Power]

i think as far as points an concerns have bin made are all valid and what the meso community is about weve all been fucked outta cash by shadey ugls most at one point or another these labs had great reps in the begining. An like i said i doubt any one believes theres a bran new ugl hgh lab thats like a bayer set up just to out there to believe.

What am I missing here old bro you have been a member here for two days and posted only in this thread and you are making the statement "what the meso community is about weve all been fucked outta cash by ugls" ??????

I've been registered here for going on two months and had lurked for a couple of months before that reading at least an hour a day and I don't feel I've earned the right to make statements about "what the Meso community is about"

Maybe you were here for years under another name that everyone knows and if that is the case I apologize.

 

[ufcguy32]

I just wanted to see how you are gonna add to this discussion. Gonna test the product? It's sure nice of u to jump in the discussion 80 pages deep. I'm sure u know everything that's gone on here

 

[JackC4]

I just wanted to see how you are gonna add to this discussion. Gonna test the product? It's sure nice of u to jump in the discussion 80 pages deep. I'm sure u know everything that's gone on here

Nope I don't spend 800$ on growth, then question and test it ? I make damn sure if I'm spending $$ on good product before hand.

I have a feeling how your tests results are going to pan out.

 

[ufcguy32]

Really do u? Let's go ahead and make your predictions now on what the results will be then we will compare them to what labcorp or quest says . We will see if we have a match or not.

 

[Galileo]

That sounds like a great idea to me!!!

Good - I don't know anyone in this community, though. So you'll have to agree on someone who's a saint.

Speaking as an observer with nothing invested in this, it does seem quite odd that:
- no laboratory analyses have been posted despite the capacity to manufacture pharma grade somatropin, and word has it that such analyses are either often performed in the production of somatropin or are, at least, easy to produce (so why not just produce & show them?)
- A statement such as "He has said it is r&d GH that has a purity of pharm grade or higher." would be made. How would ANY GH be better than pharmaceutical grade GH?" would be made.

Combine the two: - lack of showing analyses and a statement that, to my knowledge, is rather ridiculous (correct me if I'm wrong) but is suited to persuade less skeptical people and thus comes off as sales talk, and well, I'd probably bet on the skeptics, were I a betting man.

 

[ufcguy32]

Good - I don't know anyone in this community, though. So you'll have to agree on someone who's a saint.

Speaking as an observer with nothing invested in this, it does seem quite odd that:
- no laboratory analyses have been posted despite the capacity to manufacture pharma grade somatropin, and word has it that such analyses are either often performed in the production of somatropin or are, at least, easy to produce.
- A statement such as "He has said it is r&d GH that has a purity of pharm grade or higher." would be made. How would ANY GH be better than pharmaceutical grade GH?

Combine the two: - lack of showing analyses and a statement that, to my knowledge, is rather ridiculous (correct me if I'm wrong) but is suited to persuade less skeptical people and thus comes off as sales talk, and well, I'd probably bet on the skeptics, were I a betting man.

Go back about fifty pages it's been tested and labs were posted. Unfortunately it's gotten buried in the mix by people who would rather fight than get another sample and test further.

 

[JackC4]

Really do u? Let's go ahead and make your predictions now on what the results will be then we will compare them to what labcorp or quest says . We will see if we have a match or not.

I'll gladly eat my words, if your test comes back bad. Also if this thread and western doesn't turn into a a cluster fuck of selective scamming. There's too much money in this for it to be completely honest.

But why drop 800$ if you weren't sold ?

 

[JackC4]

I just wanted to see how you are gonna add to this discussion. Gonna test the product? It's sure nice of u to jump in the discussion 80 pages deep. I'm sure u know everything that's gone on here

Been following the thread from the start as well

 

[ufcguy32]

I took a chance on him meeting his claims . He told me if it wasn't what he said he will refund the price. So at that point I took at as much of a no risk as I could see. I've never used Karl but I did see him trying to make things right after the scitropin issue. He didn't just leave and tell everyone tough shit. So I gave it a shot. If he failed me in any way I would have asked for a refund or replacement .