Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

come on brotha read the thread before making statements such as that. there was an analysis of 99.5% pure but everyone keeps fighting over stupid shit. question is will this gh continue to report high numbers.

NO there was NOT, so please post that study your referring to!!!!!

 

[ufcguy32]

So in comparison to Chinese gh. Where would u put r@d gh? I'm not familiar enough with the whole process of manufacturing to know

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So in comparison to Chinese gh. Where would u put r@d gh? I'm not familiar enough with the whole process of manufacturing to know

Neither are fit for human consumption, only one contains GH and the other does not.

 

[Masters Power]

2. The professor I work with is an authority in this field, this is why I want so much that a chemist on your behalf will talk to him. The GH he makes is sold as a standard to universities and such institutions = when they need to run mess spec, or other test they rely on his GH as the standard to compare. So his extraction and purification techniques are superior to any industrial ones

3. The final formulation of the product for human usage is something my erogent professor had no experience with. He relied on info found on USP. A mistake was done on the final formulation caused an allergic minor reaction in 10-20% of the users. The issue was found and solved, the product exceed the USP standards in all that has to do with safety standards of Toxins, Pyrogen and of course sterility, and anyone may test it.

First I want to say F Marcus for sucking me back into this thread (just kidding brother).

The two statements above don't make sense in my experience. The guys who are authorities in various areas of analytical chemistry may not know some of the subtle differences between various techniques but they would absolutely know exactly where or who to go to in order to get the information.

Also, I don't feel like going back through 60 pages to find it, but when I was questioning Karl about his relationship with the Professor I thought he stated that the prof. thought the work he was doing was strictly for R&D. I may be wrong on this but that is my recollection.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Masters Powers - instead of digging with speculations on speculations, why don't u cooperate with the opportunity I offered and get the chemist u said u work with closely to make a strict academic anonymous conversation with my expert to asses my statements ?

You all raise here baseless opinions, which may be a legitimate thing as anyone may say anything here, but doesn't get us any close to the truth.

I said lets bring and expert and get his opinion, this may have no risk on your chemist by any means, and we all know this

You said you work with analytic chemist, don't back me up now, lets do this

 

[graniteman]

I have responded to everything you have just expressed concerns to on numerous occasions. No, the GH should not cause the PIP reactions; would you like me to say it for the 10th time. Does mean that its dirty? HOW THE FUCK CAN IT BE DIRTY YET NOT CAUSE INFECTIONS? PLEASE ANSWER THIS BEFORE YOU POST THIS ONE MORE FUCKING TIME!! Secondly, I am not pimping Karls GH, read my post from today where I explain it for the millionth time why I am defending Karl in certain arenas(and not in others). Karl has proven thus far that he has high quality GH, that is not an issue and even some that support Jim have agreed with me on this. However, Karl has not proven that he manufactures it himself from scratch. Neither has anyone proven that he does not make it from scratch. There is a shitload of speculation and accusations in this thread with no factual proof and it is filled with lies and deceit. I believe that if we want the truth we need to work together with Karl to get the truth and quit labeling anyone that says anything supportive about Karl as a shill and meaningless and anyone that supports Dr. Jim as if their words are gospel and unbiased. You guys complain about what goes on at other boards and here we have a prime example of the exact same thing happening at Meso. Jeez, give the guy a fucking chance. What have you got to lose? I am not saying tell the members to buy his GH, but work with him to get answers before you shoot him down. We have all seen how fucked up the GH scene is and how poor the quality is. What if he is able to provide high quality GH? Wouldn't that be something worthwhile? Why is everybody so stubborn and closed minded here. Seriously, in the million years that I have been on the boards(not a million but it seems like that), has anyone EVER seen me have an agenda or get paid off by a source before? Has anyone ever seen a scenario where I someone accused me of being a shill before. You got a couple good veteran guys here who see things differently then others and who have great reputations. Doesn't that suggest to you that you should investigate further before casting judgement? Lets quit being so stubborn and biased and start using some logic.

Calm down Killa, I'm shaking in my Chuck Taylors here.

Maybe I'm wrong or it was someone else but I could have swore you said GH causes reactions like that?

Depends on what you call ''dirty''. I think improperly made GH meets the def of dirty especially when you look at it's base

Don't know about you but ''working'' with a guy in karls position means ''buying his gh''?

Your last two statements speak volumes to me. We have 2 good guys, actually one -you, mands to his credit, has pretty much stayed out of it other than releasing partial results from Jim, saying this gh is gtg. We also have more than one member complaining of welts and pain from injections.

Not impuning your ''rep'' just pointing out facts. You can puff up and jump up and down all you want. Also I don't know about you but I think the GH ''scene'' is great and quality is as good as you where you get it. Maybe Pro-M isn't where you should be shopping?

 

[Marcus]

First I want to say F Marcus for sucking me back into this thread (just kidding brother).

The two statements above don't make sense in my experience. The guys who are authorities in various areas of analytical chemistry may not know some of the subtle differences between various techniques but they would absolutely know exactly where or who to go to in order to get the information.

Also, I don't feel like going back through 60 pages to find it, but when I was questioning Karl about his relationship with the Professor I thought he stated that the prof. thought the work he was doing was strictly for R&D. I may be wrong on this but that is my recollection.

I'm sorry Masters! I had a feeling when I said something that it was a stupid mistake. Haha

 

[Marcus]

Masters Powers - instead of digging with speculations on speculations, why don't u cooperate with the opportunity I offered and get the chemist u said u work with closely to make a strict academic anonymous conversation with my expert to asses my statements ?

You all raise here baseless opinions, which may be a legitimate thing as anyone may say anything here, but doesn't get us any close to the truth.

I said lets bring and expert and get his opinion, this may have no risk on your chemist by any means, and we all know this

You said you work with analytic chemist, don't back me up now, lets do this

Karl, you're not listening to him, the people he is involved with will not be involved in this type of venture... Straight up. That's it. Stop asking him about it. I just referred to him earlier because he was the one you had mentioned to me some pages back

 

[Masters Power]

I'm sorry Masters! I had a feeling when I said something that it was a stupid mistake. Haha

The problem is this thread is like a train wreck, once you've seen it you can't stop looking until you figure how bad the damage is.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Karl, you're not listening to him, the people he is involved with will not be involved in this type of venture... Straight up. That's it. Stop asking him about it. I just referred to him earlier because he was the one you had mentioned to me some pages back

I personally feel that his early statement (Masters powers) was a bluff, and I do feel that u back him up, anyhow any speculation is legitimate he
I personally feel that his early statement (Masters powers) was a bluff, and I do feel that u back him up, but you don't have to learn from me that any speculation is legitimate, I just think it doesn't get us to the truth, all tests confirmed the quality we declare on period

On the other hand I'm aware already to one person who hadn't got Somastim, but claims he's about to test it which is NOT legit thing to do !

Anyhow this makes this thread to stray more and more from any reality

I said and I will offer full testing to the new batch, it's quite soon, and we make a honest double cross testings, just cooperate with me, we may do this on a regular basis
, I just think it doesn't get us to the truth, all tests confirmed the quality we declare on period

On the other hand I'm aware already to one person who hadn't got Somastim, but claims he's about to test it which is NOT legit thing to do

Anyhow this makes this thread to stray more and more from any reality

I said and I will offer full testing to the new batch, it's quite soon, and we make a honest double cross testings, just cooperate with me, we may do this on a regular basis

 

[graniteman]

Before u open your mouth get your facts straight. I represent one person. Myself. I am a member on several forums . Pro muscle happen to be one I've been on the most. Are u so quick to judge because I too got ripped off by a supplier on there for fake gh to the tune of 1300 dollars. Stephen murphy. He got exposed when they tested gh in a lab and it came up blank on bloods and labs. So don't point ur fucking finger in self righteousness bc it will get pointed right back in your face with facts. Truth us I'm in the same fucking boat as any member here looking to find good affordable gh. Do ur homework next time u open ur mouth about someone and go on a rant. Jesus Christ some of u just don't get it!

You got ripped of on a gh scam at pro -m? Did the mods help you get anything back, any restitution or did murphy just not pay his rent and was booted? I wonder who ''Steven Murphy '' really was. Odd you would come to another board to investigate karls gh...I mean he is at Pro-m right, your home board?
Me thinks you protest to much ufctuffguy32.

 

[graniteman]

It doesnt seem like any one even cares about wether or not K is a legit source the last 30+ pages have for the most part bin the community beating on itself. And honestly of thoose 30+ pages its just the same thing said over an over we all have disagrements from time to time its normal but this is way outta hand and doin more harm then good.
Each new battle gives k more time to have the thread up an goin without posting updated test. At this point egos need to be put aside an ppl who have taken purchased or tested need to post there findings.

Pro-m = karl= scam

 

[Marcus]

I personally feel that his early statement (Masters powers) was a bluff, and I do feel that u back him up, but you don't have to learn from me that any speculation is a legitimate, I just think it doesn't get us to the truth, all tests confirmed the quality we declare on period

On the other hand I'm aware already to one person who hadn't got Somastim, but claims he's about to test it which is NOT legit thing to do

Anyhow this makes this thread to stray more and more from any reality

I said and I will offer full testing to the new batch, it's quite soon, and we make a honest double cross testings, just cooperate with me, we may do this on a regular basis

I disagree completely as he as nothing to gain by lying. And the good thing about this whole thread and issue within, is that the burden of proof is on you for your product. Not powers.

You keep asking to test your new batch and I've told you that I believe there are already tests to be conducted in the product you sent out, the one that's causing lumps in some users... Which I think will tell all of us a lot more, or at least I hope it will. People can make their own informed and educated decision now, and thereafter anyway.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Ok - Granit - so far I followed any request of yours and commented honestly to any issue u claimed, your agenda is clear, and quite ridiculous

 

[graniteman]

Please define garbage. The GH itself is top quality as per Dr. Jims tests but the inactive ingredients still needs to be perfected to allow smooth large volume injections. The second batch is much better than the first but still needs improving. Karl is aware of the issue and has assured me that when he sends the remainder of what he still owes me from my order back in March(which is why I can't believe people are questioning my integrity), that it will be completely resolved.

You keep saying this but Jim himself has stated many times he DID NOT release the complete results. Only enough to draw karl in.
Now if you or mands can prove this a lie that's one thing if not, you sound like a saleman
I'm just saying

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - you get from me all the cooperation, and I've done above the believable to cooperate, I need from you some honesty and some cooperation as u know, help me and we get to the truth

 

[Marcus]

Aren't you also the least bit worried that someone who speaks with this chemist/professor will bring up something about you selling it to the bodybuilding community? In other words, not what it's inter for with your "R&D Facility?" If I had just invested millions in to a facility and decided to exactly what your doing and this is the truth, I would fucking NOT wager everything on someone I did not know keeping their mouth shut during a conversation about the aspect of this venture

 

[ufcguy32]

Why would it be odd? Many people are on different boards. I came here bc of mands and I heard he was going to be testing etc so I decided to follow and see feedback on both boards. So what would be so weird about me seeing more customers trying a product out. Yes about 4 years ago I got scammed by him and I did not ask the mods to get my money it's not their job. The risk I took blew up. Not much I could have done.

 

[Marcus]

The truth is clear to me and I hope clear to every one else reading this thread... As I've said, they're is plenty of information for people to make their own decision on whether to purchase from you or not. I don't believe there is any way you can prove a facility exists, but this is just my opinion.

I'm sure people will await the tests from the GH that's already in circulation to see the results to factor in their decision. I myself will not be purchasing as there are too many red flags.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - I appreciate your honest comment and attitude, I feel to u got mislead by some false flags, but I have my interests of course

May the truth always win