Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Flounder]

I did read the thread. I am referring to the analyses that the purported GH lab should be able to produce at any given moment. Of course, if the GH is made in batches then that complicates things. But it seems one of Dr. Jim's points is that if one can produce GH, then one can easily provide internal testing to show that one is producing GH. Has this testing been presented? I've tried following this thread from page 1 on a daily basis, so apologies if I've missed it.

The statement of producing GH with "higher purity than pharm GH" still stands. Can this statement in ANY way be defended?

I stop in here about once a week and the topic is always the same. The fact that Karl has never posted any legit analysis of his GH shows he is not producing said GH. The only test produced so far by Karl was of something NOT GH. Anyways, I remember back when the "better than pharma" sales pitch was started. I was not stupid enough to fall for that. I felt like I was being sold a used car. This here used BMW is better than a new Lexus. Karl I posted 2 weeks ago and still no testing? Wow I am so shocked.

 

[Dr JIM]

What results weren't released? There was an 8 page lab report that was posted. When asked for a summary we were told the purity is 99.5% and that the chemist stated that it was good GH and even he would use it(or something similar, not sure of the wording). It was all posted on PM so you probably would have missed it. Then on this board lightspan and others(including Jim) hypothesized that Karl was just selling rebottled GH such as Humatrope. At that point the issue of the quality of the GH was OVER and DONE WITH!! The only question was whether or not he was manufacturing it himself. Now some 70 pages later people are still calling the quality of the GH into question. That is why I brought the fact that Jim did the testing into the fray because none of this tangent makes any sense .

I can't believe after all my discussions and comments you still don't get it! Damn do you read only that what you believe fits your own ideal?

I've made it perfectly clear not all the data was released and I've also mentioned WHY. Yet for some reason you have overlooked it all.

Perhaps it's best you return to pages 22-30 and read it all over again paying particular attention to the tests MANDS posted because that's the ONLY TESTS that have been released. Included are pages 1-8 missing are pages 9-16. GOT IT!

That's right 16 F ing pages of analyses for one polypeptide 191 AA in length.

More importantly although ALL of the analyses conducted are required by the FDA, WHO and the USP for a GH patent and approval as a pharmaceutical agent respectively, how many of these tests did Karl himself conduct? Zippo Ziltch Zero

Excepting the PEP, none were legible and it's analysis revealed the MW of the sample was 19 KD, which is most certainly NOT CW GH!

Finally when you make such bizarre comments like a chemist was so confident in the quality, (I guess), even he would use a K's GH, WTF are you talking about?

Nothing could be further from the truth and once again acting the part of the used car salesman attempting to sell a car everyone knows is a POC.

You did this earlier and created a lot of unnecessary rhetoric to prove some lame point. I tried to "hide" the fact I did the testing. So fucking what, where's the ulterior motive, agenda , subterfuge or duplicitous activity on my behalf?

Well duh who does the testing for Angus MH?

Labs don't want to be associated with the investigation of schedule I substances bc it almost always justifies DEA oversight.

Crap MH if you had only 1% of the insight you pretend to have in this area you actually could be useful, but currently your just another distraction on the order of IM, IMO

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I showed my tests - the quality was confirmed by you

HOLY SHIT!!! Are you fucking serious!!! Your tests were garbage and NOBODY confirmed the quality!!! Just the opposite!

The lies just flow from you like a river. Every time you say something it's a lie. And you have the nerve to question somebody else's trustworthiness? Gimme a break!

 

[Dr JIM]

Crap I've been accused by enough folk for hiding my involvement I won't go near one of your PMs.

So whatever you want to discuss well be conducted on the open forum.

Moreover PM subject headings such as;
YOU IDIOT
HEY FUCKER ANSWER MY PMs
DIP SHIT WAKE UP .....

Are not the best means of asking for someone's assistance, DUH.

 

[muscle96ss]

I can't believe after all my discussions and comments you still don't get it! Damn do you read only that what you believe fits your own ideal?

I've made it perfectly clear not all the data was released and I've also mentioned WHY. Yet for some reason you have overlooked it all.

Perhaps it's best you return to pages 22-30 and read it all over again paying particular attention to the tests MANDS posted because that's the ONLY TESTS that have been released. Included are pages 1-8 missing are pages 9-16. GOT IT!

That's right 16 F ing pages of analyses for one polypeptide 191 AA in length.

More importantly although ALL of the analyses conducted are required by the FDA, WHO and the USP for a GH patent and approval as a pharmaceutical agent respectively, how many of these tests did Karl himself conduct? Zippo Ziltch Zero

Excepting the PEP, none were legible and it's analysis revealed the MW of the sample was 19 KD, which is most certainly NOT CW GH!

Finally when you make such bizarre comments like a chemist was so confident in the quality, (I guess), even he would use a K's GH, WTF are you talking about?

Nothing could be further from the truth and once again acting the part of the used car salesman attempting to sell a car everyone knows is a POC.

You did this earlier and created a lot of unnecessary rhetoric to prove some lame point. I tried to "hide" the fact I did the testing. So fucking what, where's the ulterior motive, agenda , subterfuge or duplicitous activity on my behalf?

Well duh who does the testing for Angus MH?

Labs don't want to be associated with the investigation of schedule I substances bc it almost always justifies DEA oversight.

Crap MH if you had only 1% of the insight you pretend to have in this area you actually could be useful, but currently your just another distraction on the order of IM, IMO

So you are saying that the summary that mands gave us and posted on PM is all a lie and you never said those things? And when you guys thought that karl was rebottling brand name gh based on the tests that was a lie as well coordinated with several members? Cause thats what i am basing my arguments on. I also believe that cbs said that quality of mands sample had already been established. Please clarify as one day u say one thing and another you say something else.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Ok Doc - I ask here politely and respectfully for your assistance - would u like me to make it open ? or write to u in PM ?

 

[Dr JIM]

Sure if you can mend the mess you created with this BULLSHIT and with a once good friend MANDS!

You pathetic piece of shit

 

[Western-Biotech]

Is this a yes or a no ?

Seriously - u like us to coordinate in private cross random tests ? or do it openly ? I'll follow your terms if reasonable, anyhow I'll have my set of tests which FDA license will rely on so I know as a fact that these tests may be accepted by you.

I need u to get over your childish ego, take your medicines and cooperate for the sake of this community

 

[Ripp]

Sounds like a no to me???

 

[biggerben69]

Is this a yes or a no ?

Seriously - u like us to coordinate in private cross random tests ? or do it openly ? I'll follow your terms if reasonable, anyhow I'll have my set of tests which FDA license will rely on so I know as a fact that these tests may be accepted by you.

I need u to get over your childish ego, take your medicines and cooperate for the sake of this community

The only thing that will benefit the community is your self imposed exile which is certainly coming and perhaps worse? I mentions a door with rope and eternal rest.
Seems like we're getting closer to accepting what karl has brought to the table. The scenario that makes the most sense is going to be the winner.
Karl, nobody believes that you are submitting products for FDA approval next week, next year, or ever. You're pleas for help from the men you've failed to convince of your legitimacy and failed to bully and that ignored you when you made demands.
You and your chemist who has no credentials are a perfect match with your operation that has no certificates or licenses' of any kind that would give them permission to obtain the chemicals to synthesize scheduled drugs regardless of your claims. At best, you're what you've always been. A UGL. You may not be accurate using that word to describe what you have these days. Smoke screens. Actually, without having to prove anything more than that some of his employees exist karls overhead has become much more manageable.
Its sad watching you field questions 1 at a time and gravitate towards the ones that require the least amount of proof and shout out how you guarantee ridiculous things that are of no importance. You implore the Doc to put aside his being annoyed with your silly stories and his wasting time dismantling an operation that never made it past a sketch pad in reality. You've most likely have a finite amount of some RC's in storage that are approaching the point of them being more of a liability than anything else. The decision to stop throwing good money at a model that simply failed to gain momentum(even if its a $125.00 rental fee) will be the most mature thing you've done and hopefully bring an end to what has turned out to be an embarrassing and unremarkable ending of a lie that was built on convincing one another that they could make money without spending any simply by selling a dream.
You seem to be insinuating that without some help from a guy that said he had a friend that worked in a lab and failure to present that friend to help with the 12th hour touch ups on the FDA products karl plans on marketing here as soon as they gain licensing for them if they existed(which they don't) amount to a 7th grade science project. The gh issues that caused the neg sides have been taken care of with a quick remedy from a book which seemingly amounted to topping off vials?
Karl quickly dismissed other issues that if he were a real fast food take out joint they would take more effort to overcome. A quick remark of how things have been taken care of are what he assumes will fly with us. Its all made up nonsense and it's disappearing as things become thinner.
He makes claims of reports and products among other things made up things that round out what is starting to look like a pathetic mans final stand.

 

[mands]

That is what I got out of it. The results released are not complete. Don't know why some are having issues with understanding this.

I was told via email the purity from Jim which was reported to him from the tech. Jim did not send me the papers on this. He said he would and hasn't. I don't know why he hasn't. Probably not to promote karl's sales I'm guessing.

mands

 

[mands]

You keep saying this but Jim himself has stated many times he DID NOT release the complete results. Only enough to draw karl in.
Now if you or mands can prove this a lie that's one thing if not, you sound like a saleman
I'm just saying

Read my post above my man! Jim told me via email the purity. He said he would send me the data and did not.

mands

 

[ironwill1951]

when karl came on here july 7th he said (i have spent millions and i emphasize MILLIONS were invested on this venture ) we should have all written bullshit one post after another and ended it right their i dont think any body believed that bull , he lied then and he lied now , in fact 97 paged of lies is enough for me , quit replying to the dick..

 

[Dr JIM]

U are nuts if u think that any reasonable unbiased man actually trst anything u post
all

That's interesting since you have quoted the tests I had conducted on multiple occasion as proving ur GH was a quality product and now you want my assistance with
"FDA licensure"

Karl seriously I've now come to believe your not "all there"!

Have you been evaluated for bipolar disease or is what Ive observe most cw sociopathic behavior.

Your exaggerations, fabrications and vacillations are so excessive the conclusion many have come to is your just another PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

It's simply become so much a part of your life you don't know the difference between fact fantasy, fiction or truth from falsehoods!

Or perhaps I'm all wrong and it's just a "foreign thing"to quote a good mate on Meso

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Moreover PM subject headings such as;
YOU IDIOT
HEY FUCKER ANSWER MY PMs
DIP SHIT WAKE UP .....

Are not the best means of asking for someone's assistance, DUH.

Looks like ol' Karl never learned any social skills.

Maybe Karl hasn't posted his data because I didn't ask him the right way. I'll try again using language to which he is more accustomed:

Hey Karl, you SHEEP FUCKER! Get off that poor ewe and post those FAKE tests you SCAMMING BASTARD?​

There. Maybe that will do it.

 

[Galileo]

I know probably 8-10 guys or so who'd all put down atleast a couple of thousand dollars a year - year in, year out - for pharm grade GH. The major uncertainty is why almost all of them haven't spent a single dollar to buy "GH". Reports of bunk upon bunk upon bunk.

There is every commercial incentive to prove one's product if one is, in fact, a producer of pharma grade GH.

There is absolutely no sense in spending "milllions and millions" of dollars on the production facilities and not taking the project to its logical conclusion: proving the quality to the buyer. Especially given that providing these analyses must be the least of tasks of such a grand undertaking, yet one of equal importance.

Caveat emptor.

 

[graniteman]

Read my post above my man! Jim told me via email the purity. He said he would send me the data and did not.

mands

There's only 2 explanations of what happened, you mis-interpretated Jim's statement or Jim has changed his story. I'm not making any judgements only you two know the truth

 

[muscle96ss]

There's only 2 explanations of what happened, you mis-interpretated Jim's statement or Jim has changed his story. I'm not making any judgements only you two know the truth

Gman, are you still having trouble accepting the facts??? You ask questions and state things that are not true and then when someone corrects things for you and gives you the correct facts you still want to challenge it. The 99.5% purity figure was brought up like 2 months ago. I am not sure how someone can misinterpret it and when it has been out in the open now for 2 months for someone to say now that mands is not telling the truth is ridiculous. I have already explained to you several times how Jim has changed his story and how Jim has deceived everyone from the beginning. You don't need to make any judements, its all here in black and white.

 

[Dr JIM]

Excellent point Star Gazer! No doubt the cost of the analytical tests required by the varying licensing agencies such as the WHO, FDA, pale in comparison to a Pharm grade GH facility such as Lilly.

The initial cost of their Humatrope facility 200 MILLION and NONE of their testing is outsourced NONE. And although in house analyses does lower the combined costs required to meet USP standards, the primary reason they maintain in house testing is PROPRIETARY!!

Finally Karl one piece of info you obviously should know but don't is NO LICENSING agency in ANY COUNTRY may legally grant the production of GH wo WHO approval, NONE, NADA, NOPE, NOT EVEN CLOSE!

And to acquire WHO approval you need A PATENT on the mechanism YOUR USING to make GH!

Lastly you will also have to submit a needs based analysis on behalf of your country of residence to justify YOUR COMPANY will not "unduly compete" with others already WHO approved.

So the FDA is a wasted effort fella but perhaps you can use your vast LEGAL connections to expedite the typical FIVE YEAR WHO approval process!

Again anyone whom believes Karl will ever (especially with his legal background) produce GH legally is living in a Ks fantasy world.

( Remember what happened to Jin the PhD chemist who was the administrator for the company Jintropin after he was caught undermining WTO GH rules and regulations by aiding and abetting the sale of GH on the black market! )

K LEGALLY SELLING GH? IT WONT HAPPEN EVER!!!

 

[pmac928]

I def think a scam is in the works, but what are the details of it? Cut pharma grade gh with peptides for a little while then switch over to all peptides or generics? Idk but whts rs going on here smells like shit!