MANDS has not lied nor have I
The point is irrelevant except for some people who much like a TV reporter are looking for a story to post.
Go write your "shot over the bow" National Enquirer stories elsewhere bc it won't come from me again MH!
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MANDS has not lied nor have I
The point is irrelevant except for some people who much like a TV reporter are looking for a story to post.
Go write your "shot over the bow" National Enquirer stories elsewhere bc it won't come from me again MH!
muscle96ss
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Now thats a Lie!!
Which point are you claiming is irrelevant Jim? The fact that you lied or the fact that you stated to mands that the purity was 99.5%? Perhaps thats the problem. They both are actually extremely relevant.
Something along those lines. Perhaps the details of the scam evolve to help cover things up better but basically my point that testing isn't reliable over time unless it's random but often because yes, the scams have run with initial great tests on gh then once the ball starts rolling they shit is mixed in and the crooks make pure profit. The initial investment to bait the hook with expensive gh to send to mods and others to report that its all good is made back quickly once the fake shit that costs next to nothing is put out.
This says to me that there is no lab with security and safety measured in place while manufacturing. Just guys like karl and his gang sending out pharm grade at first needing to make sure they don't confuse themselves by reaching into the wrong closet and pull out the wrong stuff.
Then the bac water orr peptides are put in place to fill orders.
I believe that whatever it is that is/was put in homer's rips is put there specifically so guys will report the symptoms rips are known for and this does much to keep the panic and paranoia at bay.
I'm sure if these knucklheads could find something that produced numb hds etc it would be thrown in the bottle without any testing hoping for positive postings about "feeling" sides.
Mands never lied the Doc did or did he he said it was pure now he wants to recant fuck I say Dr.Jim takes Karl's challenge take the sample test them and plz for the love of God put the fucking # up so we can all see its seem like you and Karl are hiding take the sample and put his test # up easy as pie
dnml
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Have to admit, the man makes a lot of sense...
@Western-Biotech: curious what you have to say to this?
Either way to run this kind of scam I imagine it would take a good amount of start up money... Well thought out but glad We have members here who sniff this shit out fast... I don't know if it was mentioned in this thread but I was told that the Israelis were making this gh..
Now don't you think that's being just a little prejudicial,lol!
Since this thread has turned into such a fiasco I've decided to try to make a positive and turn this into a learning experience.
Karl, I realize English isn't your first language so here we go with the lesson.
The word is excuse not "accuse" and me not responding to your call to have the analytical chemists I know talk to your professor is not an example of an excuse when I have stated throughout my suspicion regarding you having a professor on the payroll stemmed from the fact that my guys would not ever have anything to do with a UGL.
Below is a proper example of an excuse.
The final formulation of the product for human usage is something my erogent professor had no experience with. He relied on info found on USP. A mistake was done on the final formulation caused an allergic minor reaction in 10-20% of the users. The issue was found and solved, the product exceed the USP standards in all that has to do with safety standards of Toxins, Pyrogen and of course sterility, and anyone may test it.
That concludes today's lesson.
Fortunately it DOES NOT matter what YOU SAY!
(But I'm sure both you and MH would be willing to fund another $1760.00 dollar analysis, right? NOT!)
But then again talk is cheap in the analytical world of chemistry, results most certainly are NOT!
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muscle96ss
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And why is that Jim?? Is this your board and you determine what matters and only let those talk that you agree with. You talk about an uncensored board, but isn't that a form of censorship? What makes you so high and mighty? You ever have that person that just constantly says stupid shit and acts like he runs everything but is really just an annoying nobody? Thats you Jim!!
graniteman
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Jim, calm your jets. You make things a WHOLE lot harder on yourself than they have to be by your ''bedside manner''. I'm just pointing out plain facts and the root of the argument for karls claims. You gave a incomplete test result to mands , correct? Apparently mands ran with it , in full faith, that it was 99.5% pure 191 GH, correct?
The point is very relevant, it's at the core of the whole argument -your tests. It's what karl is basing his whole hope on
graniteman
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I'm beginning to believe Jim. You don't read posts you just post. Go back and read my questions and posts to and from Jim about the tests and results. You keep saying I haven't read all the posts, I have. I have quietly watched this unfold from mands 1st declaration of a 99.5% pure gh.
Show me where I said mands was lieing? I have not said this
Indeed and that's what I've said multiple times.
But I'm not going to provide food for those fisherman waiting on the dock for someone to drop the "big one" in their lap. Because any one willing to step to the plate an fund another series of tests be my quest. However thus far all I see are a bunch of cheerleaders with empty pockets, including K. (No the fact is K won't and hasn't done shit but a "ALLOW" others to "test my product" BECAUSE HE HASN'T !)
Incidentally my "jets" haven't even been started and I don't need you telling me about my bedside manner on an AAS FORUM of all places where testosterone oozes out of the computer screen.
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Before you went to work for whomever it is you work for or had a vested interest in having karl or the gh succeed you were a much more interesting read. You having a pre determined need to see someone or something be accepted at any cost has your posts difficult to read in respect to how things you say sound forced and has you trying to hard. You're not funny and being that you aren't a natural sales guy you don't have a plan B to fall back on.
I guess you don't have to sell the truth...that shit sells itself. It would take a slick and experience salesman to have gotten this thing to fly. We used to have a guy went by the name of Stretch. That's a guy that just may have been able to put karl on his shoulders and made it happen. He was good....and dangerous.
All that was needed was some free time and a couple of experience guys to keep you guys from taking flight.
So, what's next? Karl and his gang gonna pretend this didn't happen and pretend it;s just business as usual and see what you can snatch out of the pockets of members at PM?
muscle96ss
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Your 100% right Ben, I am not a natural salesman, never have been and never will be. Luckily, I am not selling anything. I just want the truth like the rest of us. The only reason I am in on this is because of Jim and I don't tolerate shit like this. For all I know, Karl could be lying his ass off; but Jim has detracted us from finding out with his little circus show and ego trip.
muscle96ss
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Man, you are not the sharpest crayon in the box there are you. Read what you just posted. You have said that you watched this unfold since mands first declaration of 99.5% pure, yet you keep posting saying that Jim never said this(and keep going on and on). Then you ask where you said mands was lieing. By the transitive property if mands said that Jim claimed 99.5% purity and you don't believe that Jim said 99.5% purity then that means you are implying that mands lied about it. There are no other options. Mands even told you in the previous page that Jim emailed him that the purity was 99.5%, yet you continue to ask about it and now in this post here from tonight you stated that you are beginning to believe Jim and saying that I don't read posts. Seriously, like I keep telling you, you read every post and just completely ignore what anyone that is not pro-Jim says and act like it doesn't exist and was never said. You can't grasp the truth and wouldn't know it if it hit you upside the head. This is the exact same behavior you demonstrated in the Karius thread where you were defending him to no-end and every post you made was full of inaccuracies. I would bet CBS, brutus, and JB would agree with me on this point.
Wait a sec....haven't we concluded that karl and his gh are done here at meso. Is it me or does this thread now have the feel of a post game wrap up?
The mood has lifted some and the tension isn't anything like it was. We're going over the highs and lows of the debate.
The whole testing thing was determined to not matter a whole bunch when the platform the guys came in on collapsed under you all and the entire Pharmacy and the millions invested story fell apart. The tests were wanted to test GH that may actually be real pharm gh as many past scams do this. Then after the good gh tests out and its reported the doors open and the pharm gh is replaced with shit and used to fill orders. We determined the pharm gh is the "Start UP" cost.
Then at some point when there aren't results from the garbage being injected all over the country tests are run again and the shit fails. Thats when the kilo klub starts the intimidating telling members they're stupid and will never be accepted at Venice. Posts are deleted and people banned. Members are encouraged to show restraint and, as is human nature for some, don't complain and actually give praise in hopes of replacements that will be of the quality of the ones tested. That goes on until rajjin or big A has determined that there isn't anymore cash to extract or that the laws of diminishing returns say that the amount of treachery needed to steal a certain amount is simply to ridiculous and they call off the jackals with the promise of another blood bath in the future.
Remember....a few pages back when karl got on stage for his final act asking for Jims help as well as for the member that has a friend that works in a lab for his? Karl with all the emotion he could muster asked that they all put aside their issues and for the good of the community combine forces and fulfill the dream and get a few projects completed and pushed through the FDA and ride off into the sunset.
People are saying that karl may actually be out of his mind. They are.
Western-Biotech
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Master Powers- I'll pretend u don't have an obvious agenda.
Possible I'm not an English native speaker, but I surly know to differ between right and wrong, and you're wrong
You claim you know some analytical chemist, so I asked for your help, as all members here which have never tested or even experienced the product, you have some very based opinion (?!) but do less then zero to prove anything, I guess you have some EXCUSES which exempt u from taking responsibility to your baseless claims, this was my only ACCUSATION.
We released first batch, we encountered an allergic issue, I specified about it, you may check my REAL customers reports, and see that the general feedback is superb, whether they did experience this issue or not. Like in any recall of a legit operation we took full responsibility and replace fully any order which the customer had any issue with no EXCUSES. The problem is solved completely in the batch to come, while quality stays superb as any test proved to be
This very specific batch to remind everyone was tested for perfect quality by full tests by Dr jim, as well as repeated superb random serum tests
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tileguy123
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what are the prices on the next batch. how does is come iu amount?
do you ship us domestic?
do you encourage blood serum test or igf1? is there a discount for those that test and post?
graniteman
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I think if you read things unbiased with a critical thinking you would see your posts really make you look like a doorknob.
You keep going back to the tests Jim released, so I asked Jim straight out if these were the full tests. He says NO. So how do you keep falling back to the tests Jim says are not complete?
You want everyone to believe what you ''said'', ''he'' said. Better to get it straight from the source. So again try actually reading a post rebutting yours instead of talking shit.
As it is now only Jim and Mands have and know the story on the tests. As I posted earlier it looks like Mands just got overly excited and ran with the partial release as Jim states. I did not say mands was lieing so STFU with that
How can you, me or anyone else say different ?
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