come on brotha read the thread before making statements such as that. there was an analysis of 99.5% pure but everyone keeps fighting over stupid shit. question is will this gh continue to report high numbers.
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Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH
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Right now the truth is even stuff we think is labeled humatrope serostim can be faked. Someone charges 750 for 72iu of humatrope and it's not humatrope at all or not even gh. You are right the whole gh fiasco seems to be the hardest thing to really pin down and to be able to say with certainty that it's good gh. Or even gh. Other gear is cheap to make but u never know the sterility etc. The closest comparison would be anavar. I'm convinced no ugl sells legit var. Too many stories of people in the past needing much lower doses and getting better results. It's just fishy. Gh is in that category. I'm using pharmacy var now so I'll have a good idea and I know it's good bc I got it from cvs. So it's 100 but with gh it's way too expensive for most people to afford humatrope.
I did read the thread. I am referring to the analyses that the purported GH lab should be able to produce at any given moment. Of course, if the GH is made in batches then that complicates things. But it seems one of Dr. Jim's points is that if one can produce GH, then one can easily provide internal testing to show that one is producing GH. Has this testing been presented? I've tried following this thread from page 1 on a daily basis, so apologies if I've missed it.
The statement of producing GH with "higher purity than pharm GH" still stands. Can this statement in ANY way be defended?
The statement of producing GH with "higher purity than pharm GH" still stands. Can this statement in ANY way be defended?
old bro
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nope no other name but have read alot over the yrs just cause i dont post doesnt mean i dont speak fact. Im very wary of joining boards cause usually theres way to much anger but here it seems directed in a more positive way.
Now as for ppl loosen money im not sayin i know any one person here who has but i know from usen for a decade that if youve put any time into juice uve probably bin screwd an this seems to be the only place where regaurdless of what company theres some level of accountablity.
If thats not kool with you im ok with that reason im in this thread is ive purchased this hgh have you?
Western-Biotech
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I'm sorry to interupt you guys, pls follow the facts along this th
1. We declare on purity of 98+% - this is what is accepted in pharma standards. I said clearly from start that we actually exceed de facto this standard as I had the actual tests of this batch.
The Tests done on the GH proved it - actual Dr Jim's tests !
2. The professor I work with is an authority in this field, this is why I want so much that a chemist on your behalf will talk to him. The GH he makes is sold as a standard to universities and such institutions = when they need to run mess spec, or other test they rely on his GH as the standard to compare. So his extraction and purification techniques are superior to any industrial ones
3. The final formulation of the product for human usage is something my erogent professor had no experience with. He relied on info found on USP. A mistake was done on the final formulation caused an allergic minor reaction in 10-20% of the users. The issue was found and solved, the product exceed the USP standards in all that has to do with safety standards of Toxins, Pyrogen and of course sterility, and anyone may test it.
anyhow following simple instructions of mine regarding reconstitution solve this allergic issue to a descent degree. This issue was located and solved as a fact, and the coming batch will prove it
4. 2 junior members here who claimed that had issue with the Somastim lies. One has never ordered with me. One simply stole 3 kits - this was a mistake of mine as I sent him extra 3 by mistake, and when I asked him to forward them he started to use any excuse like he did here
Any honest customer of mine as u may inspect along 85 pages is very impressed from the quality, though a couple did suffer from this allergic reaction.
This issue is solved period, we all agree that shouldn't happen, and anyone who complained got or will get a replacement , it's merely a couple of cases
1. We declare on purity of 98+% - this is what is accepted in pharma standards. I said clearly from start that we actually exceed de facto this standard as I had the actual tests of this batch.
The Tests done on the GH proved it - actual Dr Jim's tests !
2. The professor I work with is an authority in this field, this is why I want so much that a chemist on your behalf will talk to him. The GH he makes is sold as a standard to universities and such institutions = when they need to run mess spec, or other test they rely on his GH as the standard to compare. So his extraction and purification techniques are superior to any industrial ones
3. The final formulation of the product for human usage is something my erogent professor had no experience with. He relied on info found on USP. A mistake was done on the final formulation caused an allergic minor reaction in 10-20% of the users. The issue was found and solved, the product exceed the USP standards in all that has to do with safety standards of Toxins, Pyrogen and of course sterility, and anyone may test it.
anyhow following simple instructions of mine regarding reconstitution solve this allergic issue to a descent degree. This issue was located and solved as a fact, and the coming batch will prove it
4. 2 junior members here who claimed that had issue with the Somastim lies. One has never ordered with me. One simply stole 3 kits - this was a mistake of mine as I sent him extra 3 by mistake, and when I asked him to forward them he started to use any excuse like he did here
Any honest customer of mine as u may inspect along 85 pages is very impressed from the quality, though a couple did suffer from this allergic reaction.
This issue is solved period, we all agree that shouldn't happen, and anyone who complained got or will get a replacement , it's merely a couple of cases
Marcus
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We will see how the tests turn out on the GH that's already in customers hands.
old bro
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at this point tho aside from god comen down an sayin its gtg would any one even believe it at this point?
No, Mands is the only one who posted any analytical data on GH. Karl, unfortunately, has not. He has been UNABLE to provide ANY analytical data on GH. And that is a BIG problem for someone claiming to be running a multimillion dollar GH manufacturing facility. In fact, it's incredible!
I'm in agreement with u there. And I believe he should be able to provide those tests as well. He has said he is going to. If it doesn't happen then obviously that is a problem....As far as the claim he is making the gh. If the other tests come back good as marcus I guess is having it tested? Or someone. We will have a bigger picture of the situation.
bro I'm not looking to start something with you and you have a right to post in any thread you want. Just saying IMO if you want to be taken seriously around here it is probably better to cool it with posts that make you sound like the self appointed spokesperson for Meso when you just registered here two days ago.
I wish you good luck with your order. You look pretty cut from your avi.
old bro
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thing with the net how its read doesnt always mean thats the way its ment. Im not tryin to do anything but get the topic back to where it was with out roughtlin feathers is all.
i think we can agree it took a bit of a detour. Never ment even the slightest amount of disrespect to any one an if i did offend not my intention in the slightest and am sry.
Your good with me. I know sometimes things come off differently when we post them than they would have if we said them in person.
Well, isn't that something! You slipped up again, Karl. The truth always has a way of finding its way out when the pressure gets turned up. LMAO
Let me guess... it was a case of shoplifting? LMFAO
old bro
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kool not my nature to cause probs good place to be and i just want to add to it
psychowhitekenny
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Make sure you save every correspondence with Karl if you have a problem
Me- I have knots in my stomach from your high
Karl- what email u order from
Me- no email, all by, pm
Karl- liar, I do not take orders through pm
Me- send screen shot of Karl sending me receiver info to send $ to pointing out he did take my order by pm.
Lol wow, didn't save transfer transaction # and supposedly he can take find anything with my address. Buyer beware again!
Me- I have knots in my stomach from your high
Karl- what email u order from
Me- no email, all by, pm
Karl- liar, I do not take orders through pm
Me- send screen shot of Karl sending me receiver info to send $ to pointing out he did take my order by pm.
Lol wow, didn't save transfer transaction # and supposedly he can take find anything with my address. Buyer beware again!
Let me inform those who continue to reference the lab studies I had performed as some pennacle of quality are flat out WRONG! "Dr Jims test" do not and did not define quality from a pharmaceutical standard, period. The quality of ANY drug is defined as its human efficacy in the ABSENCE of adverse effects. I mean after all, what good is any drug that "does it's job" but can't be used bc of intolerable side effects!
Rest assured based on existing pharmaceutical standards this crap would not have made it beyond the first human trial, bc of these issues. Whats even more important is no pharm company would have even tried to release it, bc the cost of a recall is prohibitive in addition to several law suits that WOULD HAVE BEEN filed. Think I'm kidding, not! We are talking about "big pharma" who has pockets full of money, so they can afford it. Hmm but K can not, really!
The fact is the adverse reactions that have occurred are totally unacceptable! Moreover the REQUIRED animal model studies very well could have detected the frequency, severity and causation of the existing adverse effects.
Ok so DOC what do you thin is wrong here? I honestly don't know because IM NOT FAMILIAR with the manufacturing processes but have long contended a considerable portion of that which has being distributed is RESEARCH GH.
Whats' that you ask? First and foremost R&D products are NOT approved for human use!
Why? Because they are NOT required to follow the same RIGOROUS SAFTEY requirements (many complain about bc of "big pharma") set forth by the FDA, WHO, CLIA ect.
Fact is R&D products are sold as such bc thats exactly what they are used for, the research and development of new drugs, equipment, standards or improvement of old products etc.
These drugs are NOT filtered, extracted, precipitated, solubilized, purified anywhere close to the FDA requirements.
So what can an HPLC MISS when purity is defined? Quite a few things actually depending upon the UVA, column and solvents used. But one thing chemical analyses will never match is the ability to determine how well or poorly a particular substance will perform from an IN-VITRO perspective. For that we need willing study subjects, and Karl found his on PED forums absent all the FDA red tape and required informed consent signatures.
Regardless on a personal and professional level I believe Karl should show some ethics and yank this stuff off the market immediately, just like the FDA would mandate he do.
Regs
JIM
Rest assured based on existing pharmaceutical standards this crap would not have made it beyond the first human trial, bc of these issues. Whats even more important is no pharm company would have even tried to release it, bc the cost of a recall is prohibitive in addition to several law suits that WOULD HAVE BEEN filed. Think I'm kidding, not! We are talking about "big pharma" who has pockets full of money, so they can afford it. Hmm but K can not, really!
The fact is the adverse reactions that have occurred are totally unacceptable! Moreover the REQUIRED animal model studies very well could have detected the frequency, severity and causation of the existing adverse effects.
Ok so DOC what do you thin is wrong here? I honestly don't know because IM NOT FAMILIAR with the manufacturing processes but have long contended a considerable portion of that which has being distributed is RESEARCH GH.
Whats' that you ask? First and foremost R&D products are NOT approved for human use!
Why? Because they are NOT required to follow the same RIGOROUS SAFTEY requirements (many complain about bc of "big pharma") set forth by the FDA, WHO, CLIA ect.
Fact is R&D products are sold as such bc thats exactly what they are used for, the research and development of new drugs, equipment, standards or improvement of old products etc.
These drugs are NOT filtered, extracted, precipitated, solubilized, purified anywhere close to the FDA requirements.
So what can an HPLC MISS when purity is defined? Quite a few things actually depending upon the UVA, column and solvents used. But one thing chemical analyses will never match is the ability to determine how well or poorly a particular substance will perform from an IN-VITRO perspective. For that we need willing study subjects, and Karl found his on PED forums absent all the FDA red tape and required informed consent signatures.
Regardless on a personal and professional level I believe Karl should show some ethics and yank this stuff off the market immediately, just like the FDA would mandate he do.
Regs
JIM
old bro
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you have your mtcn# still you shld he able to track threw that. I know for me i used email to order so cant help there.
I people wonder why many mates DONT TRUST KARL!
Listen I trust NO ONE PROVEN TO BE A PERPETUAL LIAR, AND KARL HAS PROVEN THAT SEVERAL FOLD OVER ON THIS THREAD ALONE, IMO!
graniteman
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That is what I got out of it. The results released are not complete. Don't know why some are having issues with understanding this.
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