What Causes Abdominal Distension in Anabolic Steroid and HGH Users? "Palumboism"

[wildfuchs]

I wonder if it has to do with BBers eating more and more as they have fat burning drugs that weren't available in the 70s/80s.

I read that 70s/80s BBers did 1000-1500 calorie diets for contest prep!

it's just the sheer size/amount of drugs that increased - if you look at the best BB when they were up and coming & smaller (Ronnie, Yates, Heath, Winklaar etc.) they looked like 80's BB with their lines and a tight waist but that seems impossible to maintain beyond a certain size, and gaining the mass necessary to be at the top seems unobtainable without the amounts of gear used nowadays.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

it's just the sheer size/amount of drugs that increased - if you look at the best BB when they were up and coming & smaller (Ronnie, Yates, Heath, Winklaar etc.) they looked like 80's BB with their lines and a tight waist but that seems impossible to maintain beyond a certain size, and gaining the mass necessary to be at the top seems unobtainable without the amounts of gear used nowadays.

What exactly do you know about the “amounts do gear” being taken...

 

[wildfuchs]

What exactly do you know about the “amounts do gear” being taken...

you mean amounts of, right? Iirc you're a bb/prep coach, same as me, whatever that insight is worth.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Are you saying you coach top pros? Because coaching amateurs doesnt really give any insight into what top pros use. My knowledge on it doesn’t come from my coaching. I don’t coach pros. Actively avoid doing preps too.

Here’s my opinion based on the people I know.

The drastic change isn’t the grams total. I’ve seen no evidence that guys are suddenly using a shit ton more than before. Arnold popped dbol like skittles. Pros I know aren’t just tanking grams on grams. Some certainly are. You know the ones that do based largely on their coach. But that isn’t the rule.

The change is the knowledge and application. Knowing how to use a cocktail of drugs. Adding gH and slin. Knowledge about diet and training. And of course the general genetic progression you see in every single sport over decades.

 

[wildfuchs]

The change is the knowledge and application. Knowing how to use a cocktail of drugs. Adding gH and slin. Knowledge about diet and training. And of course the general genetic progression you see in every single sport over decades.

The change, strictly speaking, was the introduction of huge dosages of insulin, food and the resultant "era of mass monsters" when competitors started stepping on stage ~20lbs heavier. If you look at the diets of Nubret, Haney and others, I'd argue BB diets have actually regressed away from nutrient-rich natural foods to dumb powders and whatever AIP/low-FODMAP white rice crap competitors can tolerate when your gut microbiome gets fucked up from a gram of tren, but arguing online is a waste of time you're a good poster in my book, so I'll stop here.

 

[MuscleFreak]

The change, strictly speaking, was the introduction of huge dosages of insulin, food and the resultant "era of mass monsters" when competitors started stepping on stage ~20lbs heavier. If you look at the diets of Nubret, Haney and others, I'd argue BB diets have actually regressed away from nutrient-rich natural foods to dumb powders and whatever AIP/low-FODMAP white rice crap competitors can tolerate when your gut microbiome gets fucked up from a gram of tren, but arguing online is a waste of time you're a good poster in my book, so I'll stop here.

sport is just more advance now that is it,people pay to see the freaks and not guys like they can see every day in the local gym...

 

[Mac11wildcat]

The change, strictly speaking, was the introduction of huge dosages of insulin, food and the resultant "era of mass monsters" when competitors started stepping on stage ~20lbs heavier. If you look at the diets of Nubret, Haney and others, I'd argue BB diets have actually regressed away from nutrient-rich natural foods to dumb powders and whatever AIP/low-FODMAP white rice crap competitors can tolerate when your gut microbiome gets fucked up from a gram of tren, but arguing online is a waste of time you're a good poster in my book, so I'll stop here.

Nothing wrong with a debate between two people, hope it didn’t come across as negative. We’re in agreement on the slin/gH being the catalyst there, not just more grams of injectables.

Won’t argue with that point as far as micronutrient dense foods go. Most guys hammer chicken and rice almost exclusively. I think we can all agree that the goal of bodybuilding isn’t to be healthy, though.

You’re preaching to the choir on the tren. It’s abused everywhere. Even on average gym bros.

I will say I draw a line between offseason and precontest drug use and I made that clear in my log too. My general impression after seeing lots of people introduced to higher level bodybuilding on this forum or elsewhere is “wow must be tons of drugs.” I think most guys will agree that they grow best on a simple offseason stack and that food is the key.

Precontest...drugs def get out of hand. I dont think there’s a way to get that much dry, separated, hard muscle on stage without it.

My post was simply stating that in my experience everyone, even here in the community, believes pros are on way more gear than they are. If that came as undermining your experience I apologize.

 

[Slicknyc]

Nothing wrong with a debate between two people, hope it didn’t come across as negative. We’re in agreement on the slin/gH being the catalyst there, not just more grams of injectables.

Won’t argue with that point as far as micronutrient dense foods go. Most guys hammer chicken and rice almost exclusively. I think we can all agree that the goal of bodybuilding isn’t to be healthy, though.

You’re preaching to the choir on the tren. It’s abused everywhere. Even on average gym bros.

I will say I draw a line between offseason and precontest drug use and I made that clear in my log too. My general impression after seeing lots of people introduced to higher level bodybuilding on this forum or elsewhere is “wow must be tons of drugs.” I think most guys will agree that they grow best on a simple offseason stack and that food is the key.

Precontest...drugs def get out of hand. I dont think there’s a way to get that much dry, separated, hard muscle on stage without it.

My post was simply stating that in my experience everyone, even here in the community, believes pros are on way more gear than they are. If that came as undermining your experience I apologize.

reintroducing this old thread because I touched on this subject and wanted your opinion as well as Wild’s cause you both make great points. I agree that the preseason is where the massive amounts of steroids are being used to simply maintain size. Am curious as to your opinion on the roid gut and if you have trained guys or know guys personally that have this. I know a few, including myself though nowhere near your level- big enough that as the steroid use continued- it became an aesthetic issue. The crazy thing is- everyone I know, it goes away shortly after all drugs are discontinued. If this is some sort of organ growth then why Is it gone so fast? Even the guys like Palumbo And specifically Phil Heath who there were pics of after he had hernia surgery where it was said they did surgery to fix it. But then it comes back In his next show? After looking amazing wish zero gut just months prior?
Also, when I get sick it goes away immediately. That’s why I had mentioned the possibility of water retention in the gut but idk. I continue to see this debate on what causes it but my question to you is if you have come across any of your clients who get this and what happens if they go off all gear? I wasn’t really trying to argue with anyone but just trying to offer an alternative POV