What is your current RHR?

[Liter O' Test]

I am literally on here now, looking around some posts to try and decide what to do. Then seen this.

I don't have much of anyting useful to report!

Bottom line is - havent had a return to my previous rhr or HRV variability at all.

Now i definitely haven't ended up going that high compared to most i accept. I now sit up at around 68rhr and used to sit at 44-47. The HRV flatlining is one hell of a bit of data to see though - i just accept that having higher T is clearly quite a sympathetic driver for me- eben on 150mg/week test.

I could run through my dosing of iva and nebiv which i fiddled around with and granted i wasnt maxing out more than 10mg of each and i wasnt doing twice a day either. So its not a fair experiment.

I would say the AM blunting of HR during CV isn't something that bothers me too much but this morning was much worse for some reason i can sit at 125- 135 eventually after a delay and couldn't get above 105 this morning with same perceived exertion.

I may have to accept the situation. I do wonder if it went up to 80-100 then maybe thats where i'd see the iva and/or nebiv act more.

I have similar HRV, but I havent tried to improve it yet and I just started tracking it so I dont know how its been.

I'm on tren lol. but my sleep is OK so im in denial that its the tren thats the problem.

I'm stopping Tirz to see if it helps, someone from another forum said they doubled their HRV after 10 days of being off tirz. so maybe drop the reta?

my RHR is naturally around 85-95 so i guess i would see improvement with something that slows my HR but im waiting for a cardiologist appointment

 

[JK1]

I have similar HRV, but I havent tried to improve it yet and I just started tracking it so I dont know how its been.

I'm on tren lol. but my sleep is OK so im in denial that its the tren thats the problem.

I'm stopping Tirz to see if it helps, someone from another forum said they doubled their HRV after 10 days of being off tirz. so maybe drop the reta?

my RHR is naturally around 85-95 so i guess i would see improvement with something that slows my HR but im waiting for a cardiologist appointment

Yeah could indeed be reta. It's reported all over. Just switched back to once weekly so will see.

You seeing a cardiologist specifically because of this?

Im not using it but i doubt your alone om tren denial approach : )

 

[Liter O' Test]

Yeah could indeed be reta. It's reported all over. Just switched back to once weekly so will see.

You seeing a cardiologist specifically because of this?

Im not using it but i doubt your alone om tren denial approach : )

im seeing a cardiologist because my RHR on bigger blasts gets to about 100 and ive used beta blockers and things before on my own but i'd rather just go official this time.

yeah im pretty much letting everything fade for the next like two weeks and then ill add things back in.

I use a CPAP too.

 

[stevosaurus]

RHR was high 50s to low 60s before. Now on TRT and reta I'm about 74.

Also taking CJC and ipamorelin which seems to be fucking with my HRV overnight now too. I keep getting notifications about it from the smart watch in the morning.

Before anyone asks, I ordered a shit ton of secretagogues a while ago and I'm burning though em before I start on HGH.

 

[BabaJagga]

baseline, with lot of coffe was around 50-55.

rn, with gh at 4iu daily and without any meds im around 75-80.

i expect it to go lower during summer cut with regular cycling.

 

[JK1]

RHR was high 50s to low 60s before. Now on TRT and reta I'm about 74.

Also taking CJC and ipamorelin which seems to be fucking with my HRV overnight now too. I keep getting notifications about it from the smart watch in the morning.

Before anyone asks, I ordered a shit ton of secretagogues a while ago and I'm burning though em before I start on HGH.

So many similar patterns.

I also am probably one of the unlucky ones for whom hgh ( and secretagous) messes with Sleep and hrv. Envious of those who get great rest on them.

 

[JK1]

baseline, with lot of coffe was around 50-55.

rn, with gh at 4iu daily and without any meds im around 75-80.

i expect it to go lower during summer cut with regular cycling.

Similar hgh response to me. How's your sleep?

 

[BabaJagga]

Similar hgh response to me. How's your sleep?

sleep is my hobby

ussually i have 8-9h with some naps here and there if possible. but at least once per night im up and need to piss and drink cause i drink lot of water before bed.

sometimes i wake up with racing heart, sweattimg and bit "off"... i suspect BG is too low

 

[stevosaurus]

So many similar patterns.

I also am probably one of the unlucky ones for whom hgh ( and secretagous) messes with Sleep and hrv. Envious of those who get great rest on them.

Yeah I heard they were meant to help with the sleep but so far it's been worse.

But then I'm pretty sure I'm some sort of crazy ADHD cause I sleep better after a coffee and stims tend to do very little for me.

 

[anon55]

What's the real danger to have a RHR at 100 or 105?
If BP is fine

 

[JK1]

What's the real danger to have a RHR at 100 or 105?
If BP is fine

For me, size of the increase and persistent rhr jump with severly suppressed HRV signals increased cardiac stress, even if BP looks good. I think a higher and constant sympathetic tone just means incresingly shittier recovery. Theres probably other tradeoffs like your body sequestering reaources to deal with the recovey debt..
just theorising. But I agree BP is a big red flag. And if it was high it would be worse.

 

[bossetti]

Today i did my record at 35 lol

 

[Eddie.]

Today i did my record at 35 lol

You trying to be a turtle? Sea turtles usually have a 6-14 rhr lol

 

[bossetti]

You trying to be a turtle? Sea turtles usually have a 6-14 rhr lol

Big engine capacity=low rpm lmao
Im not tryng to that low its just that with training and being rested thats what happen lol

 

[DazDillinger]

Pre trt was low 40s, post trt was 50s, pinning everything under the sun now low 80s

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Total AAS currently -> 600mg
5mg of nebivolol in ancillary stack -> 42-46 RHR
Without nebivolol it's in 48-55 RHR range.

Reta ramps it up 10-15BPM and plummets HRV. Given my kidney/liver looking good, CRP never having been above .75, and fasting insulin around 2-4 without it, I've not used it since. Only used it while cutting for a while.

Back when I was running competitively with no nebivolol it was in the upper 30s.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Total AAS currently -> 600mg
5mg of nebivolol in ancillary stack -> 42-46 RHR
Without nebivolol it's in 48-55 RHR range.

Reta ramps it up 10-15BPM and plummets HRV. Given my kidney/liver looking good, CRP never having been above .75, and fasting insulin around 2-4 without it, I've not used it since. Only used it while cutting for a while.

Back when I was running competitively with no nebivolol it was in the upper 30s.

can you give me some ballpark numbers on how much reta impacted your HRV and what your HRV is now on different doses of gear etc?

 

[JK1]

Total AAS currently -> 600mg
5mg of nebivolol in ancillary stack -> 42-46 RHR
Without nebivolol it's in 48-55 RHR range.

Reta ramps it up 10-15BPM and plummets HRV. Given my kidney/liver looking good, CRP never having been above .75, and fasting insulin around 2-4 without it, I've not used it since. Only used it while cutting for a while.

Back when I was running competitively with no nebivolol it was in the upper 30s.

Your 5mg nebiv, is once daily, evening?
What reta doses were you using?

 

[Sicsemptyran]

can you give me some ballpark numbers on how much reta impacted your HRV and what your HRV is now on different doses of gear etc?

HRV is more than halved. HRV numbers use different algorithms and there is not an agreed upon metric, so depending on algorithm 75 might be 125 on your device, etc. But I’d see it go down about 60%.

That was on 1-2mg of Reta. I’m clearly quite sensitive to GLPs though so take it with a grain of salt. 1mg of Reta or .1mg of sema completely destroy my appetite even after running them for a decent adjustment period.

This was consistent across 3 different devices I track HRV (EightSleep, Whoop, Apple Watch). All showed identical drops, though due to algorithm differences my HRV is ~70-110 depending on which device.

 

[Sicsemptyran]

Your 5mg nebiv, is once daily, evening?
What reta doses were you using?

Once daily in the morning. Though it crosses the blood brain barrier less than say propranolol, beta blockers can cause sleep disruption and I’m really using it for the epinephrine blocking effects during the day anyway. I travel quite a bit for stressful business trips and it helps smooth out my type A personality.

My BP without medication is perfect, but during the work day can spike. Nebivolol is great because it doesn’t lower base BP much but keeps those spikes from being a problem. On blast I’ll layer in a low dose of highly specific ARB and be 105/55 if I’m not careful.