Why don't sources test their product before it leaves?

[devildog93]

This just blows my mind. I keep hearing that hey, mistakes happen. It isn't a mistake if you just flat out let it slip by because you didn't test it. You don't get to play the crap source card if you didn't even bother to test it yourself as a brewer.

I expect a mechanic to test drive a car before he gives it back to me and i sure as hell expect a ugl to test their batch before sending it down the line. This doesn't seem to be happening for whatever reason. We are seeing stuff mislabeled, wrong dosage, and even in rare cases harmful transplants such as estrogen in pct meds.

Is any ugl testing their crap before passing it on to the next guy or is that just asking too much? If i wanted to brew and make a profit on the deal i think i would at least be a proper lab rat for some of my brew and have an idea of what quality i was dealing with before passing it on to the next guy. That just seems like common sense and common courtesy, but perhaps not common enough.

 

[strongsafety41]

Great question. Some UGL's say they test they're own product. If my memory serves me correct MFL was one UGL that said they tested they're own product after they had a mishap. We all know what happened to them.

 

[alphastrength50]

brotha to be blunt its because they give ZERO fucks man... i know sad

 

[sluggy]

Someone will buy it as long as it has a nice label and a good sales rep. Just look at the grocery store.

 

[strongsafety41]

@alphastrength50 .... Awesome answer. Blunt but well stated.

 

[showstoppa]

From my experience its lack of options for testing. When the place in cali was testing before ord, most of the big sources tested every batch, now it's harder to find a legit place to test. Astro says he does and I know swole on eroids does, so does hulk and clnandclr. Those are the only ones I know of.

But not at least lab maxing everything is horse shit

 

[GigaloRob]

To be honest even if they said they were testing their own stuff would you believe their results? Also they put the burden on the user to test simply because when the shit turns bunk they can act as if they are just as shocked as you. Plausible deniability.

 

[alphastrength50]

From my experience its lack of options for testing. When the place in cali was testing before ord, most of the big sources tested every batch, now it's harder to find a legit place to test. Astro says he does and I know swole on eroids does, so does hulk and clnandclr. Those are the only ones I know of.

But not at least lab maxing everything is horse shit

didnt clnandclr get called out for bunk shit then afterwards ran off?

 

[Gettinbigger76]

Unfortunately,greed typically takes over. I believe most start with good intentions, but when push comes to shove, they're going to choose their pockets over you... For example, they buy the raws hoping to get quality product (as we do), but then it fails, and unlike us, they now have a choice. Do the right thing and toss it (loss of investment/profit) ,find another source and start again OR send it out,hope that it's flies under the radar and hope that by the time it does come to light, they have already brewed a better quality batch, go into damage control mode and retain client base. This way they still made original profit and even if they make good to the people who received bunk gear, the profit margins are high enough to still remain profitable... Or they just disappear and pop up under a different name... Wash,rinse, repeat... Sad but true

 

[whwlives]

The solution is for an honest lab to test all raws, reject anything which doesn't meet their set standards, compensate each batch to achieve precise dosing, use proper practices to avoid contamination, and only sell what they can get. I doubt such a lab currently exists.

One teachable moment is that many (most) of these "I've got a secret and you're not worthy of it" sooper-beyond-top-secret raw sources are bunk.

 

[flenser]

From my experience its lack of options for testing. When the place in cali was testing before ord, most of the big sources tested every batch, now it's harder to find a legit place to test. Astro says he does and I know swole on eroids does, so does hulk and clnandclr. Those are the only ones I know of.

But not at least lab maxing everything is horse shit

You have to read Astro's words carefully. He tests randomly, not every batch. The TA on testing is pretty extreme these days. No one tests every batch, because they would always be out of stock. Sources get far more grief for not delivering product than for not testing it.

Labmax hasn't really caught on with sources. Hopefully it will in the future.

 

[Jruiz]

It's garbage man ! I mean it's not like I go down the block and grab a bag of buds and end up getting damn cauliflower ! I would never buy from him again and ultimately the dealer would lose profit and business! Doesn't make sense for any type of business man to not have protocols to keep his business healthy and prosperous !

 

[showstoppa]

didnt clnandclr get called out for bunk shit then afterwards ran off?

I don't think so but I don't check the si threads there all the time because they are all filled with dick riders. You could be right, dunno. Like gigalo said dont believe any test from a source.

 

[TheSpectre]

98% are lying when they claim they "test all the raws."

 

[Heavygear]

You are not dealing with a regular legitimate businesses here, these guys know they have a fairly short operating window before they come up on LE radar, so maximum profit for minimum effort prevails. If you saw some of these labs and the actual people making the stuff I bet you'd hesitate very much before injecting anything into your body.

 

[pumpin69]

It's garbage man ! I mean it's not like I go down the block and grab a bag of buds and end up getting damn cauliflower ! I would never buy from him again and ultimately the dealer would lose profit and business! Doesn't make sense for any type of business man to not have protocols to keep his business healthy and prosperous !

If that was the case, I'd go back down the block and beat someones fucking teeth in. They don't have that to worry about

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Sorry I'm lazy and didn't read the thread but...MONEY

 

[4leafclover]

90% of UGL's buy the same business book, they are given a free poster to hang in their business processing center. I will share this secret poster with you now.

To be honest, I think it boils down to this, we see it occur in meso. People are desperate for product, they want to create the image they have in their head, and almost at any price. They click a few buttons and believe they are armed with the knowledge of what AAS to use (just read our first cycle logs, lot's of first cycles use stacking compounds, rarely do we see progressive, logical use). Then armed with the stoutest of keyboard warrior-ness, they read the political like campaigning of the multitude of UGL's, websites, shill support posts, shiny labels, poorly constructed websites and decided to buy.

If the product contains gear at all, and they get any results (even if from just changing diet, and a regular workout routine) they reinforce through shitty posts that a source is gtg, they put on 20 lbs in 8-10 weeks (often I see reinforcement posts just for the product being shipped in a timely manner on various other forums) and the cycle perpetuates itself.

So I ask this, why make quality product for a consumer that for the most part, is easily fooled into purchasing sub-par gear? I hate to bring up an example but this just happened in our own underground thread, a greek named lab was sold out within 2 days, and before the lab was fully vetted, by newer members. So until we can as consumers demand higher quality and resist the urge to compulsively buy, the cycle will continue.

 

[Nitrust]

well said 4leafclover... well said...

 

[pumpin69]

I'd say a good % of the people jumping so quick you never hear from or see on the forum