Will herbal test boosters help with pct?

[KingAlfred]

I am using HCG for my pct which I started 2 weeks before I stopped using danabol and test e. I ended the cycle a week ago and will finish up the hcg but I want to try herbal test boosters to speed up recovery. I think they probobly have little to no effect but they might speed up test production and I figure it can't hurt right? (its a prduct that is a mixture of tribulus terestris, maca root, hawthorn berry, mucuna pruriens, beta sisterol semento bark, nettle leaf)

 

[Savagesteve]

I am using HCG for my pct which I started 2 weeks before I stopped using danabol and test e. I ended the cycle a week ago and will finish up the hcg but I want to try herbal test boosters to speed up recovery. I think they probobly have little to no effect but they might speed up test production and I figure it can't hurt right? (its a prduct that is a mixture of tribulus terestris, maca root, hawthorn berry, mucuna pruriens, beta sisterol semento bark, nettle leaf)

You did absolutely no research when it comes to pct did you? You need to be running either clomid at 50/50/50/50 or clomid and nolvadex at 50/50/50/50 and 20/20/20/20 (numbers are my per day, for 4 weeks). How many days past last test pin are you?

 

[w1ck3d]

Dudeeee.... Pct is probably the most if not 2nd most important thing when running a cycle you need clomid or novla... How old are you op out of curiosity?

 

[KingAlfred]

33. 8 days out. Your missing the point Nolvadex is an AI. I take Anastrozol. Pretty much same thing with Clomid though it also can help with test production I know but that is not my question here and neither of you use HCG? You just take an AI to get your nuts working again? I have used Clomid for pct in the past but what I'm wondering is specifically the effectiveness of herbal test boosters for pct. They are easy to get and could be very effective even more so than anything else, or they could be a waste of time.

 

[Docd187123]

Nolva is not an AI. It is a SERM.

Test boosters are a 100% waste of money. They will do not a damned thing for you

 

[KingAlfred]

Nolvadex is tamoxifen. Its used to prevent the effects of aromatization. So, Whatever its specific mechanism of action, for all intents and purposes its an AI.

 

[Docd187123]

Nolvadex is tamoxifen. Its used to prevent the effects of aromatization. So, Whatever its specific mechanism of action, for all intents and purposes its an AI.

Incorrect. An aromatase inhibitor inhibits the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone to estrogens. A SERM is a selective estrogen receptor modulator.

Nolva is a mixed agonist and antagonist so it doesn't only prevent the effect of estrogen on a receptor but in some cases it acts as estrogen.

For all intents and purposes it is NOT an AI.

 

[KingAlfred]

Your right, though its usially used interchangeably with something like Anastrozol during a cycle which though the mechinism of action is different still has the same ultimate result. Less estrogen.

 

[KingAlfred]

I'll be honest though, I haven't made pct a focus. Other than giving it time. Time usially just does the trick. I have always used HCG and clomid a couple of times and just kept taking Anastrozol though a lower amount than on cycle. Also, I have never lost a single pound of musclepost cycle. Or gained any noticable fat. So theres that.

 

[Docd187123]

Your right, though its usially used interchangeably with something like Anastrozol during a cycle which though the mechinism of action is different still has the same ultimate result. Less estrogen.

Still incorrect.

Anastrozole lowers estrogen. Nolva does not lower estrogen. In fact it can actually raise estrogen bc of the increase in LH which leads to increased testosterone production which then leads to increased aromatization.

One physically lowers estrogen levels while the other doesn't but inhibits the ability of estrogen to exert any effect in some tissue while exerting estrogenic effects in other tissue.

 

[KingAlfred]

Ok, thanx. why do so many people use tamoxifen on cycle and everyone says you can use Anastrozol or tomaxifen or this or that for the same purpose?

 

[Docd187123]

Ok, thanx. why do so many people use tamoxifen on cycle and everyone says you can use Anastrozol or tomaxifen or this or that for the same purpose?

People used tamoxifen on cycle back in the day before AIs like anastrozole were available. It can stop the effects of excessive estrogen to some degree bc on breast tissue for example, tamox acts as an antagonist to the estrogen receptor. This means it binds to the receptor and prevents it from activating. This is beneficial for gyno prevention and/or treatment.

Anastrozole on the other hand does nothing to the receptor but it lowers overall systemic levels of estrogen meaning there's less of it to go around.

Nowadays, I prefer to not use an AI like anastrozole unless elevated estrogen becomes symptomatic. I'll let I estrogen go up, within reason of course, so long as I don't get symptoms bc estrogen is beneficial for growth and strength. If I'm worried about gyno I'd take tamox. If estrogen sides become apparent I'll take adex to lower estrogen a bit.

 

[KingAlfred]

Yea, I've always used the Anastrozol just for cycles where I take a lot of test e and danabol. I take it with the danabol because I will take 50mg dbol twice a day which is a lot of aromatizing compounds when you combine that with a gram of test a week. Then its about 1mg Anastrozol EOD. Don't like to split it up too much since I've found that lot of danabol before I train is awsome. If I stack Tren and test I don't use an AI regilarly unless I think I need it or I add danabol. These are pretty short cycles too like 8 to 10 weeks. My pct is longer than my cycle which is probobly why I havnt had any problem.

 

[Kakarot]

I took the herbal bullshit test boosters for 3months before going on trt...first set of bloodwork was 201 second set was 187 or something like that. Didn't do a damn thing complete waste of money.

 

[Savagesteve]

I took the herbal bullshit test boosters for 3months before going on trt...first set of bloodwork was 201 second set was 187 or something like that. Didn't do a damn thing complete waste of money.

I know I've spent plenty of money on that herbal shit and it never did any good. Aas ftw