Will Power PCT Help Me?

[kokomo]

I started cycling several years ago, and ended up blasting and cruising for one year. My test never recovered (it has been ~1 year).

Here are my hormone levels:

Pre-B&C:
722 Serum Test

Post-B&C (1 year after PCT):
220 Serum Test
6.2 LH
3.5 FSH

(Misc. Bloods Before and After):
- Thyroid is good.
- Vitamins are all in range.
- Lipids all in range.

Based on my LH and FSH - am I a good candidate for a power PCT? I am confused why they are in normal range but my testosterone still hasn't recovered.

An explanation on the LH/FSH/Testosterone in this situation would be highly appreciated.

 

[kokomo]

Also - if I opt to go with the PoWeR PCT, should I still use HCG?

My understanding of HCG is that it was typically used to "jump-start LH and FSH".

 

[master.on]

Please post the reference ranges to get a clearer picture.

I'd use 500 IU HCG 3x/week for 1 month and get your T tested again.
If it rises T at least a bit then you can continue using HCG and increase its dose if needed. If it doesn't then you will need to start TRT right away as your testes ain't responding anymore.
Get your Estradiol tested as well.

 

[Dr__Jan_Itor]

As he said.

Did you take lh/fsh pre cycle?
Would be a good comparison if your funktion on that end has recovered fully.

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[kokomo]

As he said.

Did you take lh/fsh pre cycle?
Would be a good comparison if your funktion on that end has recovered fully.

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I don't have pre-cycle LH/FSH.

Here is all I have:

Pre-Cycle:
Testosterone Serum: 722, range 348-1197

Post-Cycle:
Testosterone Serum: 220, range 348-1197
LH 6.2, range 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.5, range 1.5-12.4
Estradoil: 12.9, range 7.6-42.6

 

[mands]

I don't have pre-cycle LH/FSH.

Here is all I have:

Pre-Cycle:
Testosterone Serum: 722, range 348-1197

Post-Cycle:
Testosterone Serum: 220, range 348-1197
LH 6.2, range 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.5, range 1.5-12.4
Estradoil: 12.9, range 7.6-42.6

How long have you been off? What PCT did you use if any? What drugs were you running and when did you stop them and start PCT?

mands

 

[master.on]

Your T is low but your LH ain't that low and estradiol ain't high
so you'll need to know if your testis are still responding
So 500 IU HCG 2x/week for 1 month would be a sure way to know if your testis will still respond to pct.
Then increase dose to 500 IU 3x week
If you don't get a fairly good T increase (assuming legit HCG) then pct won't work for you and you'll need to go into TRT.
Still I would do TRT+ some HCG

 

[kokomo]

How long have you been off? What PCT did you use if any? What drugs were you running and when did you stop them and start PCT?

mands

• Been off for ~1 year.
• PCT was shitty - nolva @ 20mg for 4 weeks.
• Drugs used: Test-E, Tren-E. Duration: ~8mos
• Started PCT two weeks after (bad too)

 

[mands]

• Been off for ~1 year.
• PCT was shitty - nolva @ 20mg for 4 weeks.
• Drugs used: Test-E, Tren-E. Duration: ~8mos
• Started PCT two weeks after (bad too)

Yes your PCT would be a fail. I think Scally's protocol would help. Have you tried to PM him or anything?

mands

 

[kokomo]

Yes your PCT would be a fail. I think Scally's protocol would help. Have you tried to PM him or anything?

mands

No PM's sent yet. I want to try a "HCG Test" first to try to check if HCG will effect my testicles. Has anyone on the board attempted one?

From what I've read - take 2000iu HCG for 8-10 days and get testosterone checked: if it is above 400 your testicles are responding and PCT might work - else you are out of luck.

 

[eryximachus]

Nolvadex is worthless for PCT in and of itself.

Run the HCG test as instructed, but given your situation, if your test numbers are good after the HCG test - I would try long term clomid. 6 months, 25mg per day.

 

[Dr JIM]

No PM's sent yet. I want to try a "HCG Test" first to try to check if HCG will effect my testicles. Has anyone on the board attempted one?

From what I've read - take 2000iu HCG for 8-10 days and get testosterone checked: if it is above 400 your testicles are responding and PCT might work - else you are out of luck.

Absent a baseline exam for testicular atrophy and HCG stim test would be the first assay, IMO. A dose of 1500IU QOD is fine and using more is NOT BETTER!

It must be PHARMACEUTICAL HCG to KNOW if your etiology is primary testicular failure.

After one year haven't you pursued a formal Endo eval?

I ask bc insurance will often cover a considerable portion of the cost for the INITIAL evaluation. Some insurers will also cover the cost of TREATMENT, including SERMS or TT.

Oh and for goodness sake, the Endo must lnow the TRUTH about your AAS use. The specifics are NOT relevant per say but he needs to know your hypogonadism are likely the result of AAS!

 

[kokomo]

Absent a baseline exam for testicular atrophy and HCG stim test would be the first assay, IMO. A dose of 1500IU QOD is fine and using more is NOT BETTER!

It must be PHARMACEUTICAL HCG to KNOW if your etiology is primary testicular failure.

After one year haven't you pursued a formal Endo eval?

I ask bc insurance will often cover a considerable portion of the cost for the INITIAL evaluation. Some insurers will also cover the cost of TREATMENT, including SERMS or TT.

Oh and for goodness sake, the Endo must lnow the TRUTH about your AAS use. The specifics are NOT relevant per say but he needs to know your hypogonadism are likely the result of AAS!

I have pharma HCG and have just finished using it at a dosage of ~2000iu EOD for 12 days. My lab results on day 12 where:

Testosterone (serum): 920 (range 348-1197)
LH: 9.1 (range 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 6.5 (range 1.5-12.4)
Estradoil: 50 (range 7.6-42.6)

I am going to try a PCT (45 days) of nolva and clomid and see what happens. If that doesn't work out I will try to get an endo and tell him about my AAS use (no insurance).

 

[Big_paul]

Oh and for goodness sake, the Endo must lnow the TRUTH about your AAS use.

As much as it hurts your pride be honest.

 

[Dr JIM]

I

Post-Cycle:
Testosterone Serum: 220, range 348-1197
LH 6.2, range 1.7-8.6
FSH 3.5, range 1.5-12.4
Estradoil: 12.9, range 7.6-42.6

Assuming you have NOT used any PEDS since, how long ago were these labs obtained ?

I NEED A DATE!

 

[Dr JIM]

I have pharma HCG and have just finished using it at a dosage of ~2000iu EOD for 12 days. My lab results on day 12 where:

Testosterone (serum): 920 (range 348-1197)
LH: 9.1 (range 1.7-8.6)
FSH: 6.5 (range 1.5-12.4)
Estradoil: 50 (range 7.6-42.6)

I am going to try a PCT (45 days) of nolva and clomid and see what happens. If that doesn't work out I will try to get an endo and tell him about my AAS use (no insurance).

Interesting, bc these labs suggest SERMS are NOT needed, as your gonadotropin and TT level are above or within the upper 10th percentile respectively.

 

[kokomo]

Assuming you have NOT used any PEDS since, how long ago were these labs obtained ?

I NEED A DATE!

Pre-Cycle labs where three years ago. I finished my b&c PCT 10 mos ago. Lab results with low t where taken two months ago due to lack of libido and constant fatigue. Lab results with 922 test taken last week while on 2000iu HCG eod

 

[Dr JIM]

Seems quite likely you may have recovered but it's difficult to know for sure absent a complete H & P

Go ahead and start the SERMS as planned .

 

[aziz shavershian]

how do you feel now any update ?

 

[kokomo]

how do you feel now any update ?

I have quit the HCG and I am now running 50mg clomid / 20mg nolvadex daily. My sex drive has diminished and I am fatigued again. I will be running clomid 30 days, and nolvadex 45 days. I will get bloodwork shortly afterwards to see if the PoWeR PCT worked. If it does not, I will suck it up and probably get on TRT (from doctor) unless anyone here with experience in ASIH has other opinions on what to do.