Winter Dry(ish) Bulk

[JeffGear]

Hey guys, I'm a new member hoping to get some advice on the bulk I'm planning to run starting in December (I will be posting a cycle log). For context, I'm 6'3" 240lbs at about 12% BF. I trained naturally until I turned 30, then I started TRT (200mg/week). I trained on TRT for a few months before running my first blast for 10 weeks at 500mg/week of test with 30mg/day of winstrol added during the last 5 weeks. My second cycle was 500 test, 300 deca, and 300 mast-e for 16 weeks with 30mg/day dbol for the first 4 weeks.

I've done some reading since that second cycle and while I want to run another 16 week blast in a calorie surplus, I'm looking for something a bit more dry this time. I didn't like gaining and losing all of that water in cycle #2 and it wreaked havoc on my blood pressure. I did however like the way deca made my joints feel. I want to include it in this cycle but with a few changes to the rest of the stack. Here's what I plan on doing and why. I'd really appreciate some input.

Protocol Weeks 1-16:
-Test E: 350mg/week
-Deca: 250mg/week
-Mast E: 400mg/week
-Equipoise: 600mg/week

-All AAS will be evenly split between two weekly injections totaling 3cc each. I know 1600mg total may be a lot for a 3rd cycle but I'm a pretty large guy and I'm sticking to mild compounds for now. I have competitive aspirations in classic physique.​

Reasoning: I've read that it's wise to include a member of each of the three AAS families in a stack to take advantage of their synergistic properties while keeping the total dose of any one compound (and therefore its side effects) in the low-moderate range.

Testosterone Enanthate- I want to run my test a bit lower as I'm a pretty heavy aromatizer despite staying fairly lean. I've read that aromatase inhibitors can adversely impact health/growth so I want to minimize their use. I'd also like to cut the water retention down a bit from my last cycle.​

Nandrolone Decanoate- I didn't have any sexual dysfunction at 300mg and it definitely gave a solid boost to growth compared to test alone. It also made my joints feel nice. I've reduced the dose slightly to further reduce water retention.​

Masteron Enanthate- It really boosts libido and I'm sure it counteracted some of the potential sexual dysfunction I could have gotten from deca. It's included for that reason along with a small boost to growth and for its effect on estrogen. I'm not prone to hair loss.​

Boldenone Undecyclenate- This will be my first experience with EQ. I'm adding it at 600mg to further boost anabolism while keeping estrogen conversion and water retention low. I've heard it called the "poor man's primo", especially when paired with masteron. Though I wish I could run primo as my primary anabolic, based on what I've read/heard, I'm not keen on the cost or high injection volumes.​

I have plenty of Aromasin and Arimidex on hand if needed but my hope is to only need half a tablet of either dosed twice per week at most. I'll include the basic multivitamins, fish oil, etc. with this blast alongside a relatively clean 500-750 calorie surplus training PPL 2x/week. I plan on donating blood about half way through to cut down on the RBC increase from EQ. I'm also considering throwing in a low side effect oral like Turinabol or Anavar titrated up in dose from weeks 9-16 to keep things from getting stale like they did at the tale end of my last cycle. If anyone has any recommendations for adjusting doses or adding/removing certain compounds, I'm all ears. Thanks!

 

[FlyGuy3232]

Cool, when do you start?

 

[CrispyRockClimber]

Just my opinion but I’d drop the EQ and bump test 400 mast to 600 and switch Deca to NPP at 350 for twelve weeks. I prefer to reserve long cycles for contest prep.

 

[JeffGear]

Cool, when do you start?

I'm stoked. I could start sooner, as I've been cruising long enough but my girl and I are taking a trip for a week the day after Thanksgiving. I don't want to waste a week.

 

[JeffGear]

Just my opinion but I’d drop the EQ and bump test 400 mast to 600 and switch Deca to NPP at 350 for twelve weeks. I prefer to reserve long cycles for contest prep.

Thanks for the input! Why would you make those changes to the compounds? I've read a lot of positive reviews of NPP. Can you get stable blood levels injecting it only twice per week? I'm trying to avoid high injection frequencies if possible. Also, why 12 weeks instead of 16, do you find that the benefit/cost ratio gets worse running that long?

 

[FlyGuy3232]

Thanks for the input! Why would you make those changes to the compounds? I've read a lot of positive reviews of NPP. Can you get stable blood levels injecting it only twice per week? I'm trying to avoid high injection frequencies if possible. Also, why 12 weeks instead of 16, do you find that the benefit/cost ratio gets worse running that long?

I like NPP daily but I also seem to clear/metabolize compounds quickly.

You can run NPP + deca the first few weeks and then just do deca twice a week after that.

 

[CrispyRockClimber]

Thanks for the input! Why would you make those changes to the compounds? I've read a lot of positive reviews of NPP. Can you get stable blood levels injecting it only twice per week? I'm trying to avoid high injection frequencies if possible. Also, why 12 weeks instead of 16, do you find that the benefit/cost ratio gets worse running that long?

just my preference, mostly cause I still cycle&PCT since your on TRT it’s not that big of a deal. And yes you would need to inject 3 times a week with the NPP.

 

[gabody]

Nice plan, I hope you start soon

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I've never ran that many compounds at once but none them are at effective doses. idk maybe the cumulative total will still give you good anabolism. I'm curious too haha. I wonder if the lack of aromatization will effect you negatively or not.

 

[JeffGear]

I've never ran that many compounds at once but none them are at effective doses. idk maybe the cumulative total will still give you good anabolism. I'm curious too haha. I wonder if the lack of aromatization will effect you negatively or not.

I find the concept of an "effective dose" of any AAS to be suspect. I know I'm not a very experienced user yet so I'm primarily going off of research for now. But they all bind to the same androgen receptor, right? And while they may have different secondary effects, binding affinities, etc. the primary effect of all of them is to increase muscle protein synthesis and decrease muscle protein breakdown, resulting in higher net anabolism. I can accept that any compound when used in isolation (or as the only addition to a testosterone base) may have to be ran at no less than a certain "minimum effective dose" for the net anabolism over the course of a typical cycle length to be really noticeable by the user. But my understanding is that when used as part of a stack, the "minimum effective dose" of any given compound is much lower than when said compound is used in isolation. "Effective Doses" are also of course relative to the level of advancement of the user. I'm sure Dorian Yates in his prime could have added 450mg of EQ to everything else he was taking and not noticed it. But someone with just a couple of low dose cycles under their belt and a shit ton of growing to do would probably see a lot of benefit from adding that much EQ to say their 500 Testosterone and 300 Nandrolone stack. People regurgitate that the minimum effective dose of EQ (just to keep using the same example) is something like 800mg but I have a hard time believing that adding 450mg to a stack is going to do basically nothing. Surely that isn't the case? Could it be because including a "weaker" compound with a high binding affinity can occupy the finite number of androgen receptors, thus preventing the other "stronger" compounds (test, nandrolone, etc.) from taking effect? I don't know, I could be way off. I'm admittedly just a noob trying to maximize the benefit-cost ratio of using gear.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I find the concept of an "effective dose" of any AAS to be suspect. I know I'm not a very experienced user yet so I'm primarily going off of research for now. But they all bind to the same androgen receptor, right? And while they may have different secondary effects, binding affinities, etc. the primary effect of all of them is to increase muscle protein synthesis and decrease muscle protein breakdown, resulting in higher net anabolism. I can accept that any compound when used in isolation (or as the only addition to a testosterone base) may have to be ran at no less than a certain "minimum effective dose" for the net anabolism over the course of a typical cycle length to be really noticeable by the user. But my understanding is that when used as part of a stack, the "minimum effective dose" of any given compound is much lower than when said compound is used in isolation. "Effective Doses" are also of course relative to the level of advancement of the user. I'm sure Dorian Yates in his prime could have added 450mg of EQ to everything else he was taking and not noticed it. But someone with just a couple of low dose cycles under their belt and a shit ton of growing to do would probably see a lot of benefit from adding that much EQ to say their 500 Testosterone and 300 Nandrolone stack. People regurgitate that the minimum effective dose of EQ (just to keep using the same example) is something like 800mg but I have a hard time believing that adding 450mg to a stack is going to do basically nothing. Surely that isn't the case? Could it be because including a "weaker" compound with a high binding affinity can occupy the finite number of androgen receptors, thus preventing the other "stronger" compounds (test, nandrolone, etc.) from taking effect? I don't know, I could be way off. I'm admittedly just a noob trying to maximize the benefit-cost ratio of using gear.

Yea to be honest I haven't seen a lot of evidence about what takes place in the body during stacked cycle. Some people say the higher binding affinity compounds will take precedence over lower binding affinity compounds. I've also heard that your body responds too aas by creating more ARs. I have some experience with dosages and know that many aas need way higher than what is recommended to be effective. I would really like to hear about how it all works out for you. Are you going to take bloods? Cause that would be great to see too. I do like your approach creating the most anabolism possible with as many path ways