Worst story you witnessed health wise of steroid users?

Either we like it or no, genetics is the main deciding factor in ones lifespan.

You have the health freak that watched his diet, exercised and didn't smoke dropping dead in his 60s and my wife's granddad that smoked like a chimney, ate whatever, fought two wars, had lead bullets in his body, drunk a few rivers dry and died in his 90s of old age.

So, if your genetics are average you will live probably the average lifespan, if you have shit genetics you will have a shorter life and great genetics will give you a long life. Surely PEDs will cut a few years short, as alcohol, smoking, bad diet etc, but they are not the main deciding factor.

Some people succeed in spite of what they do rather than because of it. We all know the relative who drank every day, smoked 2 packs a day, never had a day's illness in their lives and lived till they were 85.

They're the exception to the rule, ignoring the hundreds of thousands that don't make it anywhere near that age every year.
 
Dont oxidize the tool that is god given. once broken. need a dif. tool. no brainer.

example: use a philips to unscrew the nail. strip the nail. what do... @narta now use a different tool that WILL have sides? now imagine several nails. the more you strip ??? RIP

Having a High IQ is understanding metaphors/analogies. Common sense, so rare.
 
Alright, lets be clear. Please show me networth these bodybuilders, do YOUR research, they have youtube channels for a reason, they have podcasts for a reason, they push pre-workouts for a reason, they try and sign movie deals/ docs for a reason, dude stfu. fr.

Im sure they used blood meds later in there career. they didnt go pro/olympic taking blood meds after there first/second/third blast by listening to re-sellers/shills on meso.

Obese noobs taking tren and a couple other orals/oils going crazy now stuck on bloods, soon selling there account to these UGL or ghosting the account.

Take blood meds listening to shills on here will result on a re-post "i feel shitty cuz i blasted now stuck on blood meds" fuck outta here. 80% people take PEDS because there over weight. Or they legit get pharma because they are legit competitors and shined, and coaches will WANT to coach/sponser them.

semaglutide and these other GLP money scams are opening the doors. (to new accounts, noobs, accounts who will be the victims).

I hope the females dont fall victim. fuck these noob male shills.

for those researching, LESS is MORE.
There are thousands of bodybuilders in the world and who make enough money to live from bodybuilding is not even 5%. Top Olympia and top guys from US make money from bodybuilding.
From who has a pro card I speak here because others who just compete at local level and win is out of question to make anything.
I know 2 guys who are pro and one who try to but neither one live from that. They either have people who train or have a job in IT. One of them has a youtube channel but makes 2-3k views on a video. That's nothing $ wise.
In sports only the top makes money from doing that sport for the rest is a hobby.
Average bodybuilding make money from couching or live cam

How many bodybuilders have sign to act in a movie? We live in a different world
 
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Some people succeed in spite of what they do rather than because of it. We all know the relative who drank every day, smoked 2 packs a day, never had a day's illness in their lives and lived till they were 85.

They're the exception to the rule, ignoring the hundreds of thousands that don't make it anywhere near that age every year.
Didn't mention success or failure in what you do, but rather the role that genetics play in ones lifespan. You can somewhat change the outcome but not by much.

Same exact thing with newborns and all the new techniques that supposedly will give them superior reflexes and higher iq. No it won't. It will help them achieve their genetic potential faster , but can not alter it's limit.

PEDs will cause harm, but the better diet, exercise and lowering or eliminating other factors as smoking and excessive drinking will somewhat offset said harm.
 
example: use a philips to unscrew the nail. strip the nail. what do... @narta now use a different tool that WILL have sides? now imagine several nails. the more you strip ??? RIP
You are more dumb than annoying tbh cause you fail to comprehend simple things.
One question: Do you have or plan to have children? If you do, don't.
 
True. Stroke could have been caused by anything, steroids may have sped up the process
Heart attacks are mostly caused by the huge excess weight (110+ kg) carried for decades in bodybuilders. Of course, excessive steroid consumption also contributes to this.
 
Of course there are a lot of story like this, but in my personal experience i remember Daniele Seccarecci, by far the strongest italian bodybuilder in that period. He was born in Livorno, but he moved and lived in Taranto (the city i was born and live still today) and i started training many years ago in his same gym. I remember that period, this HUGE man training with us.... so awesome and humble man, always sharing tips and knowledge about training, technique ecc.... his girlfriend was brigitta Bulgari, an ex pornostar, and i remember me and my friends look at them leaving the gym after training with their gray lamborghini! He missed olympia qualifications some times, so he fell in a spiral of depression and obsession.... we think he increased too much his dosages in the last months... one day, his mother went to the bathroom and found him dead on the ground... heart attack... it was in the 2013, he was just 33 years old.
Not different then many stories about bodybuilders dead for heart attack, but i cannot imagine something worse then a mother entering in a room and finding his son dead because of drugs he took...

this was him at the peak of his condition.
 

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A friend of mine, huge guy. 130kg at 185cm. Was hypertension for years, ignored treatment. Developed acute renal insufficiency, went on dialysis, lost 70kg in less then a year and commited suicide.

I always tell people to take care of their basics, high blood pressure, lipids, arteries.
 
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