Wunderpus' get bigger cycle

jamiecarson

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yes but for me even on armidex on deca evrything obove 600mg i get prolactin sides. and need through in caber. Just my personal expirience.
have you ran deca before in these amounts?
i find this compound realy starts shining 800mg +.
last bulk i was running 1g was awesome.
 

Wunderpus

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yes but for me even on armidex on deca evrything obove 600mg i get prolactin sides. and need through in caber. Just my personal expirience.
have you ran deca before in these amounts?
i find this compound realy starts shining 800mg +.
last bulk i was running 1g was awesome.
Yeah bro, I've run deca higher than this. I think anything above 800 is pissing in the wind. Your prolactin issues were from your E2 related issues. Probably bunk AI or not enough. Wasn't from this mysterious deca-caused prolactin.

19-NOR's do not convert to prolactin.
 

Wunderpus

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Yesterday was chest day, and back to the good gym, so yay!

Warmup- Flat bench (15) wide grip dips (12) dumbbell flys (12)

Flat Bench-
10 sets of bodyweight (245# is easier than 230#) till failure. Fuck, Rich Piana was talking about this one. This is way harder than it sounds, give it a try.
225# (10, 8, 8)
185# (12, 10)
135# 30 reps

I was feeling pretty pumped after that, and my shoulder was a little fucked up from the winny pin in the delt (I hate water based shit) so I skipped the incline bench.

Pec Deck- 15, 12, 10, 8, 6
Hammer Strength Wide Chest- 12, 10, 8, 8, 6
Incline DB flys- 10, 8, 8, 6, 5
Hammer Strength Incline Chest (god damn I was feeling pumped and sore for some reason)- 10, 8, 8, (D-set 12, 10, 8)
Hammer Strength Decline Chest- 12, 10, 8 (D-set 14, 10, 6, 3)
Seated Fly Machine - 16, 12, 10, 8 (D-set 12, 10, 8, 6)

In 4 days I'll focus my chest workout a little more on dips, incline bench and cable work. I find it's best to work muscles every 4 days, but rotate the actual routines, weights and reps. This wasn't my best workout, I was stuck with a time constraint. But, I got a great pump and sweat. No intraworkout Gatorade or Xtend, forgot it at home.

Post workout 2 cups (cooked) white rice, 3 cups broccoli and 2 grilled chicken breasts.

Ended the day at 428 g protein.

I am beginning to remember why I hate winny depot. It hurts. And what a pain in the ass, pinning that ED, and then my oil based gear ED. Quickly losing interest in winny for this cycle.
 
Without E2, there is no prolactin. Deca won't convert to E2.

Deca does aromatize just not as much as testosterone but you're right, treating increased E2 will take care of prolactin issues should they arise.

“Nandrolone has a low tendency for estrogen conversion, estimated to be only about 20% of that seen with testosterone.434 This is because while the liver can convert nandrolone to estradiol, in other more active sites of steroid aromatization such as adipose tissue nandrolone is far less open to this process.435 Consequently, estrogen-related side effects are a much lower concern with this drug than with testosterone.”

Excerpt From: Llewellyn, William. “Anabolics.” iBooks.
 

Wunderpus

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Deca does aromatize just not as much as testosterone but you're right, treating increased E2 will take care of prolactin issues should they arise.

“Nandrolone has a low tendency for estrogen conversion, estimated to be only about 20% of that seen with testosterone.434 This is because while the liver can convert nandrolone to estradiol, in other more active sites of steroid aromatization such as adipose tissue nandrolone is far less open to this process.435 Consequently, estrogen-related side effects are a much lower concern with this drug than with testosterone.”

Excerpt From: Llewellyn, William. “Anabolics.” iBooks.
I basically consider it non-aromatizing as it's so minimal. I have more E2 effects from EQ than deca. .5mg/day of Adex seems to cover those bases.
 

dmt31

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Yesterday was chest day, and back to the good gym, so yay!

Warmup- Flat bench (15) wide grip dips (12) dumbbell flys (12)

Flat Bench-
10 sets of bodyweight (245# is easier than 230#) till failure. Fuck, Rich Piana was talking about this one. This is way harder than it sounds, give it a try.
225# (10, 8, 8)
185# (12, 10)
135# 30 reps

I was feeling pretty pumped after that, and my shoulder was a little fucked up from the winny pin in the delt (I hate water based shit) so I skipped the incline bench.

Pec Deck- 15, 12, 10, 8, 6
Hammer Strength Wide Chest- 12, 10, 8, 8, 6
Incline DB flys- 10, 8, 8, 6, 5
Hammer Strength Incline Chest (god damn I was feeling pumped and sore for some reason)- 10, 8, 8, (D-set 12, 10, 8)
Hammer Strength Decline Chest- 12, 10, 8 (D-set 14, 10, 6, 3)
Seated Fly Machine - 16, 12, 10, 8 (D-set 12, 10, 8, 6)

In 4 days I'll focus my chest workout a little more on dips, incline bench and cable work. I find it's best to work muscles every 4 days, but rotate the actual routines, weights and reps. This wasn't my best workout, I was stuck with a time constraint. But, I got a great pump and sweat. No intraworkout Gatorade or Xtend, forgot it at home.

Post workout 2 cups (cooked) white rice, 3 cups broccoli and 2 grilled chicken breasts.

Ended the day at 428 g protein.

I am beginning to remember why I hate winny depot. It hurts. And what a pain in the ass, pinning that ED, and then my oil based gear ED. Quickly losing interest in winny for this cycle.
Try doing flat and incline DB drop sets and less hammer strength next time. Not heavy DBs, you shouldn't be struggling to get 10 reps per weight up, and make sure you go slow on the negative and hold the squeeze at the top. You'll thank me later. Good luck on your cycle brother.
 

Wunderpus

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Try doing flat and incline DB drop sets and less hammer strength next time. Not heavy DBs, you shouldn't be struggling to get 10 reps per weight up, and make sure you go slow on the negative and hold the squeeze at the top. You'll thank me later. Good luck on your cycle brother.
Definitely. So, these are all controlled movements. I'm also not a powerlifter, so I'm much more concerned with the muscle's contractions. Also, I'll throw in forced negatives next time. The machines have their place IMHO, it's really helpful to isolate the muscle, apply negatives and to avoid cheating.
 

dmt31

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Definitely. So, these are all controlled movements. I'm also not a powerlifter, so I'm much more concerned with the muscle's contractions. Also, I'll throw in forced negatives next time. The machines have their place IMHO, it's really helpful to isolate the muscle, apply negatives and to avoid cheating.
yeah I do cables and hammer strength stuff at the end of my chest routine. But ive seen much better size increase in my chest, and specifically my upper chest after I added a lot of light dumbell work. I'm no power lifter nor do I want to be. I just know what's worked best for me
 

Wunderpus

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yeah I do cables and hammer strength stuff at the end of my chest routine. But ive seen much better size increase in my chest, and specifically my upper chest after I added a lot of light dumbell work. I'm no power lifter nor do I want to be. I just know what's worked best for me
I'll definitely try it out. I like dumbbells to help with plateaus. I think it's the purest form of lifting, very hard to cheat and it evens out strength imbalances.
 

Roamer

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Update-

Yesterday was back day. Unfortunately, I had to go to my old gym (long story) and their equipment is lacking for back exercises.

Preworkout of Xyience Energy Drink, 2 TBSP of virgin coconut oil, 20g's creatine mono
Intraworkout was 2 scoop of Xtend, followed by a 32 oz Gatorade (fast carbs will push you through this sort of hell)

All exercises were performed with explosive positive movement (still controlled), holding at the top (get that tight contraction) and slowly lowered on the negative. I see too many noobs whipping weight around and not actually contracting the muscle, or engaging the wrong muscle entirely. Normally, this means you need to leave the ego at the door, and lift lighter weight.

Rope straight arm pulldowns (warm up the lats)- 25, 15, 12
Lat pull downs (wide)- 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6
Parallel bar pull downs (these engage the lower parts of my lats)- 12, 10, 10, 6
Narrow grip pull downs (my favorite back movement, great for lower traps, rhomboids and teres major)- 12, 10, 8, 6, 3
Seated row (close grip)- 15, 12, 10, 8, 6
Seated row with wide lat pull down bar (insane for lats and rhomboids)- 15, 12, 8, 6
Bent over rows- 10, 10, 8, 6, 3, 1 (man this felt heavy that day for some reason)
Hammerstrength high row- 3 drop sets of 12, 10, 6
Hammerstrength low row- 3 drop sets of 12, 10, 6

Burnouts-
Lat pull downs- 2 drop sets of 12, 8, 6, 3
Seated row (close grip)- 2 drop sets of 10, 8, 6 (I was getting burnt the fuck out)
Hyperextension bench with 45lb plate - 3 sets of 20 reps

Throughout back day I have a personal goal to achieve 50 wide grip pull ups throughout the routine. Sometimes that's 5 sets of 10, sometimes it's more like 25 sets of 2! Haha. I work them in, at random times.

Abs-
Hanging leg raises - 3 sets, 2 sets of 18 reps 1 set of 12 reps with a 5lb DB in between my feet (try it)
Decline Bench leg raises- 3 sets of 20
Abdominal crunch with rope pull down - 3 drop sets 20, 12, 8

Ideally my girl would've worked out with me to provide forced negatives, but she wanted to hangout on the Stairmaster, we'll be at the beach next week.

Post workout meal - 75% of a roasted chicken, approximately 4 cups of whole smashed potatoes, 10 or so asparagus spears and a Oikos Triple Zero Vanilla. An hour later I had a 60g of protein shake with 6 hardboiled eggs.

This may seem like a lot of volume and training. It is. The gear, my diet and rest should allow me to keep this pace up. As Lee Priest once said "You'll never see a professional body builder spend only 45 minutes in the gym."

Any input is appreciated.

Finished up around 435 g of protein yesterday, didn't track carbs or anything else.

Man....that's a hell of a workout ! do you mind me asking how long it took? Also, how come the food before the shake? Is that just personal preference brother? I know that EQ will turbo boost your appetite !!

I only ask because everything I have read, and coaches I have hired have recommended me to consume a shale around 15-30 minutes post workout with dextrose in it.

Keep killing it brother !!
 

HuckingFuge

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I basically consider it non-aromatizing as it's so minimal. I have more E2 effects from EQ than deca. .5mg/day of Adex seems to cover those bases.



EQ and Deca are both minimal on converting to E2. you may have gotten Test instead of EQ if said EQ made your estrogen go up.
 
Those are some big boy doses my friend. I noticed you take 20g creatine mono intra workout? Why so much? Your kidneys must be screamin. My creatine levels on my bloods are fucked and I had to stop taking pre workouts with creatine.
 

rigs03

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So basically you just STARTED your chest workout with 16 sets of at bench? Fuck man, I swear every thread on here I read lately makes me realize how much more I should increase volume! I think I've gotten stuck into same shit and am in a rut. Maybe I'll just start coping your workouts exactly lol. How long were you in the gym for?
 

Wunderpus

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So basically you just STARTED your chest workout with 16 sets of at bench? Fuck man, I swear every thread on here I read lately makes me realize how much more I should increase volume! I think I've gotten stuck into same shit and am in a rut. Maybe I'll just start coping your workouts exactly lol. How long were you in the gym for?
Probably a little over an hour and a half.

As far as volume, that's tricky to answer. I go in waves to be honest. Some workouts I go ultra heavy, with minimal sets. Sometimes, I do stuff more like the above workout.

Hell, sometimes I workout until I don't have 'the pump' anymore and I'll go home. It varies a lot.
 

Wunderpus

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EQ and Deca are both minimal on converting to E2. you may have gotten Test instead of EQ if said EQ made your estrogen go up.
Huck you're probably right, in the past it may have been test. Takes a few weeks to actually know. But, the sides of eq are very specific and unique. Once you know, you know.


Either way, with over a gram of test, any further aromatizing compounds seem to make a difference for E2 levels. .5mg adex / day has been solid. Darius' adex is nicely dosed.
 

Wunderpus

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Man....that's a hell of a workout ! do you mind me asking how long it took? Also, how come the food before the shake? Is that just personal preference brother? I know that EQ will turbo boost your appetite !!

I only ask because everything I have read, and coaches I have hired have recommended me to consume a shale around 15-30 minutes post workout with dextrose in it.

Keep killing it brother !!
I ALWAYS prefer real food to a shake (in regards to quality). Sometimes I'll drink a shake on the stairmaster after lifting (I prefer the isopure mass, the milky ones taste gross to me while I'm still working out).
 

Wunderpus

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Friends- posts will be limited on my log for the next few days. Enjoying some time on the beach, and found a killer gym here.

An update tho-

Cutting out the clen, it's counterprouctive at this point, the sweating and the increased heart rate make it very difficult.

Still on the fence about this winny depot. Curious to try injectable dbol and drol, has anyone tried that before?
 

alexgt149

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Friends- posts will be limited on my log for the next few days. Enjoying some time on the beach, and found a killer gym here.

An update tho-

Cutting out the clen, it's counterprouctive at this point, the sweating and the increased heart rate make it very difficult.

Still on the fence about this winny depot. Curious to try injectable dbol and drol, has anyone tried that before?
R u going to show us some pics sweatie?
 
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