Yellow Sclera on Tren

[MrFatso]

I agree with you to stop everything.

You would potentially be doing a lot of people a big favor if you took Dr Jim up on his offer to get it all tested....

The problem is I am not from the USA but from Germany so sending such items would not be easy.
Especially because I have no idea how to properly pack stuff stealthy.

 

[NFRCR]

Any updates? Alive?

 

[MrFatso]

Haha yea still alive.
Problem is a week ago I took the 250mg test and the adex and a few days later my values were worse again. So I am now exactly one week without taking anything.
I hope the shit will soon clear my body and I will feel better.
Have another appointment with my doc to check on my bloods next week will update with the results.

 

[NFRCR]

The test was homebrew as well, right? And arimidex?

This honestly does not seem a normal reaction, you're probably putting something toxic into yourself.

Good luck recovering.

 

[MrFatso]

Adex was pharmasource own pressed tabs aswell. I kind of have my doubts about the adex being good. It has a very weird taste to it and I also only was using it for 4 weeks before the first symptoms of the toxic reaction appeared.
Threw it all away now so all I can say is to be very careful about where you get your stuff from

 

[Evom1]

Adex was pharmasource own pressed tabs aswell. I kind of have my doubts about the adex being good. It has a very weird taste to it and I also only was using it for 4 weeks before the first symptoms of the toxic reaction appeared.
Threw it all away now so all I can say is to be very careful about where you get your stuff from

Thought I read something not too long ago about a source messing up and sending out halotestin labeled as aromasin

 

[redbull3906]

I was discussing a medical issue of my own in a pm with someone and learned of this thread. Very interesting. My first advice would be go to the emergency room immediately. A close second would be to drop everything you are taking. Another train of thought would be to drop them one at a time to see which one is causing the issue along with blood work but that isn't a very good one. This is your body and health we are talking about here. You only get one. If you drop everything and it doesn't get better then they will eventually figure out what your illness is and treat it accordingly. All home brew and UG gear is suspect as being bad. Period, end of conversation. If it's pharm grade it can still be a very real culprit.

I see you posted blood work but it mostly looks Greek to me being in German. That is a lot of blood work there. Does anyone see an alt/ ast value there? I also see no HEPBsAg test. If they haven't ran a hepC or A test they need to as well. Either these tests are missing or I can't read German (which I can't lol) but I can tell what some of the tests are.

Looks like you ran high tren a and moderate test (we don't know what's bunk and what's real) and assuming it's real and close to the label on potency I would say that in most cases that would cause some sides for most, even experienced users if you are new to juicing then I'd say you jumped in with both feet on the tren and the test. Adex can be hepatoxic but not as bad as most 17aa orals are. I would expect to see a tanked hdl, slightly elevated hepatic function test, some aggression and the usual psychological issues and psychological issues such as night sweats, and sleepless nights by week eight, but not organ failure or jaundice. No chemical induced hepatitis or kidney issues. Makes me wonder if you have a underlying condition like hepb, which wouldn't explain the kidney issues, or there is something in your environment that is causing this issue. It very well could be some adulterant in one or more of the products you were taking or it could be the lack of water and nutrients while on supralogical amounts of tren and test. Drop everything and go clean on your diet. Lots of water. No partying. Keep us posted man. I hope they figure this out and you get well soon my friend. This could be harm prevention for others as well.

I would jump all over the offer to get everything you are taking tested. For free to boot. Just send several ml and some tabs of everything you are taking to Doc and let him test it. Can't hurt. If someone sees alt/ ast in his labs please post them. Thanks. Get well soon.

 

[MrFatso]

Alt and Ast are declared as Got and Gpt in this blood work.

I was in fact tested for a hepatitis infection but no blood work nor the liver biopsy showed any signs of an infection.

The results of the biopsy actually would rather fit a hepatitis induced by using medication.

In fact I dropped everything and threw it all in the bin yesterday morning. I'm done with roids and it is just not worth it for me. I somehow felt like I almost lost the fun in lifting while on gear. Very little sleep always moody and I just didn't feel good on gear especially on my last cycle. Back to the natty life and back to enjoying life and lifting it is for me.

 

[redbull3906]

Alt/ ast aren't crazy high but something to be concerned about. A little higher than what I would expect from what you were running. I assume the biopsy showed no cirrhosis. Any fibrosis of the liver mentioned in the biopsy? I think you will see a vast improvement if you stay off everything for about six weeks. You will probably fully recover if it was induced by the peds. Good thing you are sensible about things and sought medical help. Could have been dirty gear, the orals, lack of food and water or possibly the tren being too high. Full recovery prediction for you my friend.

 

[stayinalive]

Fatso mentioned on page 3 the lab is Pharmacon. Given their recent string of complaints, it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't contain trenbolone, but if it contains an unlisted 17-AA AAS, that would be unforgivable. Especially if a substitution was intentionally used to trick the user into believing they were taking tren, which seems pretty likely for a lab that claims to test everything they sell.

Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store

This guy here has elevated liver and kidney and he used the same gear this unfortunate man did. What is an unclassified 17aa and how would you know what it is?

@Dr JIM

 

[ELCID]

Jaundice....stop that shit asap

 

[JackSmooth]

@MrFatso
@Evom1
I have pharmasources pressed adex I haven't taken yet but planned on in the next few months. Glad I stumbled upon this thread I'll be wary of it while on.

 

[ELCID]

Some have misunderstood my position on what to tell ps HCP.

- first and foremost, deflect, detour or dismiss direct lines of questioning about AAS use IF one must, but for Goodness sake don't outright lie!

- tell them what they NEED to know and IF that includes an admission of AAS use, so be it, bc the truth is better than "requiring further testing to figure out what's going on here"

At the extreme, Im aware of at least TWO liver BX that were conducted bc the BBs refused to admit to running oral AAS, in spite of deranged LFTs.

- THose who remain uncomfortable about a blatant admission of PED use, then AT LEAST give your docs SOMETHING
to go on.

(Detour) And by that I mean let them know your are using BB "supplements" that you obtained on line.

(Detract) Stating "I'll admit it doc based upon what I've read on line, I'm not even sure what's in those, powders, pills or provisions!

(Deflect)?Then pose the question- hey Doc you think that stuff can or may contain STEROIDS bc I'm gaining weight and my strength has improved when taking them.

FINALLY, I believe it's VERY important to mention "steroids" bc it encourages less than informed Docs to at least think yea perhaps "steroids" are responsible for THIS patients issues.
Jim

To hell with being uncomfortable. ...Doctor Patient privilege...tell him the truth and possibly save your life.

 

[MrFatso]

UPDATE:
Doc rechecked my recent bloodwork and noticed increased copper values.
Will have an appointment with the eye doctor tomorrow to check for any signs of the Kayser–Fleischer ring.

 

[redbull3906]

UPDATE:
Doc rechecked my recent bloodwork and noticed increased copper values.
Will have an appointment with the eye doctor tomorrow to check for any signs of the Kayser–Fleischer ring.

Interesting. Saving all the gear would not have been a bad idea. Having it tested for impurities would rule things in or out for you.

 

[redbull3906]

First thing that popped up on a google search.

"Increased blood and urine copper concentrations and normal or increased ceruloplasmin levels may indicate exposure to excess copper or may be associated with conditions that decrease copper excretion, such as chronic liver disease, or that release copper from tissues, such as acute hepatitis.Oct 30, 2015"

May be your liver is not getting rid of normal amounts due to it being stressed. Have them continue to monitor the liver bro.

 

[Ophydian]

The common denominator with all of these symptoms seems to be a type of hepatitis either being a cute or drug induced

 

[MrFatso]

Alright guys another update:
In the meantime ,despite the fact that I had dropped everything, instead of getting better my condition was getting worse and worse and I had to be readministrated to the hospital. This itching was unbearable and my whole body was ,and still to a degree is, yellow-orange colored.
When my bilirubin levels exceeded 50 mg/dl I was moved into another hospital specialized on hepatology in case I would need a quick transplantation or special treatment.
There I had to stay for a week. I am still slowly recovering. I am getting less and less yellow and my bloods keep getting better.

So to conclude: what I was shooting up my arse was most probably not just Test E and Tren Ace. I am done with roids and obviously wished I would have never went down this road. And maybe for some this can help understand why you should be very careful when choosing what you're putting into your body especially when youre still young...

 

[Erin]

Alright guys another update:
In the meantime ,despite the fact that I had dropped everything, instead of getting better my condition was getting worse and worse and I had to be readministrated to the hospital. This itching was unbearable and my whole body was ,and still to a degree is, yellow-orange colored.
When my bilirubin levels exceeded 50 mg/dl I was moved into another hospital specialized on hepatology in case I would need a quick transplantation or special treatment.
There I had to stay for a week. I am still slowly recovering. I am getting less and less yellow and my bloods keep getting better.

So to conclude: what I was shooting up my arse was most probably not just Test E and Tren Ace. I am done with roids and obviously wished I would have never went down this road. And maybe for some this can help understand why you should be very careful when choosing what you're putting into your body especially when youre still young...

Sorry about your experience, but glad you are recovering.
Great lessons to 1) stick to pharma and 2) see a healthcare provider early and be honest about possible causes.

 

[redbull3906]

Would've been helpful to have the solutions you were injecting tested.