Yellow Sclera on Tren

[MrFatso]

UPDATE:
Alright guys the results of the liver biopsy match the diagnosis of a drug-induced hepatites. Right now I am on 250mg Test E per week and 0,5mg adex e3d. No other medications.
The weird thing is the fact that my liver values especially the bilirubin still get worse.
When I first got into the hospital they were at 14,8. Next day 15,2. The day after 19 and according to the doc today they were even worse. He didn't mention any specific number though. The doc who himself is rather an expert on diabetes has no idea what is causing my condition to worsen and according to him the whole process may take from severel weeks to several months.
Any of the docs on here (@Dr JIM, @Docd187123) got any idea what MIGHT help recover faster or what might cause my condition to get worse? I know this is not the best way to get help but I feel like my doc may be missing out on something.
Here is my bloodwork.

Thanks for all the help really appreciate you guys helping out.

 

[Ophydian]

Could there be something in your test causing the hepatitis?

 

[MrFatso]

I don't know tbh. Thats why I asked the docs. PCT would however just make my condition worse I believe as the pct meds are hepatoxic aswell...

 

[Jeffg353]

I don't know tbh. Thats why I asked the docs. PCT would however just make my condition worse I believe as the pct meds are hepatoxic aswell...

I'd stick with the trt level test. U don't want to start introducing new drugs into ur system until u have this all figured out.

 

[Jeffg353]

Cholestasis secondary to anabolic steroid use in young men | The BMJ

Androgenic/Anabolic steroid-induced toxic hepatitis. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[MrFatso]

All the people mentioned used orals. I did not.

 

[Dr JIM]

If U are willing I'd like to have your "AAS" analysed

PM me if interested

 

[Dr JIM]

Cholestasis secondary to anabolic steroid use in young men | The BMJ

Androgenic/Anabolic steroid-induced toxic hepatitis. - PubMed - NCBI

The OPs diagnosis was DRUG rather than AAS INDUCED hepatitis and for good reason the cause is most likely the result of
SOME DRUG.

Because there are hundreds of drugs that are associated with DIA the only way to KNOW is to test what's in THE VIAL!

Oh but some will still conclude "Tren did it" in spite of this FACT.

 

[Dr JIM]

@MrFatso please let me have a legitimate analytical lab test your vial contents so we will all KNOW what drug, AAS or otherwise, is most likely responsible.

The testing will cost you NOTHING!

I would also suggest you post the name of the involved lab bc something is NOT right and IME it's unlikely "Tren" is the culprit!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I would also suggest you post the name of the involved lab bc something is NOT right and IME it's unlikely "tren" is the culprit!

Fatso mentioned on page 3 the lab is Pharmacon. Given their recent string of complaints, it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't contain trenbolone, but if it contains an unlisted 17-AA AAS, that would be unforgivable. Especially if a substitution was intentionally used to trick the user into believing they were taking tren, which seems pretty likely for a lab that claims to test everything they sell.

I used Pharmacomtren ace and I saw several people talking about how it was bunk gear so I wanted to see for myself.

 

[MrFatso]

I really really appreciate all the help on here you people are awesome.

To maybe give you a better picture of the situation here is what I recently ran:
From march 2017: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource)

From beginning of may 2017: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource)+ 700mg Tren Ace pw (Pharmacom)

From middle of June: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource) + 700mg Tren Ace pw (Pharmasource)

From 21st June: added 800mg Bolde cyp pw (Pharmasource)

From beginning of july: 250mg Test E pw (Pharmacom)

My plan was to after another week drop the what I assumed was tren ace and transition to bolde cyp. Approximately two weeks after changing from pharmacom tren to pharmasource tren and about 9 days after introducing the pharmasource bolde cyp I noticed the discoloration of my sclera.

I occasionally also used T3, cabergoline, adex, tamox and clen during that time frame.

Which of the AAS would be the most likely one causing the problems considering the time frames?
Thanks alot guys.

 

[Dr JIM]

Fatso mentioned on page 3 the lab is Pharmacon. Given their recent string of complaints, it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't contain trenbolone, but if it contains an unlisted 17-AA AAS, that would be unforgivable. Especially if a substitution was intentionally used to trick the user into believing they were taking tren, which seems pretty likely for a lab that claims to test everything they sell.

Thanks for that info CBS.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the majority of complaints are registered by noobs.

Sure there are many reasons why
a newbie would have more issues than those with considerable experience, but selective scamming is one that comes to my mind.

 

[Dr JIM]

I really really appreciate all the help on here you people are awesome.

To maybe give you a better picture of the situation here is what I recently ran: From march 2017: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource)

From beginning of may 2017: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource)+ 700mg Tren Ace pw (Pharmacom)

From middle of June: 300mg Test E pw (Pharmasource) + 700mg Tren Ace pw (Pharmasource)

From 21st June: added 800mg Bolde cyp pw (Pharmasource)

From beginning of july: 250mg Test E pw (Pharmacom)

My plan was to after another week drop the what I assumed was tren ace and transition to bolde cyp. Approximately two weeks after changing from pharmacom tren to pharmasource tren and about 9 days after introducing the pharmasource bolde cyp I noticed the discoloration of my sclera.

I occasionally also used T3, cabergoline, adex, tamox and clen during that time frame.

Which of the AAS would be the most likely one causing the problems considering the time frames?
Thanks alot guys.

At this point EVERY drug you were taking are suspect, and the fact you were using several ORALPEDS throws another wrench into the mix.

To that end it would help if U posted ALL the drugs used in the last SIX weeks and their duration of use.

Those compounds used AFTER the onset of jaundice can be excluded and PERHAPS those consumed in the last TWO WEEKS before the onset of jaundice

See if you can get me a COPY of your ADMISSION labs, BX report and your DISCHARGE SUMMARY.

Of course you can and should etch out all your demographic info.

Nonetheless bc poly-substance is TYPICAL of most BB who develop DIH, a specific cause and effect DX often remains elusive, if not impossible.

However what peeves me to no end is folk (and that includes MEDICAL "case reports") formulating a specific DX of AAS induced hepatitis, in the absence of ALL the necessary data.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh and one of the primary reasons I really need your admission labs, DC summary
and especially the BX report --- it provides the involved lab with justification for conducting analytical testing on what are presumed to be controlled substances.

And that's important bc then the testing is perfectly legal!

 

[NFRCR]

It seems it could be the Pharmasource Tren or Bold based on the timeline.

What were the producer labs of the orals?

 

[Dr JIM]

It seems it could be the Pharmasource Tren or Bold based on the timeline.

What were the producer labs of the orals?

It could be many things but there's NO WAY to KNOW unless the OPs "PEDS" are analysed!

One things for sure the risk of hepatic dysfunction, like all other AAS related adverse effects, are real.

And it's the RISK all better learn accept when running UGL products in particular.

 

[Dr JIM]

All that being said bc the RISK is cumulative, it can be reduced by limiting the NUMBER of PEDS being cycled

 

[Dr JIM]

UPDATE:
Alright guys the results of the liver biopsy match the diagnosis of a drug-induced hepatites. Right now I am on 250mg Test E per week and 0,5mg adex e3d. No other medications.
The weird thing is the fact that my liver values especially the bilirubin still get worse.
When I first got into the hospital they were at 14,8. Next day 15,2. The day after 19 and according to the doc today they were even worse. He didn't mention any specific number though. The doc who himself is rather an expert on diabetes has no idea what is causing my condition to worsen and according to him the whole process may take from severel weeks to several months.
Any of the docs on here (@Dr JIM, @Docd187123)

1) got any idea what MIGHT help recover faster

2) what might cause my condition to get worse?

3) I know this is not the best way to get help but I feel like my doc may be missing out on something.
.

1) STOP all your drugs and NEVER use PEDS again, unless prescribed by a physician AFTER being informed you have a HX of DIH, that may have been the result of AAS .

2) Yea start using AAS again

3) based on your labs and your posts alone,your Doc is/was very much on top of things - try being a patient and listen to HIS advice.

 

[MrFatso]

Thank you guys so much for your help.

I will just drop everything and hope to recover soon.
And as I am still in my early 20's I will just stick to the natty life from now on.

 

[Dane17]

I agree with you to stop everything.

You would potentially be doing a lot of people a big favor if you took Dr Jim up on his offer to get it all tested....