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Love is Love!!!
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Anabolic Steroids
Effect of HGH and peptides on people past their prime
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Love is Love!!!
Plant a tree, form a family, raise children, make a new friends... what we leave behind us is what counts
It is never personal, it is always business!
This principal can explain/debunk/destroy 99% of the conspiracy theories out there.
99% of the contraceptive in USA are hormone release based. As any other pill/medical device which works on the principal of substance release, when said substance is exhausted i.e. no longer available for release, a new dose must be taken or the device must be replaced.
The 1% you never hear about, ever, is called copper IUD. Small piece of plastic, whipped in tiny bit of copper. It prevents pregnancy 100% for period up to 12 years. Not sure about US price, but in Europe, it costs $15 (fifteen dollars). This is a little more than a Dollar per year!
What this has to do with Personal vs Business? Everything!
Lets assume for the purpose of this example that 1% (3.2 million) of women in US use contraceptive. Out of pocket cost for monthly supply of the pill is approximately $50. What is important here - not the one time price difference ($15 vs $50), but the price over 12 years period.
Lets do the math:
Copper IUD - one time expense over 12 years ($15)
The pill - $7,200 over 12 years (12*12 = 144 months. 144*50 = $7,200)
3.2 million contraceptive users * $15 (UID) = 48 Million dollars revenue over 12 years.
3.2 million contraceptive users * $7200 (the pill) = 23 Billion 40 Million dollars revenue over 12 years. Twenty three bullion dollars difference!
To those who say: "Yeah, but the pill does not cost $50 (insurance,health and family planning clinics, etc)" - Pharmaceuticals are anything but charity. They get paid one way or another - by end user, by the insurance, by the tax payers, and... by tax write offs when they "donate".
I am not even accounting the potential harmful effect of tinkering with the hormonal balance of people of (almost) any age group.
Imagine a CEO of Pharma stands in front of the shareholders and announces: "Today I proudly present to you our new device which will save our customers $6,985 over 12 years. This same device will cut our corporate revenue with roughly 23 billion dollars over the same period. Aren't you proud of the exceptional job we do here?" I bet you cannot!
Another example - "You are fired"
Not sure when exactly the corporate world adopted CapEx/OpEx model to evaluate value of a company listed on the stock marked.
Capital expenditure, or CapEx, are funds used by a company to acquire or upgrade physical assets such as property, industrial buildings or equipment. It is often used to undertake new projects or investments by the firm.
Operating expenses are the costs associated with a company's main operating activities and which are reported on its income statement. Salaries and benefits are reported under Operating Expenses.
The mantra is - The bigger the ratio CapEx/OpEx, the more efficient the company is, thus have more market value.
Have you even wandered how come when blue chip company announces 10,000 - 30,000 US job cuts, the stock price goes up? Isn't that less work force will lead to less production, thus less product sales, thus less revenue, thus less net profit?
Nope. Not at all. When blue chip outsource it's IT department, they don't fire US workers and hire folks in India. They pay Tata (the biggest India outsourcing company) to hire workers. Now blue chip can write the money paid to Tata in CapEx, the ratio is more attractive and the algorithms raise the stock price.
They did not fire me, you and 9,998 other people because they hate us. Nothing personal. It is only business.
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master.on
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Fortunately we now have the Internet and live in an information society
If something seems to work a few will try it
if it really works there will be suppliers for it (even if black market, or just non FDA approved)
Doctors used to say steroids don't build muscle, Internet proved them wrong
Doctors used to say GH doesn't help aging, it creates cancer, etc
proven wrong again
Growth hormone: Hormone of Stress, Aging, and Death?
Speaking of anti-aging do you read/post in Longecity?
LongeCity Forums
For example
they had an in depth discussion about a carbon C60 study
that almost DOUBLED rats lifespan!
C60health
Even the "placebo" Olive Oil extended lifespan by about 15%
Scientists had trouble replicating the original finds
but maybe because they injected C60/oo instead of force feeding it
like you can eat a lot Olive Oil but get ill from injecting it
Who knows?
anyhow plenty of interesting anti-aging topics in Longecity
If you're interested in the biological inner workings of antiaging check out
AGINGSCIENCES™ – Anti-Aging Firewalls™ | A weblog on the sciences and practices of living healthily very long – perhaps hundreds of years.
If something seems to work a few will try it
if it really works there will be suppliers for it (even if black market, or just non FDA approved)
Doctors used to say steroids don't build muscle, Internet proved them wrong
Doctors used to say GH doesn't help aging, it creates cancer, etc
proven wrong again
Growth hormone: Hormone of Stress, Aging, and Death?
Speaking of anti-aging do you read/post in Longecity?
LongeCity Forums
For example
they had an in depth discussion about a carbon C60 study
that almost DOUBLED rats lifespan!
C60health
Even the "placebo" Olive Oil extended lifespan by about 15%
Scientists had trouble replicating the original finds
but maybe because they injected C60/oo instead of force feeding it
like you can eat a lot Olive Oil but get ill from injecting it
Who knows?
anyhow plenty of interesting anti-aging topics in Longecity
If you're interested in the biological inner workings of antiaging check out
AGINGSCIENCES™ – Anti-Aging Firewalls™ | A weblog on the sciences and practices of living healthily very long – perhaps hundreds of years.
@master.on
You and I are risking been accused in "pursuit of immortality", which, while built in to the human subconscious mind, is impossible.
I view The Quest from different prospective. If, by changing my diet and nutrition, and balancing essential hormones I can live the remaining of my life with quality, love and happiness, that alone justify the change I've made. If it adds few more years - will be just added bonus.
I know, I know. Talking about balance on bodybuilding forum is like yelling "Make America great again" at Elizabeth Warren rally, but... I am here to share my views and experience.
You and I are risking been accused in "pursuit of immortality", which, while built in to the human subconscious mind, is impossible.
I view The Quest from different prospective. If, by changing my diet and nutrition, and balancing essential hormones I can live the remaining of my life with quality, love and happiness, that alone justify the change I've made. If it adds few more years - will be just added bonus.
I know, I know. Talking about balance on bodybuilding forum is like yelling "Make America great again" at Elizabeth Warren rally
, but... I am here to share my views and experience.
master.on
New Member
FOXO4 protein is the only known substance that really holds promise to slow aging so far
It works by sending signals for senescent cells to kill themselves (apoptosis)
Crude and rude analogy but at a cellular level it's kind of a room full of teenagers telling elderly people to kill themselves so they don't get bothered with all their senior BS.
You can find an abstract of the study here:
http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30246-5
A commentary here
A FOXO4-DRI Breakdown - Senescent Cell Apoptosis - Jack's Brain
FOXO4 - Wikipedia
It would be nice to purchase the full version
http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30246-5
Who knows how much is needed and safe
but FOXO4 is sold by true research chemical companies
Human FOXO4 Protein | OriGene TP760655 product information
FOXO4 Synthetic Peptide | Invitrogen PEP-1088 product information
FOXO4 recombinant protein | Forkhead box protein O4 (FOXO4) Recombinant Protein
FOXO4 Synthetic Peptide, Invitrogen 50µg; Unlabeled:Life Sciences
It works by sending signals for senescent cells to kill themselves (apoptosis)
Crude and rude analogy but at a cellular level it's kind of a room full of teenagers telling elderly people to kill themselves so they don't get bothered with all their senior BS.
You can find an abstract of the study here:
http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30246-5
A commentary here
A FOXO4-DRI Breakdown - Senescent Cell Apoptosis - Jack's Brain
FOXO4 - Wikipedia
It would be nice to purchase the full version
http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(17)30246-5
Who knows how much is needed and safe
but FOXO4 is sold by true research chemical companies
Human FOXO4 Protein | OriGene TP760655 product information
FOXO4 Synthetic Peptide | Invitrogen PEP-1088 product information
FOXO4 recombinant protein | Forkhead box protein O4 (FOXO4) Recombinant Protein
FOXO4 Synthetic Peptide, Invitrogen 50µg; Unlabeled:Life Sciences
Healthy Diet and Nutrition Intake – Part II
High Fructose Corn Syrup
But… before that, a surprise: What is the substance you see on the image below? Hint: Net Weight = 39gr. The coin is a US quarter.
Let’s talk about HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) in the American diet.
According Mark Hyman, MD (with whom I agree 100%)
“The average American increased their consumption of HFCS (mostly from sugar sweetened drinks and processed food) from zero to over 60 pounds per person per year.”
Sugar in any form causes obesity and disease when consumed in pharmacologic doses. Cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup are indeed both harmful when consumed in pharmacologic doses of 140 pounds per person per year. When one 20 ounce HFCS sweetened soda, sports drink, or tea has 17 teaspoons of sugar (and the average teenager often consumes two drinks a day) we are conducting a largely uncontrolled experiment on the human species. Our hunter gatherer ancestors consumed the equivalent of 20 teaspoons per year, not per day. In this sense, I would agree with the corn industry that sugar is sugar. Quantity matters. But there are some important differences.
HFCS and cane sugar are NOT biochemically identical or processed the same way by the body. High fructose corn syrup is an industrial food product and far from “natural” or a naturally occurring substance.
The sugars are extracted through a chemical enzymatic process resulting in a chemically and biologically novel compound called HFCS. Some basic biochemistry will help you understand this. Regular cane sugar (sucrose) is made of two-sugar molecules bound tightly together– glucose and fructose in equal amounts. The enzymes in your digestive tract must break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose, which are then absorbed into the body. HFCS also consists of glucose and fructose, not in a 50-50 ratio, but a 55-45 fructose to glucose ratio in an unbound form.
Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream. Fructose goes right to the liver and triggers lipogenesis (the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol) this is why it is the major cause of liver damage in this country and causes a condition called “fatty liver” which affects 70 million people. The rapidly absorbed glucose triggers big spikes in insulin – our body’s major fat storage hormone. Both these features of HFCS lead to increased metabolic disturbances that drive increases in appetite, weight gain, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, and more.
High doses of free fructose have been proven to literally punch holes in the intestinal lining allowing nasty byproducts of toxic gut bacteria and partially digested food proteins to enter your blood stream and trigger the inflammation that we know is at the root of obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, dementia, and accelerated aging. Naturally occurring fructose in fruit is part of a complex of nutrients and fiber that doesn’t exhibit the same biological effects as the free high fructose doses found in “corn sugar”.
HFCS is almost always a marker of poor-quality, nutrient-poor disease-creating industrial food products or “food-like substances”. The last reason to avoid products that contain HFCS is that they are a marker for poor-quality, nutritionally-depleted, processed industrial food full of empty calories and artificial ingredients. If you find “high fructose corn syrup” on the label you can be sure it is not a whole, real, fresh food full of fiber, vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, and antioxidants. Stay away if you want to stay healthy. We still must reduce our overall consumption of sugar, but with this one simple dietary change you can radically reduce your health risks and improve your health. While debate may rage about the biochemistry and physiology of cane sugar versus corn sugar, this is in fact beside the point (despite the finer points of my scientific analysis above). The conversation has been diverted to a simple assertion that cane sugar and corn sugar are not different.”
Now, I am not picking on Coca-Cola in particular. Just happened to have images handy, that’s all.
Let’s go back for a moment to the first picture. Most of you have guessed by now – this is how much sugar (cane sugar in this case) is in each 12oz can of Coca-Cola. I put quarter next to it to get the prospective. Funny how in a hot day we can consume a can in less than 30 seconds, burb and move on, but if I ask you to consume the amount of sugar shown on the picture with a spoon, y’all will be like “WTF, man?!?”
Let’s look some labels
Ok, which one it is? 39gr Sugar (cane sugar perhaps)? Or 39gr cane sugar and HFCS? Or 39gr HFCS (listed as “sugar”)
Of course, had you had the habit to read labels, you would eventually find one like this:
During Passover, people who follow the Ashkenazi Jewish tradition are forbidden from consuming products containing certain grains, including corn. Therefore, the Chicago Coca-Cola Bottling Company produces a limited amount of Coca-Cola Classic sweetened with sugar, which is sold in grocery stores in areas with larger Jewish population. You can identify Kosher Coca-Cola here in the Chicago area by looking for the seal of the Chicago Rabbinical Council on the can:
So, there is Coke made with sugar after all, just... had the cost of cane sugar was lower than HFCS, the latter would not have been used... ever. Nothing personal, just business...
Bottom line, RTFL (Read The Fucking Label)
#2: “Thou shall not consume High Fructose Corn Syrup in any form, in food or in beverage!”
High Fructose Corn Syrup
But… before that, a surprise: What is the substance you see on the image below? Hint: Net Weight = 39gr. The coin is a US quarter.
Let’s talk about HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) in the American diet.
According Mark Hyman, MD (with whom I agree 100%)
“The average American increased their consumption of HFCS (mostly from sugar sweetened drinks and processed food) from zero to over 60 pounds per person per year.”
Sugar in any form causes obesity and disease when consumed in pharmacologic doses. Cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup are indeed both harmful when consumed in pharmacologic doses of 140 pounds per person per year. When one 20 ounce HFCS sweetened soda, sports drink, or tea has 17 teaspoons of sugar (and the average teenager often consumes two drinks a day) we are conducting a largely uncontrolled experiment on the human species. Our hunter gatherer ancestors consumed the equivalent of 20 teaspoons per year, not per day. In this sense, I would agree with the corn industry that sugar is sugar. Quantity matters. But there are some important differences.
HFCS and cane sugar are NOT biochemically identical or processed the same way by the body. High fructose corn syrup is an industrial food product and far from “natural” or a naturally occurring substance.
The sugars are extracted through a chemical enzymatic process resulting in a chemically and biologically novel compound called HFCS. Some basic biochemistry will help you understand this. Regular cane sugar (sucrose) is made of two-sugar molecules bound tightly together– glucose and fructose in equal amounts. The enzymes in your digestive tract must break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose, which are then absorbed into the body. HFCS also consists of glucose and fructose, not in a 50-50 ratio, but a 55-45 fructose to glucose ratio in an unbound form.
Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream. Fructose goes right to the liver and triggers lipogenesis (the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol) this is why it is the major cause of liver damage in this country and causes a condition called “fatty liver” which affects 70 million people. The rapidly absorbed glucose triggers big spikes in insulin – our body’s major fat storage hormone. Both these features of HFCS lead to increased metabolic disturbances that drive increases in appetite, weight gain, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, and more.
High doses of free fructose have been proven to literally punch holes in the intestinal lining allowing nasty byproducts of toxic gut bacteria and partially digested food proteins to enter your blood stream and trigger the inflammation that we know is at the root of obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, dementia, and accelerated aging. Naturally occurring fructose in fruit is part of a complex of nutrients and fiber that doesn’t exhibit the same biological effects as the free high fructose doses found in “corn sugar”.
HFCS is almost always a marker of poor-quality, nutrient-poor disease-creating industrial food products or “food-like substances”. The last reason to avoid products that contain HFCS is that they are a marker for poor-quality, nutritionally-depleted, processed industrial food full of empty calories and artificial ingredients. If you find “high fructose corn syrup” on the label you can be sure it is not a whole, real, fresh food full of fiber, vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, and antioxidants. Stay away if you want to stay healthy. We still must reduce our overall consumption of sugar, but with this one simple dietary change you can radically reduce your health risks and improve your health. While debate may rage about the biochemistry and physiology of cane sugar versus corn sugar, this is in fact beside the point (despite the finer points of my scientific analysis above). The conversation has been diverted to a simple assertion that cane sugar and corn sugar are not different.”
Now, I am not picking on Coca-Cola in particular. Just happened to have images handy, that’s all.
Let’s go back for a moment to the first picture. Most of you have guessed by now – this is how much sugar (cane sugar in this case) is in each 12oz can of Coca-Cola. I put quarter next to it to get the prospective. Funny how in a hot day we can consume a can in less than 30 seconds, burb and move on, but if I ask you to consume the amount of sugar shown on the picture with a spoon, y’all will be like “WTF, man?!?”
Let’s look some labels
Ok, which one it is? 39gr Sugar (cane sugar perhaps)? Or 39gr cane sugar and HFCS? Or 39gr HFCS (listed as “sugar”)
Of course, had you had the habit to read labels, you would eventually find one like this:
During Passover, people who follow the Ashkenazi Jewish tradition are forbidden from consuming products containing certain grains, including corn. Therefore, the Chicago Coca-Cola Bottling Company produces a limited amount of Coca-Cola Classic sweetened with sugar, which is sold in grocery stores in areas with larger Jewish population. You can identify Kosher Coca-Cola here in the Chicago area by looking for the seal of the Chicago Rabbinical Council on the can:
So, there is Coke made with sugar after all, just... had the cost of cane sugar was lower than HFCS, the latter would not have been used... ever. Nothing personal, just business...
Bottom line, RTFL (Read The Fucking Label)
#2: “Thou shall not consume High Fructose Corn Syrup in any form, in food or in beverage!”
Aging have as much physiological expression as psychological...
Let's go back in time for a second. Remember how in the middle of eight grade we're were thinking "Enough with the baby stuff. Can't wait to get to in to high school. I might even get lucky there..." But isn't this a desire to get older?
In 11 grade: "Can't wait this shit to be over. I want to graduate so people will stop telling me to do shit I don't want to." Again, subconscious desire to get older.
How about after HS graduation: "Cant wait to be 21, legally get shitfaced and no one can tell me anything about it". See the pattern?
Enter golden period of one's life. We ride the high tide, consume life to it's fullest, feeling immortal is part of the high. Have you ever hear man in his prime to ever say "Man, I can hardly wait to become 40 so I have enlarged prostate, low testosterone, ED, PE, become overweight and get diabetics". It is native for human psyche to dismiss such (highly) probably outcomes and by doing so, bad choices are made every day...
And then, one day, we realize "I am not the man I used to be". What a shocker, eh?
There is "being old" and "feeling old", and then there is... both.
We see that 21 year old girl in the night club, grab two drinks from the bar and make our "signature" move. Shit, it worked so many times before, right? We still look better that most of the young man around - broad shoulder, muscles making popping sounds under the shirt, we express the same high level of confidence as last time (last evening that is) and yet something happened this time. She does not seem to be impressed. What?!? She dismissed us for some anorexic gender-less being that just got his 21y old drivers license with "M" listed as gender. What a stupid bitch!
Hmm, must have been a glitch in the Matrix. Then, it happens again... And for first time on our life we go to the bar, get another drink and... go back to our table while thinking "If only I was ten years younger"... This is what "feeling old" is.
When comes to physiology changes, we enter the tangible world - where we can touch (the wrinkles, belly fat, sagging ass, bald head etc.), but also measure the changes (blood work). I am not saying poor choices we've made throughout the years are the sole reason for us getting older. However, the physiological changes have direct effect on our psychological state of mind. And the state of mind is what have us dig our self deeper in the hole. Slowly but surely we give up to the notion "I am getting old and there is nothing I can do about it". But should we?
When we made the concuss decision to change our nutrition intake and balance hormones, I personally never had any hope to "show six pack at age 55". Not at all! Although... everyone have a six pack (Rectus Abdominis). Without it, we cannot get up from bed, can't bent to tie our shoes, cannot take a shit, for God sake! What "hides" the six pack is layers of subconscious fat (belly fat).
Ever thought why women like "six packs"? You think because is looks good? Because its esthetic? Bullshit!. Women subconsciously process the "six pack" as sign of good health, lower fat means faster reflexes, less likely to be killed by the animal, thus more likely to kill the animal and put food on the table, and to do so for long period of time.
Same as why we like big boobs. Big boobs equals longer nursing of the offspring, thus higher rate of survival of the fetus. Motorboating is an added benefit, not primary objective.
So, let's see what happened with me (it is personal subjective opinion). Less than a year ago, I was overweight,, had beer belly, lower to none energy level, non-existing libido, easily getting angry for no apparent reason, literally anti-social - did not wanted people to give me that sorry look "he is really getting older, that dude".
Today I want to be out, I want to socialize, I like how impress the people are. I can hardly wait for the summer, when we will got to South Beach where my wife will wear Brazilian swim suit and I - a Speedo (I shit you not). Will we be 50 and 55 years old - yes. Just... a damn good looking 50 and 55 years old.
Ironically (or not), that reverse in philology is what makes us even more eager to read labels in the grocery store, exercise with vengeance and ultimately consume the life to it's fullest.
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master.on
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Nice posts
Not trying to whitewash HFCS but IMO there's something else that makes many people unable to handle sugars, no matter if HFCS, Fructose, sucrose
Ray Peat says the main culprits are Poly Unsaturated Fats and Estrogenic compounds
Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic
Unsaturated fatty acids: Nutritionally essential, or toxic?
He even claims that "Essential Fatty Acids" "Omega 3" is plain BS and you'd do better without any of them.
Fats and degeneration
As far as girls
I personally attract more girls than when say 20 y.o.
but you have to be careful when dating girls who like relatively older men
they can be golddiggers.
Not trying to whitewash HFCS but IMO there's something else that makes many people unable to handle sugars, no matter if HFCS, Fructose, sucrose
Ray Peat says the main culprits are Poly Unsaturated Fats and Estrogenic compounds
Unsaturated Vegetable Oils: Toxic
Unsaturated fatty acids: Nutritionally essential, or toxic?
He even claims that "Essential Fatty Acids" "Omega 3" is plain BS and you'd do better without any of them.
Fats and degeneration
As far as girls
I personally attract more girls than when say 20 y.o.
but you have to be careful when dating girls who like relatively older men
they can be golddiggers.
I am glad you brought both subjects.
Of course, on every subject matter we find many competing theories. It is up to us to make logical conclusions and conscious choices. What bothers me sometimes (I am no exception... or I was not up until recently), is that choices we make are subscribed to present state of mind. With other words, not (always) in our (or others) best interest.
Remember when I said some will be turned off and some will end with takeaways when I am done with all this? My intention was, and always be, to provoke critical thinking and healthy discussion.
I still plan to talk about GMO, pesticides, plastics, food preservatives, fluoride etc. Oh, and HGH, HCG, peptides and growth factors. I am far away from done
As far as the "girls" thingy... Perhaps i am not the best to give opinion on the subject - after all I've got married when 23 (she was 17) and we are still together 31.5 years later. For the record, my first daughter was born exactly 10 months after the wedding, so no, it was not a "shotgun" wedding But, you must acknowledge - it was good example.
But then again, no one can claim the ultimate end state of nirvana - understanding how woman's mind works...
Of course, on every subject matter we find many competing theories. It is up to us to make logical conclusions and conscious choices. What bothers me sometimes (I am no exception... or I was not up until recently), is that choices we make are subscribed to present state of mind. With other words, not (always) in our (or others) best interest.
Remember when I said some will be turned off and some will end with takeaways when I am done with all this? My intention was, and always be, to provoke critical thinking and healthy discussion.
I still plan to talk about GMO, pesticides, plastics, food preservatives, fluoride etc. Oh, and HGH, HCG, peptides and growth factors. I am far away from done
As far as the "girls" thingy... Perhaps i am not the best to give opinion on the subject - after all I've got married when 23 (she was 17) and we are still together 31.5 years later. For the record, my first daughter was born exactly 10 months after the wedding, so no, it was not a "shotgun" wedding
But, you must acknowledge - it was good example.But then again, no one can claim the ultimate end state of nirvana - understanding how woman's mind works...
master.on
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LOL @ shotgun weddingI am glad you brought both subjects.
Of course, on every subject matter we find many competing theories. It is up to us to make logical conclusions and conscious choices. What bothers me sometimes (I am no exception... or I was not up until recently), is that choices we make are subscribed to present state of mind. With other words, not (always) in our (or others) best interest.
Remember when I said some will be turned off and some will end with takeaways when I am done with all this? My intention was, and always be, to provoke critical thinking and healthy discussion.
I still plan to talk about GMO, pesticides, plastics, food preservatives, fluoride etc. Oh, and HGH, HCG, peptides and growth factors. I am far away from done
As far as the "girls" thingy... Perhaps i am not the best to give opinion on the subject - after all I've got married when 23 (she was 17) and we are still together 31.5 years later. For the record, my first daughter was born exactly 10 months after the wedding, so no, it was not a "shotgun" wedding
But then again, no one can claim the ultimate end state of nirvana - understanding how woman's mind works...
and congrats on 31.5 years
What protocol are you using now? HCG, TRT, GH?
Our life story just proves there is "Love of first sight" - we dated exactly... two weeks before she moved with me. But, this is another story...
My plan was to finish the diet and nutrition section before go to hormones and regimen. I am still struggling with the explanation of "what did what". In some case(s) I will make logical conclusions (not necessarily correct), in another - an assumptions (and we all know "Assumption is the mother of all fuckups". After all, God works mysterious ways, right?
Anyway, let see...
Every major change in our life have a trigger. No one wakes up in the morning and decides to become a serial killer, or change carrier, or become a bodybuilder, or... you name it. My trigger was a business trip. How so, you might ask? Wife was in Europe, I had to visit a customer, packed my business attire, went to the customer location and in the morning dressed up (or rather tried to) only to find my pants size 38 no longer fit. Called, apologized for the delay, went to the store, jumped in to 38 relaxed fit and went to do my business. That's it, I said, I am sick of this shit and will not take it anymore!
Bottom line, my primary objective was to lose weight. However, at this stage I was already ready for TRT - had the test results and more importantly, the scientific background and community experience. As I said before, the HGH use was not primary objective in terms of "part of the regimen" and I did it just because I could afford it. Perhaps my hope was to do 1-2-3 punch... Did "3" really contributed, I am not sure yet.
Primary objective - Losing Weight
Losing weight is a daunting task itself. In my opinion, the issue with any diet is not the diet it self, but what happens after. in 99% of the cases, the person goes back to pre-weight loss diet eating habits and nutrition intake. i.e. as usual, the symptoms are treated and not the root cause!
This is the first and most obvious difference when comes to our approach.
Detox
Detoxification is very important aspect. There any many different types and approached, and as above, the issue is that again it treats symptoms (the toxins levels are high, lets reduce them) vs root cause (do not allow toxins to enter the body to begin with).
Let's summarize:
1. Eliminated (or at least reduced to absolute minimum) any unnatural substance and chemicals by purchasing groceries only after examining the ingredient label.
Think of it, when you make yourself a cup of tea, you don't put a pinch of Aspertame, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Potasium Sorbate, Acesulfame Potassium and then take a sip and say "That's the way aha i like it"!. In worst case scenario, you put a pinch of sugar, right?
And for fuck sake, can someone please, please explain what Phenylalanine is doing here?!? From Wikipedia:
Phenylalanine is found naturally in the breast milk of mammals. It is used in the manufacture of food and drink products and sold as a nutritional supplement for its reputed analgesic and ANTIDEPRESANT effects. It is a direct precursor to the neuromodulator phenethylamine, a commonly used dietary supplement.
Antidepresant, really???
2. No more meat from store. Not really an easy one, but doable. We buy meat only from local butcher shop. We order between Thursday and Saturday, lifestock is slathered Monday and Tuesday, we pick our order on Wednesday. Never frozen, never treated with preservatives, never packaged in commercial packaging and ran around the country in God knows what conditions. If you are not sure what I am talking about: watch this and this.
3. 100% eliminated High Fructose Corn Syrup. Shit, we eliminated any chance of GMO corn and soy (as you might know, 98% of the corn and 100% of the soy grown in USA is GMO) entering our digestive system. My issue with GMO is two fold:
a. Splicing and dicing genes w/o knowing long term genetic effect on human genetics if flat out fucked. While I tend to give "Not personal, just business" some layaway, This one I take very much personally.
b. To make it worst, the primary objective of GMO is so pesticides that typically would kill both crops and weeds will not affect the crops. So now the farmers can spray generously with Glyphosate (aka Goundup) which of course gets in to the plant and then in to the body of the consumer. That same Glyphosate that is "Known to cause cancer in the state of California", but if you step on to Nevada, it is completely harmless...
4. Eliminated any possibility of chemical leak by no longer use plastic containers whatsoever! I have pack of 24 500ml bottles and home carbonation system. It takes me less time to poor purified (Zero Water) water in the glass bottles and carbonate it, than change, drive to the grocery store, buy not only ungodly expensive bottled in plastic tap water, buy shit that I don't actually need right now as well, drive back etc. Besides better, cleaner, safer water, I saved $$$ and reduced my carbon footprint by not making this car trip, if you give two shits about the global warming bullshit...
5. Consume only Certified Organic fruit and veggies.
That's that. If you think this is insane, so be it. We view it as perpetual detoxification state. Hell, I should not even call it "detoxification" because it implies removal of something that is not there to begin with.
To be continued...
- we dated exactly... two weeks before she moved with me. But, this is another story...My plan was to finish the diet and nutrition section before go to hormones and regimen. I am still struggling with the explanation of "what did what". In some case(s) I will make logical conclusions (not necessarily correct), in another - an assumptions (and we all know "Assumption is the mother of all fuckups". After all, God works mysterious ways, right?
Anyway, let see...
Every major change in our life have a trigger. No one wakes up in the morning and decides to become a serial killer, or change carrier, or become a bodybuilder
, or... you name it. My trigger was a business trip. How so, you might ask? Wife was in Europe, I had to visit a customer, packed my business attire, went to the customer location and in the morning dressed up (or rather tried to) only to find my pants size 38 no longer fit. Called, apologized for the delay, went to the store, jumped in to 38 relaxed fit and went to do my business. That's it, I said, I am sick of this shit and will not take it anymore!Bottom line, my primary objective was to lose weight. However, at this stage I was already ready for TRT - had the test results and more importantly, the scientific background and community experience. As I said before, the HGH use was not primary objective in terms of "part of the regimen" and I did it just because I could afford it. Perhaps my hope was to do 1-2-3 punch... Did "3" really contributed, I am not sure yet.
Primary objective - Losing Weight
Losing weight is a daunting task itself. In my opinion, the issue with any diet is not the diet it self, but what happens after. in 99% of the cases, the person goes back to pre-weight loss diet eating habits and nutrition intake. i.e. as usual, the symptoms are treated and not the root cause!
This is the first and most obvious difference when comes to our approach.
Detox
Detoxification is very important aspect. There any many different types and approached, and as above, the issue is that again it treats symptoms (the toxins levels are high, lets reduce them) vs root cause (do not allow toxins to enter the body to begin with).
Let's summarize:
1. Eliminated (or at least reduced to absolute minimum) any unnatural substance and chemicals by purchasing groceries only after examining the ingredient label.
Think of it, when you make yourself a cup of tea, you don't put a pinch of Aspertame, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Potasium Sorbate, Acesulfame Potassium and then take a sip and say "That's the way aha i like it"!. In worst case scenario, you put a pinch of sugar, right?
And for fuck sake, can someone please, please explain what Phenylalanine is doing here?!? From Wikipedia:
Phenylalanine is found naturally in the breast milk of mammals. It is used in the manufacture of food and drink products and sold as a nutritional supplement for its reputed analgesic and ANTIDEPRESANT effects. It is a direct precursor to the neuromodulator phenethylamine, a commonly used dietary supplement.
Antidepresant, really???
2. No more meat from store. Not really an easy one, but doable. We buy meat only from local butcher shop. We order between Thursday and Saturday, lifestock is slathered Monday and Tuesday, we pick our order on Wednesday. Never frozen, never treated with preservatives, never packaged in commercial packaging and ran around the country in God knows what conditions. If you are not sure what I am talking about: watch this and this.
3. 100% eliminated High Fructose Corn Syrup. Shit, we eliminated any chance of GMO corn and soy (as you might know, 98% of the corn and 100% of the soy grown in USA is GMO) entering our digestive system. My issue with GMO is two fold:
a. Splicing and dicing genes w/o knowing long term genetic effect on human genetics if flat out fucked. While I tend to give "Not personal, just business" some layaway, This one I take very much personally.
b. To make it worst, the primary objective of GMO is so pesticides that typically would kill both crops and weeds will not affect the crops. So now the farmers can spray generously with Glyphosate (aka Goundup) which of course gets in to the plant and then in to the body of the consumer. That same Glyphosate that is "Known to cause cancer in the state of California", but if you step on to Nevada, it is completely harmless...
4. Eliminated any possibility of chemical leak by no longer use plastic containers whatsoever! I have pack of 24 500ml bottles and home carbonation system. It takes me less time to poor purified (Zero Water) water in the glass bottles and carbonate it, than change, drive to the grocery store, buy not only ungodly expensive bottled in plastic tap water, buy shit that I don't actually need right now as well, drive back etc. Besides better, cleaner, safer water, I saved $$$ and reduced my carbon footprint by not making this car trip, if you give two shits about the global warming bullshit...
5. Consume only Certified Organic fruit and veggies.
That's that. If you think this is insane, so be it. We view it as perpetual detoxification state. Hell, I should not even call it "detoxification" because it implies removal of something that is not there to begin with.
To be continued...
...enter HCG
As I said already, I've got interested in HCG for two reasons - keep my sack from shrinking, but also this "unknown" fat burning properties. Here is a primer on HCG diet:
500 calories per day for 21-41 days
High protein, low fat, low carbs. Example - 10am - one apple, 12:30pm - 3.5oz chicken, one tomato, 3pm - half orange, 7pm - 3.5oz lean beef, 3oz cucumber
125-150UI HCG early am
Now, I am yet to see a picture of someone just released from Nazy dead camp with six pack. This is, because in starvation mode, the body nondiscriminatory consumes all available resources - fat, muscle, tissue... all of it in the same time. In the same time, millions of people on the planet have successfully completed HCG diet and does not look like skeletons.
The change in our diet confided with my going on TRT. I had the HCG vials already lined up as part of TRT. So, we said, how about we conduct a test and see what happens?
TRT usually calls for 250-300 IU twice-weekly injections to keep the sack dropped. This is - 500-600 IU per week. HCG dies calls for 125IU every day, so, let see - 875IU per week. 30% more than TRT recommended dose, but... I can stop it at any time, eight?
HCG allegedly suppresses hunger (It does, trust me). At least for the first 41 days, then it is said to lose effectiveness for dieting purposes.
Our decision was - we go 125IU per day, on day 41 my wife will stop HCG, while I will continue with 250IU twice weekly. We will stick to high protein, low fat, low carb, no starch rule, but not count calories i.e. eat until satisfied. If it happens to be 500 cals per day, so be it, if it is 1500, so be it. In reality, it was around 1300 for me and 1000 for the wife, but the rule was no counting!
Of course, I did starter Test C administration at the same time. As I said, burst of energy, had to exercise... a lot just to be able to fail asleep.
a picture is worth more than a thousand words, right?
Note my wife's rapid fat loss with no lean mass loss whatsoever! Red indicates Start HCG, black - stop.
...and yours truly (since the beginning - 125IU HCG every day, never stopped)
Note that my gym visits are reduced to one per week since mid January (working with South American customer and the time difference does not allow me to go to gym). The lean mass is "kind of" declining, something I have to address ASAP.
What is confusing for me at this point - we started HGH (2IU/day/split) exactly the same time with HCG and me - Test C. Since both graph are similar, Test C should not be taken under account (wife don't do it). We have HCG and HGH left on the table.
We also know, HGH fat burning properties are not observed immediately, nor within the first week, not even after a month, right? But, the most rapid fat loss occurred within the first 40 days and so, take away HGH. What left - HCG! This is the logical conclusion I was talking about that might or might not be true from scientific point of view.
Wife is no longer on HCG (but on HGH 3IU/day/split). While she is not losing fat anymore (but not gaining either) she maintains healthy ~130Lb (from near 170). What accounts for that - the new diet and nutrition intake, HGH or both - who knows. As I said before - pre-menopausal symptoms (hot flashes, mood swings, irregular period) are no more. Again, is it diet or HGH or both, I don't know.
My situation is similar - currently on 12%BF, not losing anymore (nor I want to), not gaining either. ED, PE, low libido, anti-social behavior - gone.
I really cannot explain what has happened. What worked, what did not, and why. If it was me only - eh, one off, a glitch in the matrix. Two people, opposite sex, small age difference, in the stage of life when wide fluctuations are expected and yet so similar results... I really don't know, people. Help me interpret, help me understand.
The truth is out there.
As I said already, I've got interested in HCG for two reasons - keep my sack from shrinking, but also this "unknown" fat burning properties. Here is a primer on HCG diet:
500 calories per day for 21-41 days
High protein, low fat, low carbs. Example - 10am - one apple, 12:30pm - 3.5oz chicken, one tomato, 3pm - half orange, 7pm - 3.5oz lean beef, 3oz cucumber
125-150UI HCG early am
Now, I am yet to see a picture of someone just released from Nazy dead camp with six pack. This is, because in starvation mode, the body nondiscriminatory consumes all available resources - fat, muscle, tissue... all of it in the same time. In the same time, millions of people on the planet have successfully completed HCG diet and does not look like skeletons.
The change in our diet confided with my going on TRT. I had the HCG vials already lined up as part of TRT. So, we said, how about we conduct a test and see what happens?
TRT usually calls for 250-300 IU twice-weekly injections to keep the sack dropped. This is - 500-600 IU per week. HCG dies calls for 125IU every day, so, let see - 875IU per week. 30% more than TRT recommended dose, but... I can stop it at any time, eight?
HCG allegedly suppresses hunger (It does, trust me). At least for the first 41 days, then it is said to lose effectiveness for dieting purposes.
Our decision was - we go 125IU per day, on day 41 my wife will stop HCG, while I will continue with 250IU twice weekly. We will stick to high protein, low fat, low carb, no starch rule, but not count calories i.e. eat until satisfied. If it happens to be 500 cals per day, so be it, if it is 1500, so be it. In reality, it was around 1300 for me and 1000 for the wife, but the rule was no counting!
Of course, I did starter Test C administration at the same time. As I said, burst of energy, had to exercise... a lot just to be able to fail asleep.
a picture is worth more than a thousand words, right?
Note my wife's rapid fat loss with no lean mass loss whatsoever! Red indicates Start HCG, black - stop.
...and yours truly (since the beginning - 125IU HCG every day, never stopped)
Note that my gym visits are reduced to one per week since mid January (working with South American customer and the time difference does not allow me to go to gym). The lean mass is "kind of" declining, something I have to address ASAP.
What is confusing for me at this point - we started HGH (2IU/day/split) exactly the same time with HCG and me - Test C. Since both graph are similar, Test C should not be taken under account (wife don't do it). We have HCG and HGH left on the table.
We also know, HGH fat burning properties are not observed immediately, nor within the first week, not even after a month, right? But, the most rapid fat loss occurred within the first 40 days and so, take away HGH. What left - HCG! This is the logical conclusion I was talking about that might or might not be true from scientific point of view.
Wife is no longer on HCG (but on HGH 3IU/day/split). While she is not losing fat anymore (but not gaining either) she maintains healthy ~130Lb (from near 170). What accounts for that - the new diet and nutrition intake, HGH or both - who knows. As I said before - pre-menopausal symptoms (hot flashes, mood swings, irregular period) are no more. Again, is it diet or HGH or both, I don't know.
My situation is similar - currently on 12%BF, not losing anymore (nor I want to), not gaining either. ED, PE, low libido, anti-social behavior - gone.
I really cannot explain what has happened. What worked, what did not, and why. If it was me only - eh, one off, a glitch in the matrix. Two people, opposite sex, small age difference, in the stage of life when wide fluctuations are expected and yet so similar results... I really don't know, people. Help me interpret, help me understand.
The truth is out there.
Funny you mentioned this
I am bald. On Norwood scale, I am 7 (went there 10 years ago). For those who are not familiar with Norwood - NW7 is where baldness sale ends...
...and Glossmetter scale begins.
A glossmeter (also gloss meter) is an instrument which is used to measure specular reflection gloss of a surface. Gloss is determined by projecting a beam of light at a fixed intensity and angle onto a surface and measuring the amount of reflected light at an equal but opposite angle.
As every balding man I went through the seven stages of grief, finally accepted the fact and embraced my freshly shaved head. I did not, however, viewed it as sign of aging, but rather a bad joke my mother's father pull on me. Genetics, in it's worst.
This is topic I will touch base on around September this year. Sept 30 is when I will evaluate if worth continuing my quest to regrow hair on completely bald scalp. Thus far I have very encouraging results
I can send you a picture in PM (almost 4 four months progress) but don't want to go public at this stage.
master.on
New Member
Don't go public ever (certainly not in a steroid forum) Best advice you can ever get.
You can either use
1 several mL or Rogaine (or generics) a day or
2 use ORAL Minoxidil.
3 you can get a DIFFUSE hair transplant
While the second one is GUARANTEED to regrow hair, you'll get systemic absorption side effects.
With the first one you get SOME side effects, but more Minixidil acting in the scalp (for the same side effects intensity)
With the 3rd one you get a few Follicle Units sparsely transplanted here and there, mimicking a naturally diffuse thinning hair.
The advantage is that relatively few Follicles are needed, since you may only have few left on the sides and back of your hair.
Since surgeons usually charge by FUE, having just a few transplanted means a relatively affordable price.
I've heard that properly done (no scars) diffuse transplant looks good even on shaved heads as it adds a greyish tone to your scalp.
You can either use
1 several mL or Rogaine (or generics) a day or
2 use ORAL Minoxidil.
3 you can get a DIFFUSE hair transplant
While the second one is GUARANTEED to regrow hair, you'll get systemic absorption side effects.
With the first one you get SOME side effects, but more Minixidil acting in the scalp (for the same side effects intensity)
With the 3rd one you get a few Follicle Units sparsely transplanted here and there, mimicking a naturally diffuse thinning hair.
The advantage is that relatively few Follicles are needed, since you may only have few left on the sides and back of your hair.
Since surgeons usually charge by FUE, having just a few transplanted means a relatively affordable price.
I've heard that properly done (no scars) diffuse transplant looks good even on shaved heads as it adds a greyish tone to your scalp.
I kind of like my new bald look This is why I never considered FUE (money is not an issue at all). Research on baldness is what got me going 10 years ago, at least the scientific part of it. So, I am using myself as a test subject on treatment I come up with.
I will give you a hint - what is essential in a Platelet Rich Plasma hair loss treatment? - PRP is rich on various Growth Factors (namely FGF) and... I will leave it there so you can do some homework.
Oh, forgot to add - I will never, ever, under any circumstances use anything that is systematic - Finasteride, Oral Minoxidil etc. As might as well go outside and shoot my self... same effect...
This is why I never considered FUE (money is not an issue at all). Research on baldness is what got me going 10 years ago, at least the scientific part of it. So, I am using myself as a test subject on treatment I come up with.I will give you a hint - what is essential in a Platelet Rich Plasma hair loss treatment? - PRP is rich on various Growth Factors (namely FGF) and... I will leave it there so you can do some homework.
Oh, forgot to add - I will never, ever, under any circumstances use anything that is systematic - Finasteride, Oral Minoxidil etc. As might as well go outside and shoot my self... same effect...
ironwill1951
New Member
you gotta be kidding me.. you don't need hcg to lose weigh if your on 500 cal a day diet.
that is the dumbest thing I have ever read,
that is the dumbest thing I have ever read,
Which one exactly are you referring to? Please point me to the sentence(s) I've used to justify and/or defend HCG diet as described in the http://markdrugs.com/Dr_Simeons.pdf
However, in three different places I said:
I personally think that 500 calorie diet is not good. While 25% to (in some cases) 35% calorie deficit is acceptable if one must lose weight (fat primarily) will work and it is justified, 75% or more deficit in uncontrolled environment is a bad, bad idea.
75%-85% calorie deficit diet will make any living thing lose weight regardless.
in starvation mode, the body nondiscriminatory consumes all available resources - fat, muscle, tissue... all of it in the same time.
Last Sunday marked important millstone in our journey in pursuit of healthy diet and balancing essential hormones. Here are some stats as of the beginning
Age - 54
Weight - 206lb
Body Fat – 28%
Total T – 342 (250-827)
Free T – 6.8 (7.2-24.0)
IGF-1 – 96 (50-317)
May 21, 2016: started HGH (EVOGENE) 2UI split (7am and 7pm)
May 27, 2016: started Testosterone Cypionate 120mg/week split (Monday am, Thursday pm)
October 10th, 2016
Age - 54
Weight 174lb
Body Fat – 13.4%
Total T –1153 (348-1197)
Free T – 41 (5-21.0)
IGF-1 – 148 (61-200)
***IGF-1 after approx. 30 days on under dosed HYGE
November 21, 2016
Age - 54
Weight 167lb
Body Fat – 13.2%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – 185 (61-200)
***IGF-1 after approx. 15 days on current supplier (no name brand)
March 7, 2017
Age - 55
Weight 169lb
Body Fat – 12.1%
Total T –1049 (348-1197)
Free T – 38.81 (5-21.0)
IGF-1 – 162 (61-200)
***Up to date, I was using 2IU/day split. After this test, doubled to 4IU/day split
April 19, 2017
Age - 55
Weight 169lb
Body Fat – 11.1%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – 320 (61-200)
***As I began to experience pain in my joints, and water retention got worst, reduced HGH to 3IU/day split after which got much better. Test C remained the same throughout the journey.
May 21, 2017 (one year mark)
Age - 55
Weight 170lb
Body Fat – 10.5%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – N/A
As I’ve said many times before – I am not sure what (clean diet, raised T levels, raised IGF-1 levels, exercise etc.) played major/minor role in this. Most probably, all of the above.
Feel like shit is not a medical diagnose. One might be “down” after long night of drinking (but will sober), after argument with the wife (but will make up), after altercation with a colleague (but will past in a day or two). However, a persistent state of “life is not the same anymore” have devastating effect on one’s “quality of life”. Only those who have been “down in rabbit hole” really know what I am talking about… or can really see the difference if/when “quality of life” improves.
Back to the matter of HGH as contributing factor. I have no statistical evidence to back a claim that HGH was the “miracle drug” that lead to the “body and mind” transformation. But… my wife…
She started HGH 2IU/split on June 18th, 2016, at age 49, 169lb, 38%BF. Mind that until she reached 45, her weight always hovered around 130, with about 25% BF. Then per-menopausal symptoms come, weight exploded and so body fat. Quickly she went from size 2 to 12-14. Fast forward to today (literally). Weight down to 131lb, BF – 21.5%, size 2 again (leaning toward 0). No flashes, sweets, mood swings, period is now on the clock, libido is back (still not matching mine, but getting there).
Here is a glance of one year transformation
There is no doubt the clock can be slowed down and even further, “turned back”, in terms of reverting the damage of accelerated aging. Do we look “30 years old” – no. Do we look and feel as healthy 50/55 old – damn sure we are.
On another note, I did include “peptides” the subject of this tread for a reason. While I am skin type IV (Olive skin, rarely burn, always tans), she is type II (Fair skin, always burns, sometimes tans). On top of that, around 10 years ago, she developed some sort of sensitivity to ultraviolet rays. She went to tanning bed in 2006, 10min session and the next day her entire body was covered with very small blisters, painfully itching, nightmare she said. Dr was not sure what exactly caused it, give her a cream and eventually went away. This same year we go to our summer vacation to South Beach, after the first day on the sand same thing, just worst. We ran to Dr in Miami who diagnosed her with “UV light intolerance”. Devastating! We love beach so much… Needless to say, ever since our vacations are like vampires – hiding in the hotels during the days and going out evenings.
Last year I did a round of MT2 before going to Florida. I’ve tanned much more rapidly from only an hour on the beach (loved it, but felt guilty of wife sitting alone on the hotel balcony). March this year she decided to give MT2 a try. After loading (and a lot of prayers), she went to tanning bed and… for a first time in 10 years she did not had any symptoms. After five tanning session, still nothing (besides a healthy-looking tan). Last Saturday we went to the beach, 90F, clear skies, a lot of fun and… happy days are back again.
And there is also TB500. Now, I said once my wife was weary last year about non-FDA approved "treatment", but now she is a lot more open… So, about a month ago she had plastic surgery (fixing some gravitational damage throughout the years). She did proper loading prior to, and continued dosing after the surgery. The reason I am even mention this is what she told me when come back from Post Op check-up. Now, typically Post-Op is made by the nurse, PS will attend on 3 and 6 months’ mark. However, she said, after short exam, the nurse left the room and come back with the surgeon. Both stated that they have never seen 50y old showing such a remarkable and fast recovery after BA. Apparently TB500 healing properties played important role in the fast recovery.
In conclusion, it is apparent to me that when used in moderation and with proper dosing, peptides might further improve and/or enhance “quality of life”.
Age - 54
Weight - 206lb
Body Fat – 28%
Total T – 342 (250-827)
Free T – 6.8 (7.2-24.0)
IGF-1 – 96 (50-317)
May 21, 2016: started HGH (EVOGENE) 2UI split (7am and 7pm)
May 27, 2016: started Testosterone Cypionate 120mg/week split (Monday am, Thursday pm)
October 10th, 2016
Age - 54
Weight 174lb
Body Fat – 13.4%
Total T –1153 (348-1197)
Free T – 41 (5-21.0)
IGF-1 – 148 (61-200)
***IGF-1 after approx. 30 days on under dosed HYGE
November 21, 2016
Age - 54
Weight 167lb
Body Fat – 13.2%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – 185 (61-200)
***IGF-1 after approx. 15 days on current supplier (no name brand)
March 7, 2017
Age - 55
Weight 169lb
Body Fat – 12.1%
Total T –1049 (348-1197)
Free T – 38.81 (5-21.0)
IGF-1 – 162 (61-200)
***Up to date, I was using 2IU/day split. After this test, doubled to 4IU/day split
April 19, 2017
Age - 55
Weight 169lb
Body Fat – 11.1%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – 320 (61-200)
***As I began to experience pain in my joints, and water retention got worst, reduced HGH to 3IU/day split after which got much better. Test C remained the same throughout the journey.
May 21, 2017 (one year mark)
Age - 55
Weight 170lb
Body Fat – 10.5%
Total T –N/A
Free T – N/A
IGF-1 – N/A
As I’ve said many times before – I am not sure what (clean diet, raised T levels, raised IGF-1 levels, exercise etc.) played major/minor role in this. Most probably, all of the above.
Feel like shit is not a medical diagnose. One might be “down” after long night of drinking (but will sober), after argument with the wife (but will make up), after altercation with a colleague (but will past in a day or two). However, a persistent state of “life is not the same anymore” have devastating effect on one’s “quality of life”. Only those who have been “down in rabbit hole” really know what I am talking about… or can really see the difference if/when “quality of life” improves.
Back to the matter of HGH as contributing factor. I have no statistical evidence to back a claim that HGH was the “miracle drug” that lead to the “body and mind” transformation. But… my wife…
She started HGH 2IU/split on June 18th, 2016, at age 49, 169lb, 38%BF. Mind that until she reached 45, her weight always hovered around 130, with about 25% BF. Then per-menopausal symptoms come, weight exploded and so body fat. Quickly she went from size 2 to 12-14. Fast forward to today (literally). Weight down to 131lb, BF – 21.5%, size 2 again (leaning toward 0). No flashes, sweets, mood swings, period is now on the clock, libido is back (still not matching mine, but getting there).
Here is a glance of one year transformation
There is no doubt the clock can be slowed down and even further, “turned back”, in terms of reverting the damage of accelerated aging. Do we look “30 years old” – no. Do we look and feel as healthy 50/55 old – damn sure we are.
On another note, I did include “peptides” the subject of this tread for a reason. While I am skin type IV (Olive skin, rarely burn, always tans), she is type II (Fair skin, always burns, sometimes tans). On top of that, around 10 years ago, she developed some sort of sensitivity to ultraviolet rays. She went to tanning bed in 2006, 10min session and the next day her entire body was covered with very small blisters, painfully itching, nightmare she said. Dr was not sure what exactly caused it, give her a cream and eventually went away. This same year we go to our summer vacation to South Beach, after the first day on the sand same thing, just worst. We ran to Dr in Miami who diagnosed her with “UV light intolerance”. Devastating! We love beach so much… Needless to say, ever since our vacations are like vampires – hiding in the hotels during the days and going out evenings.
Last year I did a round of MT2 before going to Florida. I’ve tanned much more rapidly from only an hour on the beach (loved it, but felt guilty of wife sitting alone on the hotel balcony). March this year she decided to give MT2 a try. After loading (and a lot of prayers), she went to tanning bed and… for a first time in 10 years she did not had any symptoms. After five tanning session, still nothing (besides a healthy-looking tan). Last Saturday we went to the beach, 90F, clear skies, a lot of fun and… happy days are back again.
And there is also TB500. Now, I said once my wife was weary last year about non-FDA approved "treatment", but now she is a lot more open… So, about a month ago she had plastic surgery (fixing some gravitational damage throughout the years). She did proper loading prior to, and continued dosing after the surgery. The reason I am even mention this is what she told me when come back from Post Op check-up. Now, typically Post-Op is made by the nurse, PS will attend on 3 and 6 months’ mark. However, she said, after short exam, the nurse left the room and come back with the surgeon. Both stated that they have never seen 50y old showing such a remarkable and fast recovery after BA. Apparently TB500 healing properties played important role in the fast recovery.
In conclusion, it is apparent to me that when used in moderation and with proper dosing, peptides might further improve and/or enhance “quality of life”.
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