The good, bad, the ugly of AAS.

[Dw725]

A trainer at my gym is a retired pro BB. he trains all the BB in the gym. This past year he had a massive heart attack, followed by open heart surgery, hes 47 years old. All of his AAS use was monitored by an endocrinologist. There are serious risks involved with AAS use. I feel like steroid use should be left to BB. It's just not worth the risk just to look good in the mirror.

Did he ever see a cardiologist during those years? I only ask bc you just mention endocrinologist. There are definite risk factors that increase with aas use. But it's hard to lock steroids in as a sole cause of a heart attack.

He may or may not have had one regardless. Heart disease is the cause of around 25 percent of all deaths in the US.

We all should do as much as we can to be aware of heart health.

 

[Pierced]

Did he ever see a cardiologist during those years? I only ask bc you just mention endocrinologist. There are definite risk factors that increase with aas use. But it's hard to lock steroids in as a sole cause of a heart attack.

He may or may not have had one regardless. Heart disease is the cause of around 25 percent of all deaths in the US.

We all should do as much as we can to be aware of heart health.

Dont know if he was seeing a cardiologist or not.

 

[Pierced]

Where’s a good resource to get a good cost benefit curve for different compounds and cycle frequencies/durations?

12 week test cycle once a year at 500-600mg weekly for say 10 years with proper if extra cautious PCT protocol - what’s the over/under on health consequences down the road?

What's the pros/upside?
Does it outweigh possible
Hair loss
Inlarged heart
Acne scars
High blood pressure
High cholesterol
Erectol dysfunction
Cost
Drug charge
Risk of tainted gear.
I'm not judging anyone. I use to run gear in my early 30s. This is when all the gear was from Mexican pharmacies, not brewed on a kitchen table. Last year I started dr prescribed TRT. it gave me the itch to run a cycle again. That is how I ended up at Meso. Before I pulled the trigger I made a list of all the pros and cons involved. After looking at the list I just couldn't understand why anyone but a competitive BB would use AAS. But that's just me. I do use ugl to buy cialis. And that's not without risk.

 

[Dead]

Don’t bring yourself down it’s not that bad and it isn’t the end of the world bro. If you’re that bothered by it look into a dermatologist. There is treatments for scarring or procedures that reduce the aftermath of bad acne. Best of luck.

i appreciate this post man, currently seeing a dermatologist. i personally think it looks like a nightmare. hopefully it gets taken care of with treatment and time

 

[NorthMich]

There seems to be a thought that sticking with simple test cycles isn’t as risky as when someone dives in with larger test doses, tren, etc.

 

[Morefyah]

This thread is bad vibes!

 

[Heavy Iron]

i appreciate this post man, currently seeing a dermatologist. i personally think it looks like a nightmare. hopefully it gets taken care of with treatment and time

Definitely don't let it get to your head brother. My buddy looked worse than that off cycle. He eventually got it pretty cleared up.

I know for me any physical ailment whether big or small gets me way down and out and in my head and that's a bad place to be. I had peripheral nerve palsy from an overdose in 2014 and ended up paralyzed from my left delt to my finger tips and had a 50% chance of gaining nerve and feeling back. That shit took me to a dark place...

What I'm getting at is I feel a lot of us have a body dismorphia/ self conscious thing with our image. Probably why I'm tatted from my collar bone to my wrists and run PEDs.

So get that shit out of your head man. Some shit on your skin or how big your muscles are underneath it doesn't define who you are. Shit might be corny as fuck but oh well. You'll be good my dude.

 

[Pierced]

This thread is bad vibes!

No, this thread is truth.

 

[Morefyah]

No, this thread is truth.

http://centerforanxietydisorders.com/hypochondriac-signs/

 

[Bigboy727]

Where’s a good resource to get a good cost benefit curve for different compounds and cycle frequencies/durations?

12 week test cycle once a year at 500-600mg weekly for say 10 years with proper if extra cautious PCT protocol - what’s the over/under on health consequences down the road?

Million dollar question. I started with philosophy and then it opened up the rabbit hole. Fuck I probably 50 vials of gear stashed somewhere because it wasn’t enough. Now
I hate being off and being “normal”. No one likes feeling average, I want to feel like a beast! I started this post for the very reason. Does it even make sense to cycle gear as not
Just do trt and go all in. Why do it half ass? Rule of thumb is, time on equals time off so that means you’re shut down for almost 12 weeks which is quite a bit of time and what will you retain from recycle? Does the negative away the positive? Probably not. To be a recreational Ped user I don’t think there’s much benefit to it at all. I am at crossroad and having a little boy, I am trying to put health first. Is there a way to make yourself healthier using AAS than say drinking 3 nights a week? I can’t say.

 

[Bigboy727]

Definitely don't let it get to your head brother. My buddy looked worse than that off cycle. He eventually got it pretty cleared up.

I know for me any physical ailment whether big or small gets me way down and out and in my head and that's a bad place to be. I had peripheral nerve palsy from an overdose in 2014 and ended up paralyzed from my left delt to my finger tips and had a 50% chance of gaining nerve and feeling back. That shit took me to a dark place...

What I'm getting at is I feel a lot of us have a body dismorphia/ self conscious thing with our image. Probably why I'm tatted from my collar bone to my wrists and run PEDs.

So get that shit out of your head man. Some shit on your skin or how big your muscles are underneath it doesn't define who you are. Shit might be corny as fuck but oh well. You'll be good my dude.

What kind of drug did that?

 

[Pierced]

http://centerforanxietydisorders.com/hypochondriac-signs/

No. I'm a realist. If you want to pretend there is no health risks associated with steroid use then rock on. Again I'm not telling anyone not to run gear. Hell I use to run gear .

 

[Pierced]

Million dollar question. I started with philosophy and then it opened up the rabbit hole. Fuck I probably 50 vials of gear stashed somewhere because it wasn’t enough. Now
I hate being off and being “normal”. No one likes feeling average, I want to feel like a beast! I started this post for the very reason. Does it even make sense to cycle gear as not
Just do trt and go all in. Why do it half ass? Rule of thumb is, time on equals time off so that means you’re shut down for almost 12 weeks which is quite a bit of time and what will you retain from recycle? Does the negative away the positive? Probably not. To be a recreational Ped user I don’t think there’s much benefit to it at all. I am at crossroad and having a little boy, I am trying to put health first. Is there a way to make yourself healthier using AAS than say drinking 3 nights a week? I can’t say.

No one does time off equals time on anymore. Hell I've heard guys on this board say they Cruze on 500 test a week when off cycle. In reality there never off cycle

 

[Bigboy727]

No one does time off equals time on anymore. Hell I've heard guys on this board say they Cruze on 500 test a week when off cycle. In reality there never off cycle

Yeah, people will push it tell they end up in a bad situation.

 

[BigNattyDaddy]

Yeah, people will push it tell they end up in a bad situation.

 

[Dead]

Definitely don't let it get to your head brother. My buddy looked worse than that off cycle. He eventually got it pretty cleared up.

I know for me any physical ailment whether big or small gets me way down and out and in my head and that's a bad place to be. I had peripheral nerve palsy from an overdose in 2014 and ended up paralyzed from my left delt to my finger tips and had a 50% chance of gaining nerve and feeling back. That shit took me to a dark place...

What I'm getting at is I feel a lot of us have a body dismorphia/ self conscious thing with our image. Probably why I'm tatted from my collar bone to my wrists and run PEDs.

So get that shit out of your head man. Some shit on your skin or how big your muscles are underneath it doesn't define who you are. Shit might be corny as fuck but oh well. You'll be good my dude.

yeah im just worried because its scarring, not acne so i dont know how much back to normal it can really get.

thats nuts about the nerve palsy i dont know how i would feel about that. hope thats all taken care of, i guess youre right it could have been worse, these scars could have been on my face, or when my arm snapped the bar i was benching coulda broke my neck, luckily it was only a few inches above me when it snapped and my left jaw took a good amount of impact.

shit just sucks because i am still young and people my age arent mature enough to see past the physical stuff. but youre right it doesnt define who you are, but man i was holding onto this bodybuilding shit like crazy because this world is extremely superficial and its only getting worse.

from the sound of it alot of people on these forums have been through worse, its just ironic cuz the one thing i was trying to make look better got permanently screwed, like damn

 

[Morefyah]

No. I'm a realist. If you want to pretend there is no health risks associated with steroid use then rock on. Again I'm not telling anyone not to run gear. Hell I use to run gear .

Cmon I never said that there is no health risk.I didn’t start cycling AAS until I was 40 years old. I’m on a five month cruise @ 175mg of test a week. There is nothing wrong will being informed and health conscious but some dudes are slaves to there bloodwork! Always trying to tweak something and usually by adding more drugs.

 

[Pierced]

Cmon I never said that there is no health risk.I didn’t start cycling AAS until I was 40 years old. I’m on a five month cruise @ 175mg of test a week. There is nothing wrong will being informed and health conscious but some dudes are slaves to there bloodwork! Always trying to tweak something and usually by adding more drugs.

Didn't you call me a hypochondriac for stating several potential health risks associated with steroid use?

 

[Heavy Iron]

What kind of drug did that?

Heroin. But mainly the fetanyl it was cut with. I banged it sitting in my bathroom on the toilet, overdosed and woke up 18 hours later leaning on the sink. Only the grace and mercy of the universe I didn't die. I thought I'd never be able to lift weights or play the piano again.... Scary shit.

Still didn't stop after that... I was banging dope into a paralyzed arm. It was only when a friend asked me to speak for him for his 8 year celebration. He didn't know I was using again... That was a spiritual bottom. Wanting to stop with every fiber of your being and not being able to is the worst existence.

 

[Heavy Iron]

scarring

Scars brother. It's all good. Like you said. Could be worse. I got Colt cracked in my face and split my lip in two. Gnarly scar. Lol I fell skate boarding like ten years ago and had to get a ton of staples on my chin. So I rock a nice beard. Lol.

If you're worried about a girl that cares about your scars she isn't worth it. Unless you got a girl already then you're good. BUT if you don't you'll find one that doesn't give a shit.