Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[JesterBOB]

Hopefully new Ceausescu '89.

I hope that soon everything will calm down, the war will stop and methods will be found to prevent this from happening again. No one needs war, war will not lead to anything good. Only the fate of people will be ruined.

 

[hijoshiki]

I hope that soon everything will calm down, the war will stop and methods will be found to prevent this from happening again. No one needs war, war will not lead to anything good. Only the fate of people will be ruined.

It won't calm down if the psychos in the United States want to send truck loads of weapons and ammo.

I'm against sending the Ukrainians anything other than food and supplies to help the people sustain themselves.

This is a political conflict, don't get yourself killed. Don't let your emotions run wild. Stay focused, calm and patient and all things will pass, no matter how bad things are they will pass it might take years.

What pisses me off now that I'm an older and hopefully wiser man is that it just isn't worth getting yourself killed anymore. War is to the benefit of the rich and to the detriment of the poor and since the poor make up most of the world there's absolutely no reason for war. If you read into the topics that many rich like Bill Gates talk about he's all about population control and getting rid of those icky poor people so there's more space and land for him.

 

[Hughinn]

It won't calm down if the psychos in the United States want to send truck loads of weapons and ammo.

I'm against sending the Ukrainians anything other than food and supplies to help the people sustain themselves.

This is a political conflict, don't get yourself killed. Don't let your emotions run wild. Stay focused, calm and patient and all things will pass, no matter how bad things are they will pass it might take years.

What pisses me off now that I'm an older and hopefully wiser man is that it just isn't worth getting yourself killed anymore. War is to the benefit of the rich and to the detriment of the poor and since the poor make up most of the world there's absolutely no reason for war. If you read into the topics that many rich like Bill Gates talk about he's all about population control and getting rid of those icky poor people so there's more space and land for him.

 

[Hightower]

These are dictators.

Stalin, Lenin, Mao, all dictators.

I don't even think they understood Communism except Lenin, but even he didn't really care about it as when he came to power he just basically became a dictator rounding up his enemies and killing them. If you wanted to understand Communism you went to Trotsky as he had the brains to figure out how to put it in place.

Same thing for Hitler, comes to power and rounds up his enemies and kills them.

Stalin just killed for the fun of it, he didn't give a shit about communism, he probably didn't even know what it was, only thing he liked more than drinking booze was laughing at his leaders as he sent their wives off to be shot.

Same thing for Pol Pot, they call him a communist, he even admitted that he didn't understand much of that stuff when he was in college, but what he did understand was how to kill men, women and children.

None of these guys are brilliant political intellectuals, they're just stone cold murderers.

When a government is coming up on the end of its life cycle all you get is authoritarianism with cops basically bashing people over the head because that's all it has to offer anyone and those are the only jobs available.

It seems to me that Lenin was a pawn and a temporary piece, only to overthrow the tsar. Further power was in the hands of Stalin. A terrible man, he did everything so that his power was absolute and was based on fear, he easily destroyed any opposition

 

[malfeasance]

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So?

When one of those western countries starts acting aggressively and attacking Russia, let us know.

Until then you have no point. That is a stupid argument to use as justification for invading Ukraine.

 

[Nerdrage_Hilmateam]

I just got off the phone with a friend in Kyiv. He stayed at home. He says everything is just awful. The Russian media is now propagandizing that they are killing neo-Nazis. A lot of people even in my house think so, but it's not true.

 

[hijoshiki]

I just got off the phone with a friend in Kyiv. He stayed at home. He says everything is just awful. The Russian media is now propagandizing that they are killing neo-Nazis. A lot of people even in my house think so, but it's not true.

Why the Neo Nazi accusation would mean anything to anyone is beyond me.

Do Russians really care one way or the other?

 

[Albozz]

Why the Neo Nazi accusation would mean anything to anyone is beyond me.

Do Russians really care one way or the other?

Its not just an accusation,there some truth to it.Watch this BBC documentary about right wing groups in Ukraine from 2014. Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT (BBC-2014) Soros is really one of the most evil persons in modern history. Not only that hes funding nazi groups in Ukraine but hes also the puppetmaster of antifa that attacks our communitys and is murdering ppl on the street without punishment . He is also responsible for the refugee crisis 2015 in Europe because merkel refused to send arms to Ukraine.And now hes flooding your southern border with savages from the 3rd world.

 

[hijoshiki]

Its not just an accusation,there some truth to it.Watch this BBC documentary about right wing groups in Ukraine from 2014. Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT (BBC-2014) Soros is really one of the most evil persons in modern history. Not only that hes funding nazi groups in Ukraine but hes also the puppetmaster of antifa that attacks our communitys and is murdering ppl on the street without punishment . He is also responsible for the refugee crisis 2015 in Europe because merkel refused to send arms to Ukraine.And now hes flooding your southern border with savages from the 3rd world.

Neo-Nazi is a buzzword, but what does it even mean in the hands of a group of people?

Racism....anyone can be racist and prejudice.

In-group preference......no one has more in-group preference than Israelis and the members of that tribe.

National Laws that ensure supremacy of one people.....check that off for Israel as well.

Genetic testing to immigrate to a country.....only place I now that to be done is Israel.

I could go on all day long, but there is only one place where true National Socialism is practiced and it ain't in Europe.

Racism and Prejudice are a problem no matter where you go. The dominant will dominate and that's a shame that people can't just leave people alone to live their lives quietly without trying to control and crush their spirit.

 

[Zerg]

Good thing the US Army War College will be adding White Rage to the curriculum.

 

[JesterBOB]

It won't calm down if the psychos in the United States want to send truck loads of weapons and ammo.

I'm against sending the Ukrainians anything other than food and supplies to help the people sustain themselves.

This is a political conflict, don't get yourself killed. Don't let your emotions run wild. Stay focused, calm and patient and all things will pass, no matter how bad things are they will pass it might take years.

What pisses me off now that I'm an older and hopefully wiser man is that it just isn't worth getting yourself killed anymore. War is to the benefit of the rich and to the detriment of the poor and since the poor make up most of the world there's absolutely no reason for war. If you read into the topics that many rich like Bill Gates talk about he's all about population control and getting rid of those icky poor people so there's more space and land for him.

I fully agree that it is not worth sending anything from weapons to Ukraine, except for really medicine, food, clothing and everything that can save lives.
Weapons will escalate the situation more and could turn into a protracted war.
Maybe that's what the rich and powerful do. For them, war is business and power.

 

[hijoshiki]

I fully agree that it is not worth sending anything from weapons to Ukraine, except for really medicine, food, clothing and everything that can save lives.
Weapons will escalate the situation more and could turn into a protracted war.
Maybe that's what the rich and powerful do. For them, war is business and power.

It's really a problem of humans subordination to those in power.

If you could break this spell where people obeyed, stopped respecting hierarchy, stopped splitting themselves according to class and caste then you wouldn't have to worry about the lunatics throughout history that order masses of people to self annihilate. You would simply say this man is crazy and needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

I don't see how subordination and hierarchy help anyone other than the well off members of society, the rest, the majority are simply being exploited and made miserable.

 

[Hughinn]

So?

When one of those western countries starts acting aggressively and attacking Russia, let us know.

Until then you have no point. That is a stupid argument to use as justification for invading Ukraine.

You're showing yourself poorly informed, very leftist propogandized and overly opinionated as usual.

In 1994 Bill Clinton made an agreement with Ukraine that if it gave up it's nuclear arsenal then the United States would defend it against aggression from other nations.
Later that year Clinton and gorbetrav agreed that if NATO ceased all eastward expansion, then Russia would remain nuetral regarding Ukraine as long as Ukraine did not entertain joining NATO. This was 1994.



Since then the map shows the eastward expansion of NATO despite that agreement.

And after fleecing millions of dollars from the Ukrainian gas sector, joe Biden once installed president immediately began openly flirting with the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.

If you draw a line in the sand and tell someone that if they cross it, you'll punch them. Then they look you right in the eye and step over it, so you punch them.

Does that mean you "attack them without cause"?

No.

Neither did Russia

Furthermore, after the annexation and seperation of Crimea a ceasefire was called and no weapons were to be sent to Ukraine for the purpose of continuing war on Crimea.

NATO nations including America continued sending weapons to Ukraine who used them in Crimea.

Yes Russia invaded. They were also fairly provoked. Plenty of blame here. Starting with Joe Biden. Who dropped the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Albozz]

So?

When one of those western countries starts acting aggressively and attacking Russia, let us know.

Until then you have no point. That is a stupid argument to use as justification for invading Ukraine.

Well the western nations tried to overthrow the governments of several russian satellites like Georgia,Belarus,kasachstan and successfully overthrew the Ukrainian government.They also funded and armed jihadi terrorist from chechnya that killed hundreds of Russian civilians.Thats not passive behavior for me.Stop picking sides in this conflict,this is not a soccer game.Both countrys are controlled by the same satanic tribe and our European brothers are suffering on both sides.

 

[hijoshiki]

Both countrys are controlled by the same satanic tribe and our European brothers are suffering on both sides.

This is why you can't let emotions run wild.

Americans have been programmed to go to war whenever the word freedom is proclaimed.

As a result they have sunk the country into deep debt and thousands of men roll around in wheelchairs slobbering on themselves with no arms and legs.

There is no fighting for freedom, because freedom doesn't exist the world over, it's all just wars to protect the "tribe" at all costs. Meanwhile the tribe works on better and better technology to keep the police state chugging along.

 

[JesterBOB]

It's really a problem of humans subordination to those in power.

If you could break this spell where people obeyed, stopped respecting hierarchy, stopped splitting themselves according to class and caste then you wouldn't have to worry about the lunatics throughout history that order masses of people to self annihilate. You would simply say this man is crazy and needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

I don't see how subordination and hierarchy help anyone other than the well off members of society, the rest, the majority are simply being exploited and made miserable.

This is how everything is created and done in order to create different types of power through the dependence of people. From goods, loans, food, real estate, work. And a person is drawn into a circle of needs that are essentially imposed on him. They create the illusion that he builds his life on his own rules. But in fact he is a puppet in someone else's game.

 

[JesterBOB]

You're showing yourself poorly informed, very leftist propogandized and overly opinionated as usual.

In 1994 Bill Clinton made an agreement with Ukraine that if it gave up it's nuclear arsenal then the United States would defend it against aggression from other nations.
Later that year Clinton and gorbetrav agreed that if NATO ceased all eastward expansion, then Russia would remain nuetral regarding Ukraine as long as Ukraine did not entertain joining NATO. This was 1994.



Since then the map shows the eastward expansion of NATO despite that agreement.

And after fleecing millions of dollars from the Ukrainian gas sector, joe Biden once installed president immediately began openly flirting with the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.

If you draw a line in the sand and tell someone that if they cross it, you'll punch them. Then they look you right in the eye and step over it, so you punch them.

Does that mean you "attack them without cause"?

No.

Neither did Russia

Furthermore, after the annexation and seperation of Crimea a ceasefire was called and no weapons were to be sent to Ukraine for the purpose of continuing war on Crimea.

NATO nations including America continued sending weapons to Ukraine who used them in Crimea.

Yes Russia invaded. They were also fairly provoked. Plenty of blame here. Starting with Joe Biden. Who dropped the straw that broke the camels back.

I read a lot of information since the collapse of the USSR. How the situation of the conflict between Russia and NATO developed. And in fact, the United States probably did everything to escalate and aggravate the conflict as much as possible. Yes, and in fact in every possible way provoked what is happening in Ukraine. It seems to me that this could well have been avoided if the goal was peace and balance.
But in fact they woke up the Russian bear. But I do not justify the methods of Russia, but it is understandable what they are doing now.
THIS is just an opinion.

 

[Megadick3000]

I read a lot of information since the collapse of the USSR. How the situation of the conflict between Russia and NATO developed. And in fact, the United States probably did everything to escalate and aggravate the conflict as much as possible. Yes, and in fact in every possible way provoked what is happening in Ukraine. It seems to me that this could well have been avoided if the goal was peace and balance.
But in fact they woke up the Russian bear. But I do not justify the methods of Russia, but it is understandable what they are doing now.
THIS is just an opinion.

Regardless of the US and europe promoting NATO my counter argument is simply this: it is the right of any FREE and democratic country to choose its own destiny. So while the USA can entice a country to join NATO it is ultimately the choice of the country to do so. USA cannot force a country to join NATO, if ukraine wants to join NATO it is Ukraines choice to do so. The russians dont want Ukraine to join NATO, but rather than respect the right of ukraine to make such a choice they are instead trying to force their will upon it.

This shouldnt come as a surprise because Putin is a dictator and the entire concept of being a dictator is that you force your will upon others, you dictate their choices, therefore they have no choices of their own and consequently no rights either.

To analogize this its like im NATO and i say to you “come to my party, ill give you free beer if you show up!” And then Russia is like “your not going to that party, i forbid it, and if you even try im gonna break your fucking legs and your grounded for life”.

Russia has their own version of NATO, i forget what they call it, but nobody wants to join it. To analogize again, im NATO and if you come to my party ill give you free beer and hot chicks, whereas Russia says if you goto their party youll get a bag of turnips and potatoes. Well shit, i think we know whose throwing the better party, so what party are you going to go to?

Then Russia gets butthurt because nobody but Belarus shows up at their party and its just two bitter angry guys pissed off cause they dont know how to throw a good party that anybody wants to goto. Is that my fault as NATO that i throw a way better party that people actually want to goto?

 

[malfeasance]

Well the western nations . . . successfully overthrew the Ukrainian government.

Share actual evidence supporting your claim.

 

[hijoshiki]

This is how everything is created and done in order to create different types of power through the dependence of people. From goods, loans, food, real estate, work. And a person is drawn into a circle of needs that are essentially imposed on him. They create the illusion that he builds his life on his own rules. But in fact he is a puppet in someone else's game.

That's a good way to sum up the problems created that never needed to exist.

Jean-Jacques Rousseau: “Man is born free but everywhere is in chains.”