Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hijoshiki]

I also would bet that you'll see Azov begin to take full lead on the Russian conflict. They're already more or less in charge of the Ukrainian resistance.

They drive the Russian army out of Ukraine with minimal concessions on Ukraine and their influence grows in Europe massively.

And the US state department is giving them the weapons and tools to do it. Just so we can fight them later when Ukraine depends into civil war.

One thing is certain about this region, you can't trust any news that comes from there.


It could have been staged all those civilians that were bound and supposedly shot by the Russians. I could be real, but who knows. If you got bodies it doesn't take anything to bound them and shoot a video with your commander talking about war crimes.

I know one thing, you're a idiot if you travel from any country and step foot over there as you can't trust anyone, the Ukrainians will rat out your location and let the Russians kill you then the Ukrainians will use your lifeless body to drum up more support for weapons.

 

[JesterBOB]

No, Mike, it's different from that.

In America, Democrats call anyone to the right of Martha Stewart a Nazi.

But these guys are bona fide Nazis. Direct descendants of the Nazi commanders who operated in what is now western Ukraine. Recruited specifically from the people of the former Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia people.

Who had specific grievances with Russian people due to territorial conflicts predating world war 1.

The Nazi party recruited them to fight Russia during world war 2. The azog people in the inner circle are the descendants of those people.

Genuine Nazis. And they know it.

But this is typical. We also allied with Al Qaeda in Syria. Basically anyone willing to kill people they don't like is okay with the US government.

They lie and spin it here to get the lefty idiots to accept it and there you go

These are the guys from western Ukraine who were in the punitive detachments under Hitler, I understand correctly or I am mistaken. More precisely, their descendants or that very ideology?

 

[ironwill1951]

One thing is certain about this region, you can't trust any news that comes from there.


It could have been staged all those civilians that were bound and supposedly shot by the Russians. I could be real, but who knows. If you got bodies it doesn't take anything to bound them and shoot a video with your commander talking about war crimes.

I know one thing, you're a idiot if you travel from any country and step foot over there as you can't trust anyone, the Ukrainians will rat out your location and let the Russians kill you then the Ukrainians will use your lifeless body to drum up more support for weapons.

how do you get your information ? have you been their?
if not your just spreading propaganda.

 

[Hughinn]

These are the guys from western Ukraine who were in the punitive detachments under Hitler, I understand correctly or I am mistaken. More precisely, their descendants or that very ideology?

Both.

Many of these people come from a group originally called right sector. These people claim to be, and many are verifiably descendants of Nazi commanders in western Ukraine.

Most Americans don't understand Nazi ideology at all really. Although it is based in part on nationalism and white supremecy it's also got an almost religious element to it.

These are not the shaved head, tattoo covered white supremacists and typical racist red necks American media makes them out to be.

They're more like the Al Qaeda or Hamas type Arab nationalist groups than anything else. Just like Al Qaeda and Hamas can disappear into Arab society,
If you met one of the American versions of these people on the street, you'd likely never know it.

 

[Canknucklehead]

how do you get your information ? have you been their?
if not your just spreading propaganda.

He obviously watches RussianTV....

 

[Big_paul]

What is happening in Ukraine will pale to what will happen in America when it comes time to put down nationalist allies of putins mass murders .

Fucking traitors.

 

[Big_paul]

I never thought i would live to see the day in this country when Americans would blow Russia.

Which one of you cocksuckers want to suck putins cock? Sound off.

 

[Karabudjan]

For those who do not believe that the Russians carried out the massacre, they should see the "Katyn massacre" that the Soviet secret police carried out on Polish officers and intellectuals, more than 9,000 people shot dead in the neck as if in a bucha.

 

[HDH]

What is happening in Ukraine will pale to what will happen in America when it comes time to put down nationalist allies of putins mass murders .

Fucking traitors.

I never thought i would live to see the day in this country when Americans would blow Russia.

Which one of you cocksuckers want to suck putins cock? Sound off.

Really dude?

Did you start your period today?

Since I'm one of those cocksuckers that doesn't believe Putin is doing what the mainstream media is reporting, I'll sound off.

Only thing is I'm not going to give you what you want here. I don't let feelings rule over logic so I won't play your liberal hate games and join in on your fight. It does no good for you to pick fights with people that have no control over what happens.

Your news tells you Putin is mass murdering and my news tells me they are doing it to themselves because they are losing their asses off and have nothing left but lies and propaganda.

Putin hasn't released everything on the labs and they know it. All they can do is destroy his name same as they did to Trump.

NOBODY here wants to see any ukranians die. No mater what side you believe, each side is for the people of ukraine that aren't there for deep state purposes.

Do you see me calling people cocksuckers because the US is so dirty it's got half the population brainwashed into thinking we are the good guys but are the reason ukranians are being murdered?

No you don't.

My point is no one wants to see any of this happen so take your feelings up the road fella.

I don't get worked up because I'm confident in my beliefs and ability to research and determine facts from bullshit. This will all be over before we know it anyways. You will have to look then, just like everyone else.

 

[JesterBOB]

Both.

Many of these people come from a group originally called right sector. These people claim to be, and many are verifiably descendants of Nazi commanders in western Ukraine.

Most Americans don't understand Nazi ideology at all really. Although it is based in part on nationalism and white supremecy it's also got an almost religious element to it.

These are not the shaved head, tattoo covered white supremacists and typical racist red necks American media makes them out to be.

They're more like the Al Qaeda or Hamas type Arab nationalist groups than anything else. Just like Al Qaeda and Hamas can disappear into Arab society,
If you met one of the American versions of these people on the street, you'd likely never know it.

Yes, thanks for the clarification. And about the media and how they give out nationalists, you are right.

 

[JesterBOB]

What is happening in Ukraine will pale to what will happen in America when it comes time to put down nationalist allies of putins mass murders .

Fucking traitors.

The feeling that our country is mired in corruption and the dirt of money and our officials, including the president, are puppets who are well managed.

 

[Hughinn]

What is happening in Ukraine will pale to what will happen in America when it comes time to put down nationalist allies of putins mass murders .

Fucking traitors.

I never thought i would live to see the day in this country when Americans would blow Russia.

Which one of you cocksuckers want to suck putins cock? Sound off.

Personally, i couldn't care less about Putin.
Because I'm an American, and I care more about what my leadership has done and is doing to provoke and agitate this situation when it could have easily been avoided.

Joe biden could have helped the Ukrainian people in thousands of different ways without pushing for NATO membership. Instead he picked thier pockets along with his crackhead son while dangling a NATO membership under their noses knowing damn well it would provoke exactly this military response from Russia

You think Russia didn’t know about the Ukrainian bribes being paid to joe Biden's crackhead son while joe was pushing for Ukraine to join nato?

You see Paul, I care about that more than I hate Putin. Because my country didn't elect putin, it "elected" Joe biden, and joe biden could have prevented this easily.

And it doesn't stop there.

The lead fbi agent that got caught in the entrapment of several individuals while orchestrating a phoney kidnapping plot against Governor Gretchen Whitmer has just been promoted to Jan 6 commission by our piece of shit presiding in the Whitehouse.

The guy literally set up a kidnapping plot using fbi informants, spread fabricated details to the media, just to arrest anybody he could get to along with it.
Everyone he arrested got acquitted, he faced no discipline and now gets promoted by joe biden and his fbi director.

Putin is definitely a ruthless dude. But he isn't my president.

Joe biden is definitely a lying, grifting and corrupt piece of shit that could have prevented this suffering and instead chose to provoke it.

He's my president

I care more about that.

 

[JesterBOB]

Personally, i couldn't care less about Putin.
Because I'm an American, and I care more about what my leadership has done and is doing to provoke and agitate this situation when it could have easily been avoided.

Joe biden could have helped the Ukrainian people in thousands of different ways without pushing for NATO membership. Instead he picked thier pockets along with his crackhead son while dangling a NATO membership under their noses knowing damn well it would provoke exactly this military response from Russia

You think Russia didn’t know about the Ukrainian bribes being paid to joe Biden's crackhead son while joe was pushing for Ukraine to join nato?

You see Paul, I care about that more than I hate Putin. Because my country didn't elect putin, it "elected" Joe biden, and joe biden could have prevented this easily.

And it doesn't stop there.

The lead fbi agent that got caught in the entrapment of several individuals while orchestrating a phoney kidnapping plot against Governor Gretchen Whitmer has just been promoted to Jan 6 commission by our piece of shit presiding in the Whitehouse.

The guy literally set up a kidnapping plot using fbi informants, spread fabricated details to the media, just to arrest anybody he could get to along with it.
Everyone he arrested got acquitted, he faced no discipline and now gets promoted by joe biden and his fbi director.

Putin is definitely a ruthless dude. But he isn't my president.

Joe biden is definitely a lying, grifting and corrupt piece of shit that could have prevented this suffering and instead chose to provoke it.

He's my president

I care more about that.

Of course, I feel sorry for the people who are dying in Ukraine. But in general, I agree, I am more concerned about what is happening with us and what is happening with us. What is our president doing? It can be seen how every year our life is getting worse.

 

[ironwill1951]

wow. talk about a conspiracy theory.
where do you get all those ideas from?
russia has been planing an invasion of the Ukrain for many years. way before Biden was elected. putin did not just wake up one day and say hell lets invade their country today.
and it didnt help having trump holding his hand for the last four years like a puppy while throwing all of the US allies under the bus.

 

[Hughinn]

wow. talk about a conspiracy theory.
where do you get all those ideas from?
russia has been planing an invasion of the Ukrain for many years. way before Biden was elected. putin did not just wake up one day and say hell lets invade their country today.
and it didnt help having trump holding his hand for the last four years like a puppy while throwing all of the US allies under the bus.

Obviously, like most democrat party supporters, you're not informed very well.

This is a letter by the US ambassador to Moscow in 2008 sent to Washington regarding the ukranian and Russian complications with NATO.

The man sending it is William Burns acting as a US ambassador.

He's currently Joe Bidens CIA director.

"Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face."


Joe Biden knew his blustering and blithering about Ukraine joining NATO would provoke this response. His own advisor and cia director specifically told him ON THE RECORD.

"February 2014Ukraine is thrust into violent revolution, with thousands of anti-government protesters marching on the capital, Kiev. As a result, the country's government is overthrown and its pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, is removed from office. He remains exiled in Moscow."

"April 2014Vice President Joe Biden leads a U.S. delegation to Kiev tasked with rooting out corruption and advocating for Ukraine to diminish its reliance on Russian oil. The Obama administration had pledged aid money to support a fledgling Ukrainian administration recovering from a revolution that ousted the country's previous leader.

"You have to fight the cancer of corruption that is endemic in your system right now," Biden told the Ukrainian parliament during the first of several post-revolution visits to the country. "And with the right investments and the right choices, Ukraine can reduce its energy dependence and increase its energy security." - Joe Biden

"May 2014Within months of his dismissal from the Navy Reserves after testing positive for cocaine, the vice president's son, Hunter Biden, joins the board of Burisma, Ukraine's premier oil and gas company.

The 2014 maiden revolution was funded, organized and supported by the US state department and the Obama administration with Joe biden as the man tasked with the foreign policy of Ukraine

Hunter Biden and his associate at a business entity called Rosemont Seneca Partners -- where Hunter Biden was a managing partner -- both obtained board seats around the same time. According to banking records reviewed by ABC News, Seneca Partners began collecting $166,666 payments each month."

April 15 2019Hunter Biden's directorship at Burisma expires and he decides not to renew his seat. ( Roughly five years of payments is roughly 9.9 million dollars paid to Biden)

April 25, 2019Joe Biden launches his 2020 presidential campaign


Like it or not. Joe Biden is tied personally into this situation with Ukraine

That's a fact. Not an opinion. Joe biden did everything he could to escalate this situation.

Ukraine's 2014 revolution to Trump's push for a Ukrainian probe of Biden: A timeline

A timeline from Ukraine's 2014 revolution to President Donald Trump's push for a Ukraine probe of former Vice President Joe Biden.

abcnews.go.com

Joe biden helped this along. He pushed the idea of nato expansion while taking bribes from Ukraine. He knew since 1997 these actions would provoke, Russia

Flashback ’97: Sen. Biden Says NATO Expansion Would Spark War With Russia – [your]NEWS

Fast forward to today: Biden has just banned Russian oil and gas in response to Russia's invasion in Ukraine launched over its NATO security concerns.

yournews.com

 

[Hightower]

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Seriously, I would not like to see such an image in the mirror of my car. Somehow it becomes very scary.

 

[ironwill1951]

i will only respond to your opening remark about democratic supporters not being very well informed.
i am not a democrat i have always been a republican as my father and grandfather were.
the difference between you and i is that i have a mind of my own i dont rely on the republican party to tell me what i should believe.
by the way there is no real republican party only the trump party

 

[Hughinn]

i will only respond to your opening remark about democratic supporters not being very well informed.
i am not a democrat i have always been a republican as my father and grandfather were.
the difference between you and i is that i have a mind of my own i dont rely on the republican party to tell me what i should believe.
by the way there is no real republican party only the trump party

In other words, in the face of facts and logic, you have no reply.

But you said

it didnt help having trump holding his hand for the last four years like a puppy while throwing all of the US allies under the bus.

Did Ukrainian people die? Was Russia threatened with nato expansion? Were our allies at war?

russia has been planing an invasion of the Ukrain for many years. way before Biden was elected

As I pointed out, Joe biden has been calling for Ukrainian membership in NATO since 2008. When he knew and stated for a fact that he knew in the links provided above that ukranian membership in NATO would cause a war with Russia.


the difference between you and i is that i have a mind of my own i dont rely on the republican party to tell me what i should believe.

by the way there is no real republican party only the trump party


The difference between you and I, is that I ask questions and think for myself. You follow the party line.

Like what other reason would a Ukrainian gas company pay joe bidens crackhead son millions of dollars during his term as vice president except to bribe joe biden?

Joe biden collected bribes from Ukraine
Joe biden pushed for Ukraine membership into nato since 2008
Joe biden was part of the administration that orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014
Joe biden got installed potus in 2020 and immediately courted the idea of nato membership for Ukraine.

A man that thinks for himself, would ask, if you were tasked with Russian national security, what would that look like to you?

I don't care about Putin. I'm american.
I care about the fact that our own corrupt leaders instigated this terrible conflict. I care about our own leadership lying and agitating a war to enrich themselves.

You bitch amd moan about "trump party" and lament all you want.

I'm personally glad that the bushes and Cheney war mongering bastards who lied about weapons of mass destruction are now ousted from the "trump" party. They never belonged there in the first place.

The globalist corporate democrat party fits those types much better. Maybe you do too? I hope not. But democrat party supporters tend to be poorly informed, pseudo idealistic and very emotional.

Unfortunately Joe biden is president. This is the result.

Consider the big picture here

 

[Hightower]

It seems to me that this is some kind of high-budget Hollywood film about politics, war, where there are many victims. Where people are like pawns on a chessboard. The plot is very complex and it is not clear where is the truth and where is the lie. There are a lot of lies where the media form public opinion. It is a pity that this is not a film, but life, where, as I repeat, people are dying.

 

[Hughinn]