Fellow posters with addiction/criminal history

[hijoshiki]

Your a clown with zero knowledge of the subject. Keep your day job as a college aged know it all.

I realize my unorthodox view on this matter called addiction, but I can't imagine if I completely removed whatever you're addicted to you'd still have an addiction we could diagnose.

Enlighten me on this subject and tell me how this is wrong?

I'm just not convinced that we're all addicted to something or we're all victims of something. It's time to pull the panties back up and get on with your life and stop with all this bullshit feeling sorry for ourselves. Life sucks ass, that's just the way it is, accept and move on.

 

[jJjburton]

I realize my unorthodox view on this matter called addiction, but I can't imagine if I completely removed whatever you're addicted to you'd still have an addiction we could diagnose.

Enlighten me on this subject and tell me how this is wrong?

I'm just not convinced that we're all addicted to something or we're all victims of something. It's time to pull the panties back up and get on with your life and stop with all this bullshit feeling sorry for ourselves. Life sucks ass, that's just the way it is, accept and move on.

Taking a substance is the symptom of the real problem, its not the problem itself

 

[hijoshiki]

Taking a substance is the symptom of the real problem, its not the problem itself

What are the real problems that lead to addiction and why do most people end up dealing with these problems without becoming addicts?

It seems to me addiction is a compulsive behavior, granted the brain is seeking pleasure or relief from pain depending on what they're addicted to.

This form of OCD can be solved when you completely remove yourself from the impulse to engage in whatever activity is causing you problems.

My main thing was that these support groups that help with this aren't necessary. Cold Turkey removal of whatever is ruling you are the people that don't relapse, they recognize they're self destructing and they want it out of their life for good. Don't need someone's shoulder to cry on, just a pitcher of water, a bed and a barf bucket.

 

[Norse13]

Sadly in many nordic countries crime rates are going up, for example sweden is now i think almost on top of europes crime rates. Finland and Norway are not as bad, but with over-immigration, exclusion and more drugs coming in its going downhill here too. Depends a lot on where you live too.

Definitely no over-immigration in Finland, outside of Helsinki you rarely see a non-white person. Huge difference between Norway/Sweden and Finland.

 

[Djdj97]

Definitely no over-immigration in Finland, outside of Helsinki you rarely see a non-white person. Huge difference between Norway/Sweden and Finland.

Not like in Sweden but its going towards that. Also to say you rarely see a non-white person outside Helsinki shows that your not familiar with the situation. However i do admit very sincerely that the situation is nowhere near Sweden/Norway, but if we continue to make the same decisions in 10-15 years it will be the same.

 

[Norse13]

I realize my unorthodox view on this matter called addiction, but I can't imagine if I completely removed whatever you're addicted to you'd still have an addiction we could diagnose.

Enlighten me on this subject and tell me how this is wrong?

Part of the difference between real world and your academic hypothesis is that in the real world you generally can't remove the objects of addiction.

Addicted to sex? Remove all women?
Addicted to gambling? Remove Internet and all other people?
Addicted to drinking? Addicted to drugs?

Have you in real life seen a drug addict move to another city to get away from his buddies and community, start afresh? How long before that person either gets on the phone with his old buds, or gets in touch with the drug community in his new town? Junkies spot each other easily.

 

[Country Club Hero]

What are the real problems that lead to addiction and why do most people end up dealing with these problems without becoming addicts?

It seems to me addiction is a compulsive behavior, granted the brain is seeking pleasure or relief from pain depending on what they're addicted to.

This form of OCD can be solved when you completely remove yourself from the impulse to engage in whatever activity is causing you problems.

My main thing was that these support groups that help with this aren't necessary. Cold Turkey removal of whatever is ruling you are the people that don't relapse, they recognize they're self destructing and they want it out of their life for good. Don't need someone's shoulder to cry on, just a pitcher of water, a bed and a barf bucket.

If your brain is not wired to become easily addicted then you can not understand it. It’s difficult for me to empathize with many others and various human conditions that I don’t really understand. You don’t know what you don’t know and that’s ok. But certain brains are just prime candidates for addiction. Hard to explain but if you were one of the unlucky ones then you’d understand.

other factors that play a role in levels of addiction are things like OCD and routine oriented living. Combine those with an addictive personality and you have a recipe for a professional addict. Especially if they are pretty sharp intellectually. Those are the ones that can live an entire life majorly addicted but still functioning members of society. It’s real. And ugly.

 

[Huppurotta]

You ever see reinderspotting? It was a finish movie about suboxone (called something different there) addicts. They actually just came out with a sequel that I had to really search for to download via torrent. It’s called Lost Boys and it follows the story of what happened to the main documentary subject after the left Finland and was found dead in Asia under strange circumstances. It’s a real niche documentary but most finish drug users I’ve talked to online knew about it.

I got that movie as birthday present when i was addict. Still havent seen sequel tho. And reindeerspotting takes place at start in Rovaniemi wich is really north so their drug use is different when it comes to lets say Helsinki (Capital of Finland). Its much easier to get drugs in these cityes. And its called subutex. Its pill withouy naloxine. We have suboxone also its given in clinics.

 

[valuum]

I got that movie as birthday present when i was addict. Still havent seen sequel tho. And reindeerspotting takes place at start in Rovaniemi wich is really north so their drug use is different when it comes to lets say Helsinki (Capital of Finland). Its much easier to get drugs in these cityes. And its called subutex. Its pill withouy naloxine. We have suboxone also its given in clinics.

Ah ok. In the film they called it temegesic which I assume is just a brand name for bupe. Contrary to popular belief the nalaxone does nothing. It does not prevent you from snorting or injecting by altering the high in any way. Nor does it allow you to use opiates in conjunction, or prevent precipitated withdrawal like junkie myth says.

The sequel is alright, took me FOREVER to find a torrent and subs and I was disappointed. It could have been 25% as long. The amount of filler was insane, just avant-garde sequences of blurry streets and traffic. The actual footage of the subjects and the story was pretty interesting. Dude really went out trying to solve the mystery of his buddies death.

I always wondered if the city in subject was the equivalent of the boonies where all they could get was pharma. I’m sure all those Scandinavian countries have drugs just like any other place.

 

[Huppurotta]

Ah ok. In the film they called it temegesic which I assume is just a brand name for bupe. Contrary to popular belief the nalaxone does nothing. It does not prevent you from snorting or injecting by altering the high in any way. Nor does it allow you to use opiates in conjunction, or prevent precipitated withdrawal like junkie myth says.

The sequel is alright, took me FOREVER to find a torrent and subs and I was disappointed. It could have been 25% as long. The amount of filler was insane, just avant-garde sequences of blurry streets and traffic. The actual footage of the subjects and the story was pretty interesting. Dude really went out trying to solve the mystery of his buddies death.

I always wondered if the city in subject was the equivalent of the boonies where all they could get was pharma. I’m sure all those Scandinavian countries have drugs just like any other place.

Yeah temegesic is bubre but with lover doses.

Ah ok. In the film they called it temegesic which I assume is just a brand name for bupe. Contrary to popular belief the nalaxone does nothing. It does not prevent you from snorting or injecting by altering the high in any way. Nor does it allow you to use opiates in conjunction, or prevent precipitated withdrawal like junkie myth says.

The sequel is alright, took me FOREVER to find a torrent and subs and I was disappointed. It could have been 25% as long. The amount of filler was insane, just avant-garde sequences of blurry streets and traffic. The actual footage of the subjects and the story was pretty interesting. Dude really went out trying to solve the mystery of his buddies death.

I always wondered if the city in subject was the equivalent of the boonies where all they could get was pharma. I’m sure all those Scandinavian countries have drugs just like any other place.

Yeah temegesic is buprenorfin but with smalle doses. And drug culture in Finland is kinda weird,we had big heroin problem back in 80's and early 90's. Then this one doctor started to take junkies to others countries to get buprenorfin to them. He lost his doctors license but after that we got suboxone clinics etc. So thesedays and days when reindeerspotting was filmed,we dont have lots of heroin and even when you can get it its expensive af. Like 200-300€ per gram. So our drug scene is mostly around bubrenorfin (subutex, suboxone,temgecis) speed and benzos

 

[Djdj97]

Im upping this thread since idk where to vent. Since the last time i posted ive had hard times and separated with my daughters mother and had some health problems thar kept me from the gym for 7 months. Since then i have found a new girlfriend and lately things have not been so great, and i relapsed a few months ago using cocaine for about a month. Now im back to training and feeling better, im growing and i feel i can handle my responsabilities better again. But the last few days again ive had 1-3 lines of coke everyday, and then realizing its 30 mins of enjoying and crippling anxiety after. Today again i relapsed on coke and im feeling utter shit, im going to come clean to my GF today about relapsing and hoping honesty and admitting my problems will make me more strong again.. im keeping it somehow in control now, still making progress in the gym and not just fking everything up. Hope i will win this addiction once again! Anyone going trough the battle, dont relapse it will take you back down to the world of emptiness and anxiety. Tomorrow is a new day and a new workout, wish me luck.

EDIT; If anyone has tips how to get that what if feeling from your mind id appreciate it, i fight with a strong adhd also so my life is constant dopamine hunting

 

[jJjburton]

Im upping this thread since idk where to vent. Since the last time i posted ive had hard times and separated with my daughters mother and had some health problems thar kept me from the gym for 7 months. Since then i have found a new girlfriend and lately things have not been so great, and i relapsed a few months ago using cocaine for about a month. Now im back to training and feeling better, im growing and i feel i can handle my responsabilities better again. But the last few days again ive had 1-3 lines of coke everyday, and then realizing its 30 mins of enjoying and crippling anxiety after. Today again i relapsed on coke and im feeling utter shit, im going to come clean to my GF today about relapsing and hoping honesty and admitting my problems will make me more strong again.. im keeping it somehow in control now, still making progress in the gym and not just fking everything up. Hope i will win this addiction once again! Anyone going trough the battle, dont relapse it will take you back down to the world of emptiness and anxiety. Tomorrow is a new day and a new workout, wish me luck.

EDIT; If anyone has tips how to get that what if feeling from your mind id appreciate it, i fight with a strong adhd also so my life is constant dopamine hunting

Dude honestly try the NA thing, i know its annoying, but it has been the only option thus far that working for myself. Its uncomfortable but peoppe going through what you are helps. To listen and hear

 

[Djdj97]

Dude honestly try the NA thing, i know its annoying, but it has been the only option thus far that working for myself. Its uncomfortable but peoppe going through what you are helps. To listen and hear

Yeah, i actually did that on probation. Didnt get much out of it, but then again at that time i thought im normal and dont have any addiction. Maybe now being serious and understanding i have problems it would be different. Will actually give it a try right tomorrow! I have alot of friends who go there, so its not that bad of an anxiety for me to go. Thanks man, i think i needed this comment to understand i really cant do it alone or with the help of my "normal" girlfriend.
I gave away all my cocaine today so i dont have it here, all the times i relapsed was because i was selling and had it on hand or i came across it with the people i was with..love to you my friend.

 

[goonr]

In my experience coming off hard drugs only works if you're really at your lowest point, don't have money and are basically fucking dead already. A good rehab (6 months) + clean living environment for 2 years (with therapy) can help to stay clean, if you are really motivated. All the other shit where you tell yourself "i can do this alone, tomorrow i'm gonna do it for real" is a joke and a waste of time.

You either stop for real or you don't.

 

[jJjburton]

Yeah, i actually did that on probation. Didnt get much out of it, but then again at that time i thought im normal and dont have any addiction. Maybe now being serious and understanding i have problems it would be different. Will actually give it a try right tomorrow! I have alot of friends who go there, so its not that bad of an anxiety for me to go. Thanks man, i think i needed this comment to understand i really cant do it alone or with the help of my "normal" girlfriend.
I gave away all my cocaine today so i dont have it here, all the times i relapsed was because i was selling and had it on hand or i came across it with the people i was with..love to you my friend.

Really listen to suggestions they give, at this point for me its either sober, or die or end up crippled or mentally insane.

Every last use i OD, every stimulant i hallucinate for days. I have no moderation ability.

Going all on in this time, because litterally miserable every relapse.

I tried NA 5 times before but always came up with excuses to use. I truely working it now. Also all those people are doing it, and share the same experience as you. And they are successful everyday they stay sober.

You are not alone

 

[ChevChelios]

Steron forums are notoriously loaded with former outlaws and addicts. Many in the forums would say sterons and training saved their lives because they traded drug addiction with an addiction to fitness. It’s not ideal but it’s far better than the alternative.

This I agree at least in my case if it wasn’t for working out n sports I’d be in jail or still doin some fked up shit, imo exercise n salsa could be used to help out recovering addicts as ik so many people in the same boat