Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

Realistically, the war in Ukraine started in 2014 with a US state department coup/color revolution that installed most of the government in Ukraine today. The same ones that were paying hunter Biden and John Kerry.



After this coup in Ukraine the government installed by the US state department under none other than Joe Biden as vice president in charge of foreign policy expressed it's anti Russian sentiment very loudly, even banning Russian as use for one of the countries official languages.

The predominantly Russian speaking areas of Ukraine, like Crimea and the Donbas seen this government as hostile towards them and attempted to distance themselves from Kiev.

It's no wonder why





Crimea voted to succeed and annex to Russia by an overwhelming majority, Luhansk and Donestk had small but significant ukranian populations and civil war begins.

Russia took in tens of millions of refugees and the fighting went on for 8 years. Joe Biden was "installed" president and immediately began howling for Ukraine to join NATO. The civil war in Donbas escalated between the ethnic Russian people and the Azov battalion of Ukraine and Russia decided it had seen enough and decided to get involved.

You don't have to agree with Putin or care about Russia to understand that the US state department has plenty of blame in this, and that it's not a coincidence that the same corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden for years is the same one today we're sending trillions of dollars in cash and weapons to fight a war that's really only going to benifit a few very rich people.



Eventually,bathe predominantly ethnic Russian parts of Ukrain will succeed or be annexed by Russia and the western banks will loot what's left while keeping the Donbas and Russian border as volitile as possible as they probe continuously for weak points for eastward NATO/US empirical expansion.

This is obvious to any reasonable person who looks at the situation

 

[hometeam]

Realistically, the war in Ukraine started in 2014 with a US state department coup/color revolution that installed most of the government in Ukraine today. The same ones that were paying hunter Biden and John Kerry.

OK first of all 2014 was 8 years ago and President Zelensky was elected in 2019. Zelensky had nothing to do with 2014. Now, if you really want to understands Putin's rants and way of thinking you need parse through the lies about Nazis and understand that he really didn't like the 2014 election in Ukraine that put Poroshenko into power. He felt the West interfered in the 2014 Ukraine election and so he interfered in the 2016 US election.

That doesn't make him right, or rational. Ukrainian elections are much more fair than Russian ones, where in Russia you don't have freedom of speech or free press or neutral observers and voting for the wrong person might put you in jail.

And all this is just a distraction from the fact that Russia was never threatened or attacked. The war started when Russia invaded, and would immediately end if Russia went home. Ukraine was never a threat to Russia. No rant overcomes this.

You don't get to go on and on about past grievances that don't amount to war and expect people to think it's justified. You don't get to compare it to punching your neighbor in the face because he took a piss on your lawn (you would really do that?) and expect to confuse people into thinking the Ukrainians went into Russia and spat in their faces and pissed on them when they didn't do that. Or that war and invasion is the same as punching someone.

Putin thought it would be a 2 day conflict, Kiev would be toppled and he wouldn't have to justify it. Now that he's conscripting people he does have to justify it, and this is all he has. No one is buying it except for fanatics.

NATO and Ukraine can keep this up for years, they have the moral high ground. And two or 3 years from now no one in Russia will still be saying "we needed to do this because of some 2014 election that happened outside of our country."

 

[hometeam]

In one of the greatest missed opportunities in human history, the US had the chance to really do something special. The Russian people had dissolved the Soviet Union and were asking for our help to transfer from a Communist economy to a privatized economic system.

Instead of helping them, we put the boot on their necks, stuffed thier faces in the mud and picked thier pockets.

When we try to westernize Ukraine, Russia invades them and tries to take it over. They say it's a provocation and only Russia should have influence over their neighbors, not the West.

In what world would a Putin-led Russia, dictator for life and allied with oligarchs, accept Westernization in Russia? It's incompatible with his existence.

 

[Hughinn]

When we try to westernize Ukraine, Russia invades them and tries to take it over. They say it's a provocation and only Russia should have influence over their neighbors, not the West.

In what world would a Putin-led Russia, dictator for life and allied with oligarchs, accept Westernization in Russia? It's incompatible with his existence.

Hey cunt, what do you think the US would do if China overthrew the government of Mexico and started planning to move missiles onto the Texas border?

Would that be provocation?

 

[Hughinn]

OK first of all 2014 was 8 years ago and President Zelensky was elected in 2019. Zelensky had nothing to do with 2014. Now, if you really want to understands Putin's rants and way of thinking you need parse through the lies about Nazis and understand that he really didn't like the 2014 election in Ukraine that put Poroshenko into power. He felt the West interfered in the 2014 Ukraine election and so he interfered in the 2016 US election.

That doesn't make him right, or rational. Ukrainian elections are much more fair than Russian ones, where in Russia you don't have freedom of speech or free press or neutral observers and voting for the wrong person might put you in jail.

And all this is just a distraction from the fact that Russia was never threatened or attacked. The war started when Russia invaded, and would immediately end if Russia went home. Ukraine was never a threat to Russia. No rant overcomes this.

You don't get to go on and on about past grievances that don't amount to war and expect people to think it's justified. You don't get to compare it to punching your neighbor in the face because he took a piss on your lawn (you would really do that?) and expect to confuse people into thinking the Ukrainians went into Russia and spat in their faces and pissed on them when they didn't do that. Or that war and invasion is the same as punching someone.

Putin thought it would be a 2 day conflict, Kiev would be toppled and he wouldn't have to justify it. Now that he's conscripting people he does have to justify it, and this is all he has. No one is buying it except for fanatics.

NATO and Ukraine can keep this up for years, they have the moral high ground. And two or 3 years from now no one in Russia will still be saying "we needed to do this because of some 2014 election that happened outside of our country."

Zelensky is part of the US installed government in charge of Ukraine.
Just look at the photo ops with him and American actors and politicians.


Your a chickenshit.
Nobody is listening to you

 

[hometeam]

Hey cunt, what do you think the US would do if China overthrew the government of Mexico and started planning to move missiles onto the Texas border?

Would that be provocation?

That would be like saying there was a coup in the United States because Hillary Clinton would've been President if Russia didn't interfere. Some people actually believe that, but we didn't go to war over it.

When we say "coup" most people think something along the lines of when Kruschev was ousted by the KGB or when Russian tanks fired on their parliament building to try and topple Boris Yeltzin's opposition. That didn't happen in Ukraine in 2014. An election was held, maybe some outsiders influenced the voters, but more people voted for Poroshenko.

So you're using that as a weasel word to try and convey something that didn't happen.

Zelensky is part of the US installed government in charge of Ukraine.
Just look at the photo ops with him and American actors and politicians.

No. Zelensky actually was the opposition candidate and he beat Poroshenko with 73% of the votes in 2019. So they installed Poroshenko, and then installed his opposition? And of course he's been friendly with the West, Russia invaded and then annexed Crimea. That doesn't mean he was installed by them. What's so wrong about him posing and shaking hands with Americans? Is he supposed to be antagonistic toward them like Russia is?

Ukraine was never a threat to Russia. The US has never given them weapons that can reach Moscow. They didn't ask to be invaded, never attacked Russia, and the war ends the day Russia goes home.

Just because Putin is very angry about some of the things going on there doesn't justify an invasion and killing of 20,000 - 70,000 people. And you're not chickenshit just because you believe these perceived "insults" do not justify killing people. Putin thought he had this superpower military and the invasion would be bloodless, especially on his side, and now he has to double down because he can't lose. He still can't justify being a bully.

 

[hometeam]

started planning to move missiles onto the Texas border?

It was the US that actually convinced Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons. If the US wanted to give Ukraine missiles that could hit Moscow, they would have.

I actually think Ukraine should have that capability. If Moscow attacks them they should be able to hit targets in Moscow. But this has been purely a defensive war for Ukraine and they are not, never have been, a threat to Moscow.

 

[janoshik]

You probably don't know this, and it's no fault of your own really that you don't, but the Soviet Union was dissolved by the Russian people, not NATO, not the US. But the Russian people. That brand of Marxist authoritarian government created by Stalin and Lenin died because the Russian people rejected it.

Russians rejected and dissolved jack shit. It was everybody BUT the Russians, so they were left with no other option else they'd drown in blood. You are as clueless as it gets.

In one of the greatest missed opportunities in human history, the US had the chance to really do something special. The Russian people had dissolved the Soviet Union and were asking for our help to transfer from a Communist economy to a privatized economic system.

Instead of helping them, we put the boot on their necks, stuffed thier faces in the mud and picked thier pockets.

And everybody, despite not being obliged in the least, helped them a shitton. All the technology there is and half their GDP that was not dumb commodity export (that they extract with Western technology now) was Western money, you buffoon.

Did you know that during the looting of the former Soviet Union in the late 1990s the average life expectancy of Russian men went down almost 14 years? Can you think of the conditions that caused that?

Because retarded communists ran the country aground with military spending, corruption and ineptness to the point it collapsed beyond being capable of providing basic services. It's not that hard, you could've figured it out yourself with a bit of trying.

Then, mostly due to western investments they were able to start picking themselves up, only to run the country aground again at an overdrive, so one has to assume they are beyond redemption.

 

[Hightower]

This @hometeam is the type of person who believes he should be able to get in your face and spit in your eye and some kind of law or power outside of the two of you should punish you if you took his spit as provocation and punched him in the mouth.

The very premise behind that kind of thought and reasoning reeks of cowardice and complicity to any semblance of manhood, personal integrity or respect.

There's no way such a cunt could ever understand the type of world men live in where it's taken as despicable for you to go back on your word or not stand up for yourself when required. Or that's it's chickenshit to lie and connive.

This type of person is alien to man like yourself because he would suck the dick off a dead dog to get over on you or ahead in life.....IF...he thought nobody else would find out about it.

You're the type of person that would die before he'd succumb to such degradation and it wouldn't matter to you if nobody else in the world ever knew it except for you. Because you Knowing it is all that really matters and you'd die first.

I get that. I'm the same way.

@hometeam is not. He's a punk , a loathsome creature and we're just not going to understand each other

Wow, I did not think that everything is so bad in terms of its human quality. I hope that you are mistaken. But if he really is, then of course I can understand your indignation and the fact that you do not understand him.

 

[Hightower]

Zelensky is part of the US installed government in charge of Ukraine.
Just look at the photo ops with him and American actors and politicians.
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Your a chickenshit.
Nobody is listening to you View attachment 173155

I think this is the best role of this actor. And those who pay for his game are satisfied with the result.

 

[Hughinn]

Russians rejected and dissolved jack shit. It was everybody BUT the Russians, so they were left with no other option else they'd drown in blood. You are as clueless as it gets.

And everybody, despite not being obliged in the least, helped them a shitton. All the technology there is and half their GDP that was not dumb commodity export (that they extract with Western technology now) was Western money, you buffoon.


Because retarded communists ran the country aground with military spending, corruption and ineptness to the point it collapsed beyond being capable of providing basic services. It's not that hard, you could've figured it out yourself with a bit of trying.

Then, mostly due to western investments they were able to start picking themselves up, only to run the country aground again at an overdrive, so one has to assume they are beyond redemption.

You know, you're an ignorant motherfukker for sure. Aside from being a loudmouth belligerent, you're also very ill informed and completely clueless

Everything you said is parroted bullshit propoganda, and you just don't know any better



It wouldn't hurt you stupid fucks to read a book once in awhile. Put away the goddamn tranny porn and educate yourself before you say anything else continuing to make yourself look stupid

Amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Not-One-Inch-Post-Cold-Stalemate/dp/030025993X/ref=m_pd_aw_sbs_sccl_3/135-2981465-8291169?pd_rd_w=rB3IX&content-id=amzn1.sym.b4ca4d1e-3722-4b55-b27a-c4d131b668b6&pf_rd_p=b4ca4d1e-3722-4b55-b27a-c4d131b668b6&pf_rd_r=PWW54TGRFWCB9XBR7AH2&pd_rd_wg=ilsGR&pd_rd_r=bbc5276c-1b66-4999-8d00-9682048646c2&pd_rd_i=030025993X&psc=1

 

[janoshik]

You know, you're an ignorant motherfukker for sure. Aside from being a loudmouth belligerent, you're also very ill informed and completely clueless

Everything you said is parroted bullshit propoganda, and you just don't know any better



It wouldn't hurt you stupid fucks to read a book once in awhile. Put away the goddamn tranny porn and educate yourself before you say anything else continuing to make yourself look stupid

Amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Not-One-Inch-Post-Cold-Stalemate/dp/030025993X/ref=m_pd_aw_sbs_sccl_3/135-2981465-8291169?pd_rd_w=rB3IX&content-id=amzn1.sym.b4ca4d1e-3722-4b55-b27a-c4d131b668b6&pf_rd_p=b4ca4d1e-3722-4b55-b27a-c4d131b668b6&pf_rd_r=PWW54TGRFWCB9XBR7AH2&pd_rd_wg=ilsGR&pd_rd_r=bbc5276c-1b66-4999-8d00-9682048646c2&pd_rd_i=030025993X&psc=1

Stop projecting, stuff the book where it belongs, you armchair expert, and lets just tell us whether you've at the very least ever been in Eastern Europe once in your life. lol

 

[Big_paul]

Stop projecting, stuff the book where it belongs, you armchair expert, and lets just tell us whether you've at the very least ever been in Eastern Europe once in your life. lol

At one time you could have a civil conversation with him.

 

[Hughinn]

Stop projecting, stuff the book where it belongs, you armchair expert, and lets just tell us whether you've at the very least ever been in Eastern Europe once in your life. lol

In other words, you have no fuckin clue of what you're talking about, and you don't care to know. You just want to run your ignorant mouth standing for nothing but the sake of argument.

Thanks for confirming that

 

[hometeam]

In other words, you have no fuckin clue of what you're talking about, and you don't care to know. You just want to run your ignorant mouth standing for nothing but the sake of argument.

Thanks for confirming that

Einstein once said "if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it enough." Any time someone uses the argument "you're wrong because you don't understand it well enough - you have to study it more then you will see it" you know they don't have a leg to stand on.

The invasion of Ukraine isn't some super complicated, complex subject you really need to start buying books and pouring through articles for weeks to understand.

Ukraine wasn't a threat, doesn't have weapons that can reach Moscow, never threatened Russia, never asked to be attacked/invaded, and the war ends the day Russian troops go home. Putin thought it would be bloodless, he was wrong, and now he can't justify the blood but he can't give up either.

What you can do is read/watch selective materials and go down a rabbit hole that will warp your mind into thinking Ukraine is a Nazi-like state where Ukrainian elites are using neo-nazi thugs to rob the people, Russia is decisively winning a war started by the West, your tax money is being squandered, Ukraine is responsible for the Bucha massacre, Biden is a war criminal, the Kharkiv counteroffensive was actually a loss for the Ukrainians, etc. And I think that's what you're asking us to do.

 

[Hughinn]

Einstein once said "if you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it enough." Any time someone uses the argument "you're wrong because you don't understand it well enough - you have to study it more then you will see it" you know they don't have a leg to stand on.

The invasion of Ukraine isn't some super complicated, complex subject you really need to start buying books and pouring through articles for weeks to understand.

Ukraine wasn't a threat, doesn't have weapons that can reach Moscow, never threatened Russia, never asked to be attacked/invaded, and the war ends the day Russian troops go home. Putin thought it would be bloodless, he was wrong, and now he can't justify the blood but he can't give up either.

What you can do is read/watch selective materials and go down a rabbit hole that will warp your mind into thinking Ukraine is a Nazi-like state where Ukrainian elites are using neo-nazi thugs to rob the people, Russia is decisively winning a war started by the West, your tax money is being squandered, Ukraine is responsible for the Bucha massacre, Biden is a war criminal, the Kharkiv counteroffensive was actually a loss for the Ukrainians, etc. And I think that's what you're asking us to do.

You've got a really childish and ignorant way about you.
I guess that comes with the territory of being a chickenshit too.

It's not complex or complicated, you're just a perpetual sniveling cunt that looks at the world through the lens of a sniveling cunt.

I'll simplify it for you Einstein, in words even a a sniveling cunt could understand.

Ukraine is a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that has been bribing our politicians for years. It has an exceptionally corrupt regime full of conflicting powers and agendas. Neo Nazis included.
Our government even overthrew the Ukrainian government twice in 10 years to accommodate certain ogliarchs that bribed them. Including groups like Right sector and sveboda, real life Nazis.

It's also not a coincidence that the same corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden for five years by paying his crackhead son (among others) millions of dollars for a cushy no show job is the same corrupt ogliarchy now collecting trillions in cash and weapons from the same politicians it has been bribing all along

Russia, clearly and understandably to any rational person, our own foreign policy experts included, sees NATO expansion into this mess on its borders as a national security threat. Anybody who knows anything about the situation understands why, whether or not they agree. Especially ever since the after the coup of 2014 started a civil war in the Donbass and Ukraine tried to "remove" a large population of ethnic Russian people.

So Russia decided to prevent it at any cost.

Now, you don't have to agree with any of the decisions the Russian state made to understand their point.

I myself don't agree the invasion was warranted. But, I'm also not in charge of Russian national security. Putin and the Russian people are.

So although I disagree with the invasion, I do understand why they did it and why many Russian people support it when I look at the millions of refugees Russia had taken in during the civil war in Donbas between the Ukrainian Nazi militia and the ethnic Russian people.

My problem is that I don't want my country, and my leadership creating chaos and stirring up this shit to make themselves money during the human suffering they helped cause. I don't want my country to have any part in it at all and I don't care about either Russia or Ukraine. I care about my own country and it's participating in this mess it helped agitate


You're a cunt and a coward so I don't expect you to get any of that. So this is my last reply to a bitch ass, I have no respect for you kindly butt the fuck out.


And zelensky?
We'll, he'll likely get on the typical CIA retirement program the rest of our "helpful friends" eventually wind up on

 

[hometeam]

Ukraine is a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that has been bribing our politicians for years. Our government even overthrew the Ukrainian government twice in 10 years to accommodate certain ogliarchs that bribed them.

You know what? Mexico is a corrupt North American regime mostly run by cartels. It's cities are full of crime. Here's a list of the top 11 cities in the world by murder rate:

1	Tijuana​	Mexico​	2,367	1,763,197	134.24
2	Juárez​	Mexico​	1,522	1,455,923	104.54
3	Uruapan​	Mexico​	301	351,823	85.54
4	Irapuato​	Mexico​	723	895,515	80.74
5	Obregón​	Mexico​	281	348,154	80.72
6	Caracas​	Venezuela​	2,134	2,858,933	74.65
7	Acapulco​	Mexico​	600	837,914	71.61
8	Cape Town​	South Africa​	3,065	4,488,545	68.28
9	St. Louis​	United States​	194	300,576	64.54
10	Vitória da Conquista​	Brazil​	205	341,597	60.01
11	Baltimore​	United States​	348	593,490	58.64

List of cities by homicide rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We don't go beat our chest and say we're going to invade and change them because we're not cunts and cowards. You only cause more problems when you do that. We try to help them instead.

And this whole "coup" and "overthrow" talk... we didn't do that to Ukraine any more than Russia did that to us when Trump was elected instead of Clinton. An election was held much more fair than Russia's elections. You and Putin may be really, really angry that we have influence there but you just have to deal with it. That's the world we live in. Sanctions and ejecting diplomats is that appropriate response to that, not war.

Picking on Zelensky's corruption while ignoring Putin's would be hypocritical. Same goes for Biden's son getting a handout but ignoring that Jared Kushner was given $2 billion from the Saudis. It might make you angry but not murderous rampage you're a cunt and I'm a real man so I am going to destroy you angry. That's what bullies do. That's imperialism.

 

[Hightower]

Stop projecting, stuff the book where it belongs, you armchair expert, and lets just tell us whether you've at the very least ever been in Eastern Europe once in your life. lol

I will answer for myself, I was like that and regularly traveled for work and visited friends. Both in Russia and in Ukraine. Therefore, there is information, so to speak, from the participants in the conflict.

 

[Hughinn]

You know what? Mexico is a corrupt North American regime mostly run by cartels. It's cities are full of crime. Here's a list of the top 11 cities in the world by murder rate:

1	Tijuana​	Mexico​	2,367	1,763,197	134.24
2	Juárez​	Mexico​	1,522	1,455,923	104.54
3	Uruapan​	Mexico​	301	351,823	85.54
4	Irapuato​	Mexico​	723	895,515	80.74
5	Obregón​	Mexico​	281	348,154	80.72
6	Caracas​	Venezuela​	2,134	2,858,933	74.65
7	Acapulco​	Mexico​	600	837,914	71.61
8	Cape Town​	South Africa​	3,065	4,488,545	68.28
9	St. Louis​	United States​	194	300,576	64.54
10	Vitória da Conquista​	Brazil​	205	341,597	60.01
11	Baltimore​	United States​	348	593,490	58.64

List of cities by homicide rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We don't go beat our chest and say we're going to invade and change them because we're not cunts and cowards. You only cause more problems when you do that. We try to help them instead.

And this whole "coup" and "overthrow" talk... we didn't do that to Ukraine any more than Russia did that to us when Trump was elected instead of Clinton. An election was held much more fair than Russia's elections. You and Putin may be really, really angry that we have influence there but you just have to deal with it. That's the world we live in. Sanctions and ejecting diplomats is that appropriate response to that, not war.

Picking on Zelensky's corruption while ignoring Putin's would be hypocritical. Same goes for Biden's son getting a handout but ignoring that Jared Kushner was given $2 billion from the Saudis. It might make you angry but not murderous rampage you're a cunt and I'm a real man so I am going to destroy you angry. That's what bullies do. That's imperialism.

Once again you're howling in obnoxious ignorance.

The US state department absolutely DID overthrow the ukranian government twice in 10 years. They don't even deny it, they're proud of it.
It's literally listed on their . Gov pages as accomplishments. Organized riots and anti government movement using muscle of right sector and sveboda.

That's a whole lot different than Russia putting up a few Facebook ads.

You really need to educate yourself.

For the last time, you ignorant cunt.

It's not hard to understand why Russia would see NATO expansion into a state the US government had set up a puppet regime in as a threat. It's just logical.
The US state department has tried coups in Belarus at least twice, khazakistan, Syria and Iran. All Russian allies.

So it's completely understandable that they'd see US/NATO encroachment in Ukraine as a threat.

You don't have to agree with what they've done to understand that.

You're the type of suburban blue city cunt that thinker you should be able to spit in someone's face to without fear of getting your teeth knocked out.

But that's not how it works in the rest of the world, or even most of America outside your little blue bubble of sheep.

I live Louisiana and if you shit on a man's lawn and he run you off with a shotgun or knocked your teeth out , you calling the police would get you a ticket for trespassing and defacing his property and advice from the sheriff's office to stay away from that man for your own good.

That's how most of the world works outside blue cuntviille where people like you live behind walls in gated communities.

Irregardless, you don't have to agree with what Russia has done. I don't agree with it myself. I think they could have shut off the gas to Europe until an agreement was made instead.

But I do understand why they deemed a hostile ukranian government armed with nato missiles in the middle of a civil war against ethnic Russian ukranian people was a security threat to them.

It's not complicated if you don't have a cunt filtered vision

 

[Hughinn]

Besides, it confounds me how do many Americans are seemingly fine with our government running around all over the country world using shadow organizations like the CIA to investigate and agitate conflicts and wars for corporate interests.

I've got news for the blue check cunts here that cheer this type of thing on : when you have shadow agencies like the CIA and FBI (domestic version of the CIA) that go around doing this type of shit and are not accountable to your elected representatives, then you don't have a democracy.