Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

America has turned communist and every indication is that America is well on its way to becoming more communist. It is more communist than any of those communist countries ever were. All we are missing is scarcity. The difference is that our people won't wait patiently in breadlines: our people will start killing each other.

America tossed out the constitution long ago. If you think this is the country the founding father's intended, then you need to go back and reconsider.

It's impossible to trust any election numbers. We've probably never even had a real election (in the modern era atleast). States are always called well before the entire vote is counted and the result is almost always decided on election night. They don't care about the popular vote or voting at all because it is a democratic republic and the popular vote is more symbolic than decisive. That said, when the popular vote is so overwhelmingly strong for a candidate, it can't be rigged against the candidate so easily. That's probably why Trump won in 2016.

Trump won the 2020 election. The turnout was like nothing ever seen before. Trump filled every venue with thousands of people everywhere he went. We've never seen a bigger rockstar. Meanwhile, Joe Biden couldn't get anyone to attend his rallies. He had like 5-10 people who were paid to be there. Biden did not get that turnout. It's fiction.
How Biden won the election is still a mystery. More precisely, everyone understands how, but I prefer to pretend that it was legal.
 
No that's not why you're a commie, it's these statements you've made:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"

"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."


These are clearly the rantings of someone with strong communist beliefs bitter about the fall of communism and angry about capitalism coming to Eastern Europe. Well your leaders squandered every extra dollar they had on weapons for border expansion and threatening their rivals, as well as corruption within the Soviet party. The Soviet Union spent 15%-17% percent of their GDP on their military compared to the US 5%-6%.


Well here's how many total votes have been casted in every Presidential election since 1980:
1980: 85.1 million
1984: 92 million
1988: 90 million
1992: 103 million
1996: 94.7 million
2000: 101 million
2004: 121 million
2008: 129 million
2012: 129 million
2016: 129 million
2020: 153 million
If that's your evidence it's a bit weak. I guess the 1992 election and 2004 election was rigged too.

As for what people actually believe:
  • A January 2021 Morning Consult survey of 1,990 registered voters nationwide showed 65% responded that they believe the 2020 election was "free and fair." But when those results were broken down by party affiliation, only one-third of Republicans were in agreement with that statement. When asked what sources helped lead them to believe the election was fraudulent, a majority of Republicans cited former President Donald Trump, who has repeatedly claimed without evidence that his loss was not legitimate.
  • A December 2021 poll of 1,000 adults conducted by the University of Massachusetts Amherst and YouGov, found that 58% of all respondents believed Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election was legitimate. Only one-third of respondents said it was not legitimate. Of those who view the election as illegitimate, 83% named "fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden" as the reason for their belief.
  • Another December 2021 poll, this one conducted by the Washington Post and the University of Maryland, asked 1,101 adults: "Regardless of whom you supported in the 2020 election, do you think Joe Biden’s election as president was legitimate, or was he not legitimately elected?" Nearly 7 in 10 respondents said Biden was legitimately elected, while 29% said he was not.
  • A Quinnipiac University poll conducted one month after the November 2020 election found similar results. Six in 10 respondents said Biden’s win was legitimate, versus 34% who said it was not legitimate. A majority of respondents in the Quinnipiac poll also said they did not believe there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, whereas 38% said they did believe there was fraud.
  • When Quinnipiac conducted a second poll six months after the election, the number of respondents who believed the election to be legitimate increased to nearly two-thirds. Respondents who said the contest was illegitimate dropped to 29%.

Lmfao

Sticking true to your delusional and fanatically driven beliefs, not being developed by your own research and thoughts, but handed to you by the television, you've come to the conclusion that a man who calls out his own governments misdeeds and corruption, preaching for respect of personal liberty and choice and against censorship and use of military force and intimidation to spread the ideals of empire is a "commie".

And he must be. Because only a filthy "commie" would ask the question that what makes imperialist behavior different when the goals and results are the same, irregardless of the form of government empire uses for it's expansionist ideals?

Yeah, that makes someone a "commie"

Of you're a braindead member of a swarm.

Election?

Joe Biden by most accounts got 81 million ballots cast for him. Ost audits confirmed something like this.
Nobody has proven in any way, or even logical theory that Joe Biden got 81 million registered voters to vote for him.

The DNC cannot prove this. And they know it. So instead of attempting to explain it, they've banned any questions about it. Which leads to the numerous conspiracy theories surrounding thier bizzare actions. Because in the absence of transparency and irrefutable truth, theories tend to arise amongst populations that are denied proof of legitimacy by their leaders.

Only a braindead idiot would not understand where these people are coming from and why these theories gain traction in the presence of leadership who refuses to prove itself as competent and legitimate.


In this stark observation and reality, there is nothing to uphold as righteous and fair under the type of democracy we've already perverted beyond recognition.

Much less critique anyone else's system of governance they choose.

And by what right do you overthrow thier governments and institutions to prevent your own from having competition among the people?
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you've come to the conclusion that a man who calls out his own governments misdeeds and corruption, preaching for respect of personal liberty and choice and against censorship and use of military force and intimidation to spread the ideals of empire is a "commie".

And he must be. Because only a filthy "commie" would ask the question that what makes imperialist behavior different when the goals and results are the same, irregardless of the form of government empire uses for it's expansionist ideals?

Yeah, that makes someone a "commie"
Well maybe that's not how you truly feel, but as the thread goes on your comments get more and more extreme and you're sounding like a commie:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"


Seriously? Those aren't the words of a commie?

The homophobia thing too, that was real big in the Soviet Union and still today in Russia. In the US, where 70% of people support gay marriage now, you just come off as an asshole. What did they ever do to you?
 
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How Biden won the election is still a mystery. More precisely, everyone understands how, but I prefer to pretend that it was legal.
Well looking at the opinion polls it's no mystery:
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Biden had an average polling lead of 7.9 percentage points over Trump. Biden would win the national popular vote by 4.4 percentage points.

Now Trump has always claimed there's a certain amount of supporters he has who are ashamed to tell a pollster that because they don't want to seem racist, or sexist, or support his lunatic 3am angry tweets (that often end up filled with verifiable lies), his paying off of porn stars/prostitutes he had affairs with - he's just not someone many would be proud to support, but the real question is how did he do 3.5 points better than expected?

In his first campaign he would've easily lost if not for James Comey and the opening back up of Clinton's email investigation November surprise. He didn't have such a surprise in 2020.

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Well maybe that's not how you truly feel, but as the thread goes on your comments get more and more extreme and you're sounding like a commie:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"


Seriously? Those aren't the words of a commie?

The homophobia thing too, that was real big in the Soviet Union and still today in Russia. In the US, where 70% of people support gay marriage now, you just come off as an asshole. What did they ever do to you?


You're getting incoherent now.

One doesn't have to be a communist to point out the evils of a government. Irregardless of what type, or national origins it has.

On the other hand, cheering it on, even when it comes to war, simply because it's your hometeam makes you an idiot.
Because your own side is guilty of everything you've accused the other.

There is no "moral crusade" here where your "good guys" are fighting the "bad guys" because your government has not one single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine for Americans. This about money and globalist ambition of corrupt governments.

And you don't have to be a "commie" to see it.

You just have to not be an idiot and have some goddamn sense
 
Well looking at the opinion polls it's no mystery:
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Biden had an average polling lead of 7.9 percentage points over Trump. Biden would win the national popular vote by 4.4 percentage points.

Now Trump has always claimed there's a certain amount of supporters he has who are ashamed to tell a pollster that because they don't want to seem racist, or sexist, or support his lunatic 3am angry tweets (that often end up filled with verifiable lies), his paying off of porn stars/prostitutes he had affairs with - he's just not someone many would be proud to support, but the real question is how did he do 3.5 points better than expected?

In his first campaign he would've easily lost if not for James Comey and the opening back up of Clinton's email investigation November surprise. He didn't have such a surprise in 2020.

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Horseshit.

All of those same polls said Hillary Clinton was going to win in 2016.

They just believed thier own bullshit and forgot to cheat.

They didn't forget in 2020 and the entire world knows it.

Now the world is back at war and business as usual following a rare brief period of peace and prosperity because of "the most secure election in history"
 
You're getting incoherent now.

One doesn't have to be a communist to point out the evils of a government. Irregardless of what type, or national origins it has.

On the other hand, cheering it on, even when it comes to war, simply because it's your hometeam makes you an idiot.
Because your own side is guilty of everything you've accused the other.

There is no "moral crusade" here where your "good guys" are fighting the "bad guys" because your government has not one single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine for Americans. This about money and globalist ambition of corrupt governments.

And you don't have to be a "commie" to see it.

You just have to not be an idiot and have some goddamn sense
Was there a legitimate national security concern for Americans during WWII, or was it did you join for the greater good?
 
Was there a legitimate national security concern for Americans during WWII, or was it did you join for the greater good?
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, then also Guam and Wake Island, and the US base in the Phillippines. And an island in Alaska too, so they started it.

But apologists for military attacks and critics of the US Govt like @Hughinn would say the US started it by "provoking" Japan with restrictive trade on steel and oil embargoes so that the attack was totally justified. Japan was at war with China and other countries, the US cut off a lot of resources for that, and it's not like they do a lot of drilling and mining on an island.

Were they ever going to come to DC and make Roosevelt issue an unconditional surrender? No. They wanted trade negotiations out of it. And until then the majority of Americans felt we should stay out of WWII.
 
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All of those same polls said Hillary Clinton was going to win in 2016.
Yeah those polls were done before Comey announced they were reopening the FBIs Clinton investigation. And she still won the popular vote, but took a big dip no one had time to poll on.

But Trump does have a point that there's probably a certain amount of supporters he has who are ashamed to tell a pollster that because they don't want to seem racist (they send their rapists), or sexist (grab em by the p*ssy), or support his lunatic 3am angry tweets (that often end up filled with verifiable lies), his paying off of porn stars/prostitutes he had affairs with, etc. It's not a point he can really prove though.

But hey, if you can't prove the majority of people wanted Trump instead of Biden either with the votes or polls, or any proof a judge or jury would consider mass fraud, what do you really have? Just an unprovable thought in your head, a feeling. Go to New York City and ask if they have that feeling there.
 
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As long as there is no standardized voting process within this country, which in turn means no controlled process, there can be no secure elections.

The moment they decided to allow mass mailing of unsolicited mail-in ballots, 2020 became the most insecure election in the history of this country.

Once a ballot goes into the mail, there is no security from the time it leaves until the time it returns.

How do they know who received, completed, and submitted each ballot?

How do they know ballots weren't harvested?

How is it that so many dead people received and submitted ballots?

The only way to keep the vote secure is to have people show up in person to their assigned polling station and show ID.

Just as the republicans we're unable to ultimately prove that deception with the 2020 elections occurred, the democrats were not able to disprove that it happened.

Joe was accepted, eventually, after the msm, whittled away for months, claimed that it was ridiculous to believe the election was stolen.

Enough gaslighting and propaganda and most of the country will fall in line.
 
The moment they decided to allow mass mailing of unsolicited mail-in ballots, 2020 became the most insecure election in the history of this country.
Well I worked in covid units in Manhattan that year and watched hundreds of people die. Over a million people in this country have died of covid. And this was before the vaccines, before covid had mutated into something weaker... it was a time in winter we were in lockdown, covid was circulating big time and if you didn't allow mail in ballots you would have the blood of thousands of people on your hands.

Trump felt mail in ballots were a disadvantage to him because he was the "get back to normal life" candidate while Biden was the masks, lockdowns, and social distancing candidate.

But the stuff Trump did was inexcusable. He knew he was losing based on polls and called it a fraud before it even began. He set up a "command center" for denying the election at Willard Hotel who was going to come up with reasons to deny it no matter how smoothly it went. Tweeted so many verifiable lies that Twitter had to shut him down. Had Giuliani call a Georgia official to "find enough votes" to overturn the election results he's being prosecuted for today. Started a campaign to get electoral college voters to vote for him instead of who they represent voted for. Tried to get Vice President Pence not to certify the results. And then the January 6th attack on congress he incited.

All this after recounts in Georgia, Wisconsin, Iowa, New York, Alaska and elsewhere showed their results were fair and accurate.

William Barr, Trump's Attorney General, testified to the Jan 6th Committe that before resigning as attorney general, he had told president Trump that allegations of election fraud were "bullshit." At times during his testimony he could not control his laughter at the absurdity of some fraud allegations, such as the Italygate theory that satellites controlled from Italy had flipped votes from Trump to Biden, and that former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez had orchestrated an election fraud scheme, despite having died seven years earlier. Barr testified Trump never gave "an indication of interest in what the actual facts were," adding the president had "become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff."
 
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Well looking at the opinion polls it's no mystery:
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Biden had an average polling lead of 7.9 percentage points over Trump. Biden would win the national popular vote by 4.4 percentage points.

Now Trump has always claimed there's a certain amount of supporters he has who are ashamed to tell a pollster that because they don't want to seem racist, or sexist, or support his lunatic 3am angry tweets (that often end up filled with verifiable lies), his paying off of porn stars/prostitutes he had affairs with - he's just not someone many would be proud to support, but the real question is how did he do 3.5 points better than expected?

In his first campaign he would've easily lost if not for James Comey and the opening back up of Clinton's email investigation November surprise. He didn't have such a surprise in 2020.

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I saw this statistics, everyone saw it and everyone saw how the elections were held. Where were the violations?
 
You're getting incoherent now.

One doesn't have to be a communist to point out the evils of a government. Irregardless of what type, or national origins it has.

On the other hand, cheering it on, even when it comes to war, simply because it's your hometeam makes you an idiot.
Because your own side is guilty of everything you've accused the other.

There is no "moral crusade" here where your "good guys" are fighting the "bad guys" because your government has not one single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine for Americans. This about money and globalist ambition of corrupt governments.

And you don't have to be a "commie" to see it.

You just have to not be an idiot and have some goddamn sense
Everything you write is correct, I completely agree. Why do so many people not want to see it?
 
Horseshit.

All of those same polls said Hillary Clinton was going to win in 2016.

They just believed thier own bullshit and forgot to cheat.

They didn't forget in 2020 and the entire world knows it.

Now the world is back at war and business as usual following a rare brief period of peace and prosperity because of "the most secure election in history"
The world returned to war and the usual division of territories and spheres of influence.
 
Well I worked in covid units in Manhattan that year and watched hundreds of people die. Over a million people in this country have died of covid. And this was before the vaccines, before covid had mutated into something weaker... it was a time in winter we were in lockdown, covid was circulating big time and if you didn't allow mail in ballots you would have the blood of thousands of people on your hands.

Those patients were murdered by ventilators. And if you worked there, you know it. What was your specific job?
 
Trump felt mail in ballots were a disadvantage to him because he was the "get back to normal life" candidate while Biden was the masks, lockdowns, and social distancing candidate.
You are so full of shit. I hope they pay you well. This is obviously your full time job. If you are even real. Prove you are real and not a bot.
 
The world returned to war and the usual division of territories and spheres of influence.
That's from one point of view. Biden also ended the Afghanistan war and Trump expanded the War in Syria. It's not like one was a pacifist and the other a warmongerer. And let's not forget for the umpteenth time it was Russia who attacked/invaded Ukraine. Biden invaded/attacked no one.

Trump was definitely friendlier to Russia though, so much that his campaign chairman Manafort and deputy chairman Gates were indicted on charges related to their consultation work with pro-Russian political figures in Ukraine. So much that his son in law Kushner met with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary.

Those patients were murdered by ventilators. And if you worked there, you know it. What was your specific job?
Lol it's a bit more complicated than that. The ventilator murders nobody, people are put on ventilators every day for surgery, drug/alcohol poisoning, etc. Some people for one reason or another (spinal trauma, congenital issues, etc) end up on a ventilator for 30-40+ years - the rest of their life, maybe their whole life.

It is true that if you can keep pneumonia patients off the ventilator you get better outcomes though and it is true that we were skipping bipap (which sometimes can keep them off the ventilator) in those early months of March and April for infection control reasons (bipap tends to make the virus airborne). There's valid criticism there, but not enough to say the ventilators murdered all these people lol! Almost all of those people would've failed bipap anyway, their lungs were so bad.

I operate the ventilators for a living, as well as bipap etc. But that's getting pretty far off topic from the war in Ukraine, which some people here seem to oppose simply because they oppose Biden and anything he does, are upset about the election outcome.
 
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You are so full of shit. I hope they pay you well. This is obviously your full time job. If you are even real. Prove you are real and not a bot.
Responding to this in addition: the lefties and the media promoted the BLM riots and promoted protests and promoted every other gathering that suited them. You continue to rewrite history, but none of what you say is true. You're simply taking the leftist point of view and using leftist media/government propaganda, but it's......not the truth.

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Lol it's a bit more complicated than that. The ventilator murders nobody, people are put on ventilators every day for surgery, drug/alcohol poisoning, etc. Some people for one reason or another (spinal trauma, congenital issues, etc) end up on a ventilator for 30-40+ years - the rest of their life, maybe their whole life.

It is true that if you can keep pneumonia patients off the ventilator you get better outcomes though and it is true that we were skipping bipap (which sometimes can keep them off the ventilator) in those early months of March and April for infection control reasons (bipap tends to make the virus airborne). There's valid criticism there, but not enough to say the ventilators murdered all these people lol! Almost all of those people would've failed bipap anyway, their lungs were so bad.

I operate the ventilators for a living, as well as bipap etc. But that's getting pretty far off topic from the war in Ukraine, which some people here seem to oppose simply because they oppose Biden and anything he does, are upset about the election outcome.
Initially, covid-19 treatment protocols, despite being completely nonsensical, were followed due to fear. Anyone who continued participating in this mass treatment failure, after a week or two of chaos, should have abandoned the protocols. Anyone who continued using those treatment protocols, after realizing it was killing patients, is a murderer. But I agree, let's end the discussion here.
 
Responding to this in addition: the lefties and the media promoted the BLM riots and promoted protests and promoted every other gathering that suited them. You continue to rewrite history, but none of what you say is true. You're simply taking the leftist point of view and using leftist media/government propaganda, but it's......not the truth.
Well I can tell you for certain that in a city like NYC where you have crowded streets and subways, lockdowns were the only thing that controlled the spread of this virus.
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To force people to go to polling stations would have killed a lot of people.

Initially, covid-19 treatment protocols, despite being completely nonsensical, were followed due to fear. Anyone who continued participating in this mass treatment failure, after a week or two of chaos, should have abandoned the protocols. Anyone who continued using those treatment protocols, after realizing it was killing patients, is a murderer. But I agree, let's end the discussion here.
They were abandoned after about two months after studies showed it was safer than initially feared. Out of 160 I saw die in that period maybe a handful could've been saved if we tried bipap, but that's me guessing based on experience and expertise. You've got to remember this was a new, highly contagious virus spreading through the hospital like wildfire, and the policy came from the infection control department and they had sound reasoning. It's not like a court of law would hold anyone liable in a disaster setting like that. And it's not like everyone is going to quit over a policy some didn't agree with and just let the patients die of respiratory failure without getting any medical help lol! I did have a coworker who caught it at work and I watched him die.
 

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