Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

General Bakshi says 200k a few minutes into his video and the associated press said: "Ukraine had about 250,000 men and women in uniform before the war" here:

As Ukraine loses troops, how long can it keep up the fight?

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that Ukraine is losing 60 to 100 soldiers each day in combat.

apnews.com

The European Council on Foreign Relations said this "Putin’s wishful thinking about the power of the Russian military is reflected in his apparent expectation that it could conquer Ukraine with only 150,000 military personnel. This is significantly less than the 250,000 soldiers in the Ukrainian armed forces and far off the ratio of offensive to defence forces traditionally needed for a successful campaign – 3:1."

Lessons for the West: Russia’s military failures in Ukraine

Ukraine has proven that it can counter Russian military tactics and strategy. To continue to do so, the country will require greater support from the West.

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And there's other sources but the fact is you're wrong about that. And it says something about your character when you're quick to call someone a liar and pathetic though you're clearly wrong you just don't know what you're talking about and unwilling to learn.

"Unwilling to learn" says the ignorant chickenshit motherfukker that refuses to learn and understand the history involved with the conflict.

Look dumbfuxk, the sources in lots of places here are different, we all know that and have debated it endlessly already.

The fact remains that Ukraine has grossly outspent Russia, and heavily outnumbered them from the beginning. There's no argument there. I'm not wrong saying so, because that's the truth.

You argue about it because the facts contradict the horseshit you've been slinging. "Putin wants to rule Ukraine and take over the world"

And your bullshit about "well don't believe what the Russians say there motives are, just believe the bullshit CNN propoganda I post instead"

Except none of your ridiculous bullshit makes any sense.

If Russia wanted to "rule Ukraine" than any junior west point student can see their campaign was clearly not set up to do so.

And your lies and bullshit about "Putin wants to take over Europe and then the world and this is a real threat so he must be stopped at all costs". Is absolutely fuckin braindead stupid, because if he isn't even trying to obliterate Ukraine, then obviously he can't come close to "ruling all of Europe".

Italy stands a better chance of rebuilding the Roman empire than Russia does the Soviet Union.

And none of this shit is of any national security concern for American citizens.

It doesn't make sense for our government to fuel a senseless war when it's within their power to broker peace.

And you and that other childish idiot cheering this travesty on are part of the problem.

 

[Hughinn]

I don't understand why some people can cheer on this senseless war for profit and pretend like fuelling the fire instead of calling for peace is the right thing for that lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden to do.

The sleazy old liar literally collected bribes from corrupt ukranian ogliarchs and now some of you are cheering on the fueling of war and human suffering on behalf of those ogliarchs.

 

[Hughinn]

I'll also say it's sad to see these idiots like @hometeam , @Note5464 and @Michael Scally MD cheer on this game of lies and bullshit.

The problem is that our leading political parties (and the big media companies that have become subservient to them) are dominated by pro-war neocons on the Right and pro-war neo-liberals on the Left, all of whom are directly or indirectly making money or deriving political power from fighting wars that are actually terrible for our country and which undermine our security. I'm at a loss to know how to turn things around.

Sadly, it is hard to find a political home in America these days if you're anti-war. Only libertarians and *some* progressives seem to even care about ending the wars. And even worse, dumbfuxk people like those mentioned above actually support it

 

[hometeam]

And cocksuckers here cheering it on like petulant little children.

All for greed

And this is another thing you are absolutely wrong on. The UN voted 141-5 to condemn Russia's aggression:


So your view is part of the very small minority shared with just Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Belarus. Though there were some that didn't care enough to vote such as China, Cuba, India and Iran.

Over 40 countries have sent aid to Ukraine.

But someone outside of Russia who would say something so strong like "Putin was provoked and you guys are warmongering cocksuckers for supporting aid to Ukraine to defend themselves" is a very rare person, probably just a handful of people in the world and mostly with severe mental issues.

If morality is defined as what we believe as a culture, as a majority, what is right and wrong then you are absolutely wrong and who are you to try and force your beliefs on the other 97% of us?

 

[MR_Midas]

And cocksuckers here cheering it on like petulant little children.

All for greed

Unfortunately, you are right, everything is from greed, from megalomania and the lust for power.

 

[MR_Midas]

And this is another thing you are absolutely wrong on. The UN voted 141-5 to condemn Russia's aggression:

I kind of read that the UN did not issue an agenda for the discussion to recognize Russia as a terrorist country, in the end, what did they decide?

 

[hometeam]

I kind of read that the UN did not issue an agenda for the discussion to recognize Russia as a terrorist country, in the end, what did they decide?

Well they've had 2 main votes. This one was in March and was to comdemn Russia's aggression, call for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine. And in October they voted 143-5 to condemn Russia's "attempted illegal annexation" of 4 Ukrainian provinces.

In the second vote Eritrea abstained instead of voting against, and Nicaragua voted against instead of abstaining, so the number of 5 voting against remained the same. They also picked up surprise yes votes from from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Brazil. But they use these votes to see which countries stand where on issues.

 

[Hughinn]

And this is another thing you are absolutely wrong on. The UN voted 141-5 to condemn Russia's aggression:
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So your view is part of the very small minority shared with just Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Belarus. Though there were some that didn't care enough to vote such as China, Cuba, India and Iran.

Over 40 countries have sent aid to Ukraine.

But someone outside of Russia who would say something so strong like "Putin was provoked and you guys are warmongering cocksuckers for supporting aid to Ukraine to defend themselves" is a very rare person, probably just a handful of people in the world and mostly with severe mental issues.

If morality is defined as what we believe as a culture, as a majority, what is right and wrong then you are absolutely wrong and who are you to try and force your beliefs on the other 97% of us?

Look bud, you're argument is ridiculous.

You can't deny NATO expansion and aspirations of US empire have a part in this too.

And you're argument "well, my side is 'less wrong' because it was Russia who threw the first punch and lot's of other stupid people along with the greedy conniving bastards profiting from it agree" is just plain stupid.

I'm not a young man. So I can tell you this much.

"Nobody's right when everybody's wrong"

And that's just as true today as it was in the lies and warmongering that has led to most wars of this century.

So just cut the bullshit already. It's time to show some sense and practicality here. And if you're actually a generation x grown man, you're not doing that.

You're acting like a stupid petulant little girl cheering on GI Joe and believing this is about some kind of moral crusade.
So grow the fuck up

 

[Hughinn]

Unfortunately, you are right, everything is from greed, from megalomania and the lust for power.

And that holds for all sides my friend.

I just want my leadership to do the right thing for once

 

[hometeam]

Look bud, you're argument is ridiculous.

You can't deny NATO expansion and aspirations of US empire have a part in this too.

And you're argument "well, my side is 'less wrong' because it was Russia who threw the first punch and lot's of other stupid people along with the greedy conniving bastards profiting from it agree" is just plain stupid.

I'm not a young man. So I can tell you this much.

"Nobody's right when everybody's wrong"

And that's just as true today as it was in the lies and warmongering that has led to most wars of this century.

So just cut the bullshit already. It's time to show some sense and practicality here. And if you're actually a generation x grown man, you're not doing that.

You're acting like a stupid petulant little girl cheering on GI Joe and believing this is about some kind of moral crusade.
So grow the fuck up

Here's the problem: if you were asked to vote yes or no on condemning Russia's aggression and calling for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine you just couldn't vote yes. You probably couldn't abstain either. You just love the motherland and their values too much, have too much contempt for degenerative Western capitalism, liberalism and progressivism. And that puts you in alignment with only a few other countries, who happen to be the most despotic isolated countries on earth.

So when you say something like "Putin was provoked and you guys are warmongering cocksuckers for supporting aid to Ukraine to defend themselves" you have to realize how out of touch you are with the way the rest of world society sees it, right?

When you say Russia can provoke NATO by invading its neighbors but NATO can't provoke Russia by adding more member countries to it's treaty, or Biden is a cartoonish supervillain but Putin isn't a bad guy, or that what happened in 2014 with protests and riots (after Russia's puppet Yanukovych refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years and then violently cracked down on protesters) leading to impeachment was a "coup" but Putin's attempt to invade Kiev militarily wasn't you realize how ridiculous that makes you sound, right?

You're not merely seeing it from both sides you're seeing it from one side, and you picked the wrong side.

 

[MR_Midas]

And that holds for all sides my friend.

I just want my leadership to do the right thing for once

I would like it to be so everywhere, but money and power are above all for them.

 

[MR_Midas]

Well they've had 2 main votes. This one was in March and was to comdemn Russia's aggression, call for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine. And in October they voted 143-5 to condemn Russia's "attempted illegal annexation" of 4 Ukrainian provinces.

In the second vote Eritrea abstained instead of voting against, and Nicaragua voted against instead of abstaining, so the number of 5 voting against remained the same. They also picked up surprise yes votes from from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Brazil. But they use these votes to see which countries stand where on issues.

How I see the politics and games of the big guys. Apparently, Russia gives something in return for these votes, otherwise I don’t understand why they vote like that.

 

[hometeam]

How I see the politics and games of the big guys. Apparently, Russia gives something in return for these votes, otherwise I don’t understand why they vote like that.

Syria and North Korea has obvious reasons for supporting Russia, and Belarus has kind of a pro-Russian puppet dictator in charge. What Nicaragua and Eritria were thinking I'm not sure but neither voted no both times.

 

[MR_Midas]

Syria and North Korea has obvious reasons for supporting Russia, and Belarus has kind of a pro-Russian puppet dictator in charge. What Nicaragua and Eritria were thinking I'm not sure but neither voted no both times.

Yes, the first three have similar modes and speakers in place. And the African countries, I think some privileges were promised.

 

[Hughinn]

Yes, the first three have similar modes and speakers in place. And the African countries, I think some privileges were promised.

The US government is also giving shit for it's votes.

Not to mention the intimidation of voting against them and risk associated.

 

[Hughinn]

Here's the problem: if you were asked to vote yes or no on condemning Russia's aggression and calling for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine you just couldn't vote yes. You probably couldn't abstain either. You just love the motherland and their values too much, have too much contempt for degenerative Western capitalism, liberalism and progressivism. And that puts you in alignment with only a few other countries, who happen to be the most despotic isolated countries on earth.

So when you say something like "Putin was provoked and you guys are warmongering cocksuckers for supporting aid to Ukraine to defend themselves" you have to realize how out of touch you are with the way the rest of world society sees it, right?

When you say Russia can provoke NATO by invading its neighbors but NATO can't provoke Russia by adding more member countries to it's treaty, or Biden is a cartoonish supervillain but Putin isn't a bad guy, or that what happened in 2014 with protests and riots (after Russia's puppet Yanukovych refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years and then violently cracked down on protesters) leading to impeachment was a "coup" but Putin's attempt to invade Kiev militarily wasn't you realize how ridiculous that makes you sound, right?

You're not merely seeing it from both sides you're seeing it from one side, and you picked the wrong side.

Blah blah blah.

You're a goddamn idiot. You've proved it beyond any reasonable doubt

 

[hometeam]

Yes, the first three have similar modes and speakers in place. And the African countries, I think some privileges were promised.

I wonder what the Iranian people think about their government sending drones that end up smashing into Ukrainian civilian buildings. They haven't been willing to admit they're doing it either.

 

[MR_Midas]

I wonder what the Iranian people think about their government sending drones that end up smashing into Ukrainian civilian buildings. They haven't been willing to admit they're doing it either.

I think that no one asked them, and they will obviously be against the fact that their drones are killing people.

 

[MR_Midas]

The US government is also giving shit for it's votes.

Not to mention the intimidation of voting against them and risk associated.

I think it is now a lot where, when the government is separate from the people.

 

[Big_paul]

You can't deny NATO expansion and aspirations of US empire have a part in this too

Brother I will not deny that this world could have done better with the opportunity that the end of the cold war presented, but it seems that the only nations boardering the Russian federation who can expect a reasonable degree of security are nato nations.