Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

We may need some new material. Hardliners in Russia are talking about going after nazis in Poland next.

Actually Paul, I believe Poland has invaded Ukraine before.

But seriously, it's like I told that @hometeam idiot many months ago. It's easy to see where this is going.

Russia will take the Donbass and Crimea territories with support from the local ethnic Russian populations of those places and nobody can make them leave. Not even the awe powerful US military with all of NATO behind it.

Washington DC gets whatever parts Russia leaves and the Ukrainian people get the shaft.

That's the inevitable outcome.

The only question is how western media is going to sell this as some kind of heroic victory to the population they've indoctrinated. Or will they simply blame someone high profile who suddenly disappears never to be heard from again?

What do you think?
 
I think that Russia can't defeat Ukraine without using battlefield nuclear weapons, and when that becomes clear, they will use them.

I think history books would say we are already in ww3, but next winter there may be no more history books.
 
I think that Russia can't defeat Ukraine without using battlefield nuclear weapons, and when that becomes clear, they will use them.

I think history books would say we are already in ww3, but next winter there may be no more history books.

Really Paul?

Ukraine has no chance of winning.
They never really did.

Despite what our own propoganda networks are saying, Ukraine's NATO trained army is in it's last throws of existence.

Russia has destroyed most of Ukraine's infrastructure and capabilities already and although the US state department may try to revive the corpse, it's only going to prolong the inevitable.

Russia, my friend, is not Iraq or Libya.

They've got vast resources and advanced weapons just like we do.

Thier methods are different, but they're capabilities are still on par.

Washington DC may be more than happy to throw every Ukrainian willing into the meat grinder to benifit itself. But it's only a matter of time before reality sets in and they realize, they've been played.

The real tragedy here is that this didn't need to happen. Washington could have easily prevented this whole thing with simple low cost diplomacy and chose not to. And Ukraine will pay for that along with other NATO allies that will be facing civil unrest, economic downturns and growing poverty because Washington policies have prevented them from trading for inexpensive Russian energy.

It's possible this could mean the end of NATO. That's much more possible than any sort of regime change in Russia.

This was a straight up stupid move by Washington and the DNC.

Unless, they never meant to win this thing from the beginning and it was all just a money racket to consolidate control over domestic western government.

Otherwise, a responsible administration would have tried to broker peace, open up trade and bring prosperity to it's people. But that's just not how the Washington regime operates right now. The DNC/Washington DC establishment is headlong towards some type of Communism in it's domestic policy and until that changes, this is a doomed endeavor.

They're going to lose this thing Paul. No two ways about it my friend.

It was stupid to provoke it in the first place

It reminds me of this radical Washington outsider the DNC hated.
Donald Trump.
Who said something leftist democrat party people considered blasphemy.... what if we could simply just get along with Russia?

Trump said, Russia has massive energy reserves. He said they can't eat the oil and gas,they have to sell it. There's only so many people that can afford to buy it, we can get it without killing people. We can trade...we can do business....

Of course, that was blasphemy to the democrat party.
But it makes sense to rational people
 
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I think that Russia can't defeat Ukraine without using battlefield nuclear weapons, and when that becomes clear, they will use them.

I think history books would say we are already in ww3, but next winter there may be no more history books.
This thing was never going to stop at Ukraine .
Russia made it clear what it wants long time ago, they want Nato out of Poland ,Romania ,Bulgaria and the rest of the ex soviet nations .
If Russia takes Ukraine they will find excuse to attack Poland and Romania and that will cause a nuclear war.
If they cant take Ukraine and lose Crimea that will also cause a nuclear war .
What Nato wants its for the war to last in Ukraine so that Russia is busy and weakened to the point its regime collapses .
Russia will not stop at Ukraine history proves this.
Nato knows this very well and is preparing and thats why they are helping Ukraine as much as possible without causing a direct confrontation .
And lets make one thing clear Russia is the aggressor here they want to force they're ideologies on free and independent countries with force and with the threat of nuclear weapons and mass extinction .
I see some people try to push other narratives i think they are cowards that refuse to face reality .
 
Despite what our own propoganda networks are saying, Ukraine's NATO trained army is in it's last throws of existence.
Nato gdp 35T dollars, Russia 1.5T dollars. Who can afford to fight a conventional war? If this was the determining factor, I'd say you have your money on the wrong team. It won't go that far though.

A year ago I would have agreed with you.
 
This thing was never going to stop at Ukraine .
Russia made it clear what it wants long time ago, they want Nato out of Poland ,Romania ,Bulgaria and the rest of the ex soviet nations .
If Russia takes Ukraine they will find excuse to attack Poland and Romania and that will cause a nuclear war.
If they cant take Ukraine and lose Crimea that will also cause a nuclear war .
What Nato wants its for the war to last in Ukraine so that Russia is busy and weakened to the point its regime collapses .
Russia will not stop at Ukraine history proves this.
Nato knows this very well and is preparing and thats why they are helping Ukraine as much as possible without causing a direct confrontation .
And lets make one thing clear Russia is the aggressor here they want to force they're ideologies on free and independent countries with force and with the threat of nuclear weapons and mass extinction .
I see some people try to push other narratives i think they are cowards that refuse to face reality .
No argument from me.
 
Nato gdp 35T dollars, Russia 1.5T dollars. Who can afford to fight a conventional war? If this was the determining factor, I'd say you have your money on the wrong team. It won't go that far though.

A year ago I would have agreed with you.

No argument from me.

The thing is, you can print all of the paper money you want.

But that's not going to keep bellies full or asses warm. You need food and fuel for that.

Sure Paul, we could throw a lot of money around. But what is it going to buy?

We're not going to "drive Russia" out of the ethnic Russian parts of Ukraine. And even if we could, temporarily, what's the end result? Another Afghanistan?

Trying to convince people that hate us they'd be happier if men in lipstick could call themselves women?

There's literally nothing to gain here, in a war we cannot win, over a "prize," that holds no value to American people, or the Ukrainian people!!!

So what the fukkk?

Is Joe Bidens Ukrainian gas portfolio worth all of that to you, just because he's a democrat?

Really dude?
 
Lol. Is this even a part of the conversation?

I mean yeah.

After all, we did just spend 20 years in Afghanistan trying to convince people they needed a democracy and to fly the LGBTQ pride flag in Kabul.

We all see how that turned out.

Then we overthrow the ukranian government twice in 10 years because they kept electing people Washington didn't like. That triggers a civil war in Donbass that rages on for 8 years before it finally escalated to an invasion by Russia and you've got people like @GuerillaPete acting like this is some type of fairytale good vs evil marvel comic book movie against a cartoon supervillain bent on world domination.

When it's really just simple cause and effect
 
I mean yeah.

After all, we did just spend 20 years in Afghanistan trying to convince people they needed a democracy and to fly the LGBTQ pride flag in Kabul.

We all see how that turned out.

Then we overthrow the ukranian government twice in 10 years because they kept electing people Washington didn't like. That triggers a civil war in Donbass that rages on for 8 years before it finally escalated to an invasion by Russia and you've got people like @GuerillaPete acting like this is some type of fairytale good vs evil marvel comic book movie against a cartoon supervillain bent on world domination.

When it's really just simple cause and effect
Life always has its way of dealing with scum like you enjoy your karma and stop mentioning me here you are a low human that i don't wish to engage in conversation .
You can keep saying that those bastards that butchered all those innocent Ukrainian civilians are not evil those of us with half a brain know whats up.
We are talking execution in mass here.
You can find one thing to poke at with the gay movement wich is a very small part of democracy and one that we most could do without.
You think your views make you interesting typing away at your keyboard while children are getting bombed in Ukraine and left freezing in the winter you are something else .
 
Life always has its way of dealing with scum like you enjoy your karma and stop mentioning me here you are a low human that i don't wish to engage in conversation .
You can keep saying that those bastards that butchered all those innocent Ukrainian civilians are not evil those of us with half a brain know whats up.
We are talking execution in mass here.
You can find one thing to poke at with the gay movement wich is a very small part of democracy and one that we most could do without.
You think your views make you interesting typing away at your keyboard while children are getting bombed in Ukraine and left freezing in the winter you are something else .

You see, Ukraine has also committed the same type of atrocious events on ethnic Russian people in the Donbass.

I don't see one as better than the other and as an American I want my leadership to stop agitating war and causing this human suffering , and broker an immediate peace for everyone, instead of feeding, funding and supporting the killing and suffering for their own greedy aspirations.

Washington could easily stop this immediately if they wanted to. I want them to

Because as you pointed out, this is no fairytale.


View: https://youtu.be/DvXToSpOe_U
 
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Also gotta wonder how many of those stories Pete's all riled up over are BS propoganda?

Like the Ukrainian media officials who were caught making up bullshit and selling it

She acknowledged that she made things up to make Europe act and give weapons, when she saw that for example Italy was tired of Ukraine. "Just a week after her dismissal as the chief of Ukraine's rights panel, Denisova in an interview to a local Ukrainian publication admitted that she lied about the incidents of rape. She said that she "exaggerated" reports of sexual crimes by Russian soldiers on Ukrainian civilians in a bid to "convince the world to provide weapons and pressure on behalf of Kyiv's administration"



 
Romania denies it, but is this fake news?

George Santos proposes to Anna Paulina Luna. Best wishes.
 
Romania denies it, but is this fake news?

George Santos proposes to Anna Paulina Luna. Best wishes.

I heard that this morning.

I don't know if it's fake or not, but more to the point Paul, is that Russia has an arsenal of hypersonic ICBM missels that cannot be shot down or detected in time by missile defense systems.


So it's possible. But my question is, where did they land? Nobody has said that I know of.

I think it's time to be realistic and logical here. If Russia wanted to wipe Kyiv off the face of the earth, they could have done it already. And short of a worldwide apocalypse, there's nothing the mighty NATO or US military could do about it.

Now, I don't know why Washington has decided to provoke and feed this war. And I'm not sure why anybody would support it here in America. I really don't think many Americans do.

But I wonder why nobody seems interested in a diplomatic solution, which can be made easily, is not pursued in favor of a military solution which is impossible to ultimately win?

This is stupid. The whole thing is stupid.
This administration is beyond incompetent. It never should have gone this far.

You know Paul, at one time US foreign policy would have been that whatever administration got us eye to eye with Russia, over a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden, was corrupt, incompetent and dangerous.

And rightfully so
 
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