Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Zebedee]

I wonder is Putin as insane as Hitler? If Hitler could have ended civilization in April of 45 would he have? Does anyone think Putin will not take 8 billion people with him if he fails, and failure is much different in Russia than losing an election and having a few thousand imbeciles take a shit on capital hill?

No, because it’s not like he has a button on his desk which automatically launches Russia’s nukes with no other human involvement. There’s at least two known instances of Soviet personnel disobeying orders / procedure that should of seen them either launch nuclear weapons or attack an American warship during the Cold War, which had they followed orders / procedure would have almost certainly sparked WW3.

End of the day, humans aren’t robots & the vast majority have both loved ones & natural survival instincts.

 

[Big_paul]

No, because it’s not like he has a button on his desk which automatically launches Russia’s nukes with no other human involvement. There’s at least two known instances of Soviet personnel disobeying orders / procedure that should of seen them either launch nuclear weapons or attack an American warship during the Cold, which had they followed orders / procedure would have almost certainly sparked WW3.

End of the day, humans aren’t robots & the vast majority have both loved ones & natural survival instincts.

We had better hope so. Murder-suicide is not the solution.

 

[Zebedee]

Why are you repeating these mantras after I just educated you and you should know better? Didn't you read?

Because he’s firstly a closed minded fanatic obsessed by “liberals” & secondly he’s the epitome of the “American Idiot” that is incapable of viewing the world from anything but from an American perspective.

He knows very little of military matters, having almost certainly never served. He knows very little of contemporary European politics, culture or values & again, has almost certainly never been there.

Despite this, he is supremely confident that he is right & everyone who doesn’t share his views / politics / opinions is “a fucking idiot”, usually of the liberal / Democrat / “leftist” / socialist / etc camp & all for transgender purple-haired feminist & homosexual ideologies to be pushed on primary school children blah blah blah

I mean seriously, the guy has made thousands of posts across multiple BB’ing forums & 95% of them are him ranting about “liberals”. It’s a waste of time engaging with him IMO - although I must say you’ve made some cracking posts in this thread @hometeam

 

[Hughinn]

Because he’s firstly a closed minded fanatic obsessed by “liberals” & secondly he’s the epitome of the “American Idiot” that is incapable of viewing the world from anything but from an American perspective.

He knows very little of military matters, having almost certainly never served. He knows very little of contemporary European politics, culture or values & again, has almost certainly never been there.

Despite this, he is supremely confident that he is right & everyone who doesn’t share his views / politics / opinions is “a fucking idiot”, usually of the liberal / Democrat / “leftist” / socialist / etc camp & all for transgender purple-haired feminist & homosexual ideologies to be pushed on primary school children blah blah blah

I mean seriously, the guy has made thousands of posts across multiple BB’ing forums & 95% of them are him ranting about “liberals”. It’s a waste of time engaging with him IMO - although I must say you’ve made some cracking posts in this thread @hometeam

Because you're a fukkin idiot, just like he is with a group think type of mentality that has no basis in reality.

You talk about European politics, and you don't know shit about it, or even American politics.

God forbid you stupid bastards turn off MSNBC and read a goddamn book once in awhile.
You idiots live in a fuckin fairytale.

Nobody is trying to "save the world" by supporting the war in Ukraine.

And everytime this shit happens, and stupid people like you and @hometeam start this same type of bullshit about "saving democracy" and "bringing freedom to oppressed people" it always winds up the same way and everyone eventually figures out it was all a lie.

Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Yugoslavia etc, etc, etc

COVID bullshit, vaccine lies, Russian collusion lies, etc.

Men can be women, the police are all racist and the pharmaceutical companies that make billions of of sickness want to "cure you", the media wouldn't lie or mislead you and the democrat party really cares about you. But everyone else is "conspiracy theorists" lmfao


And you ignorant fuks just move on to the next shiny object

 

[Zebedee]

You talk about European politics, and you don't know shit about it, or even American politics.

God forbid you stupid bastards turn off MSNBC and read a goddamn book once in awhile.
You idiots live in a fuckin fairytale.

You know when I said you’re incapable of seeing things from anything but an American perspective?

Well that’s a Union Jack in my avatar & we don’t have MSNBC in Britain, you dumb cunt.

By the way, it may surprise you that Britain is in Europe lol, so yeah, I am familiar with European politics. You clearly aren’t though - you think the likes of Poland are “liberal” lol?

But yeah …. You keep on with your monologues mate. Well done for bringing up the usual totally irrelevant right-wing rants about covid, transgender etc - straight out the MAGA handbook & sooooo predictable. You lose a point for not mentioning purple-haired feminists though.

Ps: as you haven’t corrected me in your little rant, I’m taking it’s a given that you’ve neither served nor ever visited Europe. I guess I’ve got you more dialled in than you have me eh?

Ps 2: have you even ever set foot outside the US? I’m guessing no …. But still you know best eh?

Twat

 

[Hughinn]

You know when I said you’re incapable of seeing things from anything but an American perspective?

Well that’s a Union Jack in my avatar & we don’t have MSNBC in Britain, you dumb cunt.

By the way, it may surprise you that Britain is in Europe lol, so yeah, I am familiar with European politics. You clearly aren’t though - you think the likes of Poland are “liberal” lol?

But yeah …. You keep on with your monologues mate. Well done for bringing up the usual totally irrelevant right-wing rants about covid, transgender etc - straight out the MAGA handbook & sooooo predictable. You lose a point for not mentioning purple-haired feminists though.

Ps: as you haven’t corrected me in your little rant, I’m taking it’s a given that you’ve neither served nor ever visited Europe. I guess I’ve got you more dialled in than you have me eh?

Ps 2: have you even ever set foot outside the US? I’m guessing no …. But still you know best eh?

Twat

What the fuck does any American care about what British people say?

The last thing anyone here wants to do is follow Britain.

Should have shunned you instigating pricks a long time ago

 

[Hughinn]

Whether you're intelligent enough to understand it or not, there's a conflict going on between:
1. free democratic leaders like Biden, Rishi Sunak of the UK, Emmanuel Macron of France, Olaf Scholz of Germany etc
and
2. despotic authoritarian dictators like Putin, Bashar al-Assad, Kim Jong Il, Ayatollah Khomeini, Alexander Lukashenko.

Bullshit.
This conflict is between the globalist corporate interests and empirical aspirations of Washington DC and the few remaining independent nation states of the world not wishing to take part in the one world government utopian "heaven on earth" bullshit pushed by the powers that be in the Washington beltway

Your bullshit catch slogans and propoganda snippets like "free democratic" and "despotic authoritarian" are meaningless parroting of propoganda

Ukraine is the centerpiece of this conflict. Putin and his band of dictators doesn't want a Western democratic Ukraine on his border.

Fuckin duh you idiot.

Russia has said themselves for 20 years they would not accept a hostile ukranian regime armed and/or supported by NATO on its borders.

That's called a security dilemma

Russians haven't had democracy in their 1000 year history, have no idea what it is, and once they see it in ukraine they might want that for themselves. Europe wants Ukraine as a European brother.

That's a big assumption. Maybe you should let the Russian people decide how they want to be ruled?

You don't have anymore of a divine right to push your ideology all over the world than anybody else.

So maybe just butt the fuck out and stop agitating this type of shit for political gains?

Stubb outlines it here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfqeApORYhY

Stubb is a globalist fanatic pushing for a one world government.

Stubb is a typical western elite who thinks it's acceptable to force all of the worlds diverse people under one form of government. One that people like he can control and manipulate completely while giving enough arbitrary freedom to keep the population more or less calm.

That's called an imperialist. And that's why most of the world is desperate to protect themselves from people in Washington DC, like stubb.

But we know you hate democracy, you like dictators.

I don't see a difference as long as the people are content and believe in their own nation.

I don't see where your ignorant wretched cowardly ass gets off thinking you get to decide how the rest of the world lives based solely of what you think served you the best.

For someone who claims to be an American, you sure know very little about recent American history other that what they say on RT TV in Russia. Afghanistan was about al-Qaeda and 9-11.

Lmfao
Al Qaeda was the child of the muhadeen. A group created by the CIA.

Obama himself worked with Al Qaeda in Syria in a coup attempt against Assad.

You should read a book once in awhile instead of just parroting BS propoganda

The Taliban was a sideshow

Lmfao
We were told by stupid people like you for 20 years that the Taliban was so oppressive and evil that we had to do whatever it takes and stay as long as possible to "liberate the Afghan women and LGBT" from the evil Taliban.

Twenty years, hundreds of thousands of lives taken, trillions of dollars spent and for what?

To replace the Taliban with.....the Taliban?

To destroy Al Qaeda? Did that happen as we paid them to stir up war in Syria? Where are they now?

You sound so stupid.

, they were harboring al-Qaeda.

Barak Obama harbored Al Qaeda in Syria.

And you sure seem to like autocratic regimes and want to see gay people oppressed, for someone who claims to be American.

Our own regime in America is more or less autocratic.

Gay people are not oppressed here.

Oh please. Putin has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan. He's running out of neighbors to invade!

Washington has more soldiers all over the world than Russia, China and India put together. So what?

Nobody on earth today has invaded more countries than the US government.

These are all the countries the USA has invaded, in one map

From Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, the US has had a military presence across the world, from almost day one of her independence.What constitutes invasion? As one map below shows, the US has a military presence in much of the world without being an occupying force (though some would dispute...

www.indy100.com

NATO, on the other hand, is stronger than it's ever been. NATO falling apart is just some Russian fantasy. The more Putin threatens his neighbors, the more they want to band together, the more they beg for Western security assistance. NATO didn't expand Eastward... nobody asked these Eastern European countries like Poland, Bulgaria or Estonia to join NATO. They begged NATO to join, if Russia was your neighbor you would too. These Eastern European countries came to the West, not the other way around.

Lmfao

Once NATO loses in Ukraine, these other countries are going to wonder what the purpose of NATO is and why be in it.

Since the US stabbed them in the back, ruined thier economies and then hung the Ukrainian people out to dry, why keep paying them.

If NATO does survive this, it will be greatly diminished.

"To be an adversary of Washington is dangerous, to be an ally however is deadly" - Henry Kissinger

Washington DC is running out of allies because people who take it upon themselves to rule over everybody taking whatever they want and ordering them around never have any friends. At least not any that they can trust, nor even one that could trust them.

Just as @Zebedee how that worked out for the British empire.

 

[Hughinn]

‘Al Qaeda is on our side’: how Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria | MR Online

Hours after the Feb. 3 U.S. military raid in northern Syria that left the leader of ISIS and multiple family members dead, President Biden delivered a triumphant White House address.

mronline.org

 

[Hughinn]

In 2014 Putin's puppet Yanukovych was overthrown in Ukraine. He refused to sign an EU association agreement he had promised for years. He had said he was going to sign the EU agreement, but after a trip to Moscow he changed his mind.

More bullshit lies from you.
Ukraine had been playing both sides prior to the 2014 coup and yanuk was faced with an imf/eu deal that was simply unacceptable for Ukraine

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Yanukovych Says Kyiv Will Wait For Better EU Deal
November 26, 2013 08:54 GMT
UPDATED November 26, 2013 11:20 GMT
By RFE/RL
Students from different educational institutions shout slogans during their march in Kyiv on November 26.
Students from different educational institutions shout slogans during their march in Kyiv on November 26.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych said financial terms offered by the European Union to convince him to close a key political and trade deal with the bloc had been humiliating and that he would wait for improved conditions before agreeing on anything.

Yanukovych made the statement in a televised interview as thousands of pro-EU Ukrainians continued to stage mass demonstrations in Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities urging the government to sign an Association Agreement with the EU.

"Yanukovych said the EU for the past three years had demanded Ukraine sign a loan agreement with the International Monetary Fund in exchange for EU technical assistance worth 610 million euros. Yanukovych said the IMF told Ukraine it would have to raise taxes for the population and freeze salaries and pensions.

Yanukovych said, "We don't have to be humiliated like this. We are a serious, European country." He added, "As soon as we agree on normal conditions, then we will talk about signing."

Yanuk was simply trying to get the best deal he could without screwing over the Ukrainian people. Something Washington never cared about.

Yanukovych Says EU Deal 'Humiliating'

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych said financial terms offered by the European Union to convince him to close a key political and trade deal with the bloc had been humiliating, and that he would wait for improved conditions before agreeing on anything.

www.rferl.org

Clearly a Ukrainian domestic issue where the US decided to intervene directly in the Ukrainian government political process instead of make a good faith effort to join their side.

The President of Lithuania said she spoke with him eye to eye and he said he was under some kind of pressure personally. Radosław Sikorski of Poland says that the EU was offering billions in assistance for the country over time, wrapped up in procedures, but Putin offered trucks of cash money into Yanukovych's personal account the next day.

This is all lies. You have nothing but propoganda to back any of that up.

Fact is, at the time Ukraine had a good trading relationship with Russia and did not want to lose it.

That's called diplomacy and decisions.

It was the US deciding to run a coup that changed everything and halted diplomacy

Now, he was elected in Ukraine with this agreement as a centerpiece of his policy. Ukraine and the EU had been working on it for 5 years, and people in Kiev were in the streets holding signs saying "Ukraine is part of Europe,"

then Yanukovych ordered the Berkut police to fire on them. You can see footage of that here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzI9V3WSnc

Again, you have nothing to back any of that except for propoganda.

Fact is the US state department started, funded and organized the political violence and the evidence shows the sniper fire came from buildings occupied by the protesters.

I've already shown you this and your stupid azz article of an investigation of three people killed means nothing to the hundreds of eyewitness accounts that state clearly where the shots came from .

Stop your lying

Parliament pressured Yanukoych to resign, he said he would, but then he disappeared. Video shows him hopping into a helicopter. Putin says his special forces picked Yanukovych up in Crimea, took him to Russia. Ukraine's congress impeached him while he was away in Russia for abandoning his position. He still lives there today. Every other candidate for President in the last 20 years (Yuschenko, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zalensky) has been pro-West. Putin's people have talked about having him run the Donbas.

All subsequent government in Ukraine eliminated the votes of ethnic Russian people in the east and south.

And with Washington calling the shots for candidates (which they were) why in the fuck would that surprise you?

This was a Washington DC satellite puppet regime.

Was this part of a "coup"? I hope so, because it's clear Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state to Putin.

More lies.

The Crimean and Donbass people obviously don't agree

The Russians poisoned his opposition (President Yuschenko) in 2004. No one tried to kill Yanukovych like the Russians tried to kill Yuschenko... that's a real coup. Yanukovych was just run out of town by an angry mob, fled to Russia and didn't return. It's no reason for Russia to start recruiting and arming militias along their border trying to start a revolution of their own, and no reason to annex Ukrainian territory.

More lies you can't back up

When Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, Ukraine actually had it written that they were a neutral country into their constitution. They removed it afterwards but who can blame them? And when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 accepting them unto NATO wasn't even on the table at NATO. If it ever happened it wouldn't be happening for years. All this instability in Ukraine from 2014 on was a result of Russia recruiting, arming, training and giving pay checks to separatist militias in the Donbas trying to create a rebellion and revolution. Giving them rockets and armored vehicles, shooting down Malaysian airlines flight 17 killing 300 passengers. Here's a documentary on the DRP:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woD44CsR4jg

More lies and bullshit propoganda.

The war didn't start in 2022 with the Russian invasion. That was an escalation of a war that started in 2014 by a US state department coup that overthrew an elected ukranian government and installed the current pro Washington regime

Edward Snowden and Julian assange will die as fugitives from the Washington cartel for no other reason than they exposed the lies of our government and it's real role in the ukranian drama.

Just so stupid people like you can parrot the lies and pretend like any of it makes sense

Our role in this whole thing is sick and shameful. We overthrew the Ukrainian government, replaced it with a puppet, then used them to pick a fight with Russia, and sabotaged their attempts to make peace All along.

All after Biden’s son was full-on caught taking bribes from their oligarchs. Sick.

Even sicker is idiots like you howling in approval at it all.

 

[BawlsDeep]

i was gonna read some more of this thread, but then i remembered that i only have one life to live.

 

[hometeam]

Bullshit.
This conflict is between the globalist corporate interests and empirical aspirations of Washington DC and the few remaining independent nation states of the world not wishing to take part in the one world government utopian "heaven on earth" bullshit pushed by the powers that be in the Washington beltway

Your bullshit catch slogans and propoganda snippets like "free democratic" and "despotic authoritarian" are meaningless parroting of propoganda

You would have a point if there was one democratically elected leader who supports Russia. Instead we have Ayatollah Khomeini sending them drones, Kim Jong Il sending them artillery shells and Lukashenko allowing Russian soldiers to stage attacks from Belarus. Ever wonder why Putin gets so mad when Milosevic, Hussein, Gaddafi etc are overthrown? Why he sent his troops to keep Bashar al-Assad in power? He is supporting and promoting an oppressive form of government that doesn't work in today's world.

Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain had established rapport with Putin in the Sochi Olympics, so afterwards he invited Putin to London to talk about Syria. In London Putin told Cameron "I know you're a great people with great history. Highly educated. I know you see me as not very democratic, that I have teeth and claws. I won't argue with that." Then he went on about Abu Ghraib and the kind of atrocities that would need to happen in Syria to keep order there. His point was that the British wouldn't be up to the task.

The average salary in St Petersburg is 122,000 rubles a month, or about $1600 dollars/month. That's Russia's best city. Take a 3 hour drive to Finland from there and the average worker makes double that. What's the difference? An inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy. And now they are trying to force that on Ukraine.

Fact is the US state department started, funded and organized the political violence and the evidence shows the sniper fire came from buildings occupied by the protesters.

I've already shown you this and your stupid azz article of an investigation of three people killed means nothing to the hundreds of eyewitness accounts that state clearly where the shots came from .

We know for a fact that the Berkut fired on those protesters, that they were loyal to Yanukovich, and we know for a fact that the Russiam FSB was there was day not the CIA. This isn't even debated. They've been tried in court and released to Russia in prisoner exchanges. It was clear Yanukovich had to go after that, he said he would resign, and then he left the country and didn't return. Putin's special forces picked him up and took him to Russia. You have still yet to say exactly what the US did here. This EU association agreement Yanukovich promised was indeed important enough to Ukrainians in Kiev to spark protests and it was the centerpiece of Yanukovich's campaign that he ran on.

Court releases former Berkut officers charged with EuroMaidan killings - Dec. 28, 2019

The Kyiv Court of Appeal on Dec. 28 released from custody five former police officers of the now… - Dec. 28, 2019. By Kostyantyn Chernichkin

archive.kyivpost.com

Berkut officers who attacked protesters during EuroMaidan given first ever prison sentences

A Kyiv court on June 14 handed down the first ever prison sentence to former members of the Berkut special riot… - Jun. 14, 2021. By Anastasiia Lapatina

www.kyivpost.com

The US didn't recruit, arm and pay separatist militias in Ukraine like Russia did starting in 2014. I don't know where you get off condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia has done and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_2y6MTPAg

 

[Hughinn]

This whole thing is just a damn shame.

The Ukrainian people are the real losers here, and it's because of Joe Biden.

The corruption, the lies, the manipulation. The pretending like this is some kind of spontaneous event that just happened and the "good guys" are supposed to step up and "save the world" is just fuckin pathetic.

Washington has spent hundreds of thousands of lives of innocent people just to enrich itself and propagate it's plans to own the world.

Useful f-n idiots like @hometeam can cheer this bullshit on, just like they did in Iraq when they pretended like weapons of mass destruction was the issue, or in Afghanistan when they pretended like the Taliban just had to be beaten in order for the world to keep on turning.

But the truth is that this is about empire. Exploitation and subjection.

This is about Washington controlling Ukrainian energy resources instead of the Ukrainian people themselves, or even worse... Russia.

And that's it.

That goddamn idiot @hometeam talking about "democracy, freedom and liberty" is just a dumbass bitch that sucked the blue Kool aid cock.

This is about Washington making itself richer and creating itself opportunity to expand thier empire.

And that's it

 

[hometeam]

But the truth is that this is about empire. Exploitation and subjection.

This is about Washington controlling Ukrainian energy resources instead of the Ukrainian people themselves, or even worse... Russia.

Ukraine has a GDP of $150 billion on a good year such as 2019 ($90 billion in 2015) and the US has a GDP of $21 trillion. Their economy isn't even 1% of the US economy. This isn't about getting rich. We have spent more in Ukraine sending them aid than we would ever make in taxes even if we made them the 51st state, which we all know isn't our intention and we know is Russia's intention.

So again it's you condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. We're not orcs. We don't add territory. We respect people's borders, just not always their dictators. Ukraine has been begging the West to invest in their country and turn a profit for many years. They don't want to be like St Petersburg where they have an inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy and make about half the money their neighbors in Finland do 3 hours away.

 

[Hughinn]

You would have a point if there was one democratically elected leader who supports Russia. Instead we have Ayatollah Khomeini sending them drones, Kim Jong Il sending them artillery shells and Lukashenko allowing Russian soldiers to stage attacks from Belarus. Ever wonder why Putin gets so mad when Milosevic, Hussein, Gaddafi etc are overthrown? Why he sent his troops to keep Bashar al-Assad in power? He is supporting and promoting an oppressive form of government that doesn't work in today's world.

In other words, you think violence and war is justified as long as it fits into your ideological idea of governance.

Because Washington DC is an oppressive government. And it certainly isn't working in "today's world" whatever the fuck that means outside a pansy ass nurses liberal blue bubble.

Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain had established rapport with Putin in the Sochi Olympics, so afterwards he invited Putin to London to talk about Syria. In London Putin told Cameron "I know you're a great people with great history. Highly educated. I know you see me as not very democratic, that I have teeth and claws. I won't argue with that." Then he went on about Abu Ghraib and the kind of atrocities that would need to happen in Syria to keep order there. His point was that the British wouldn't be up to the task.

Lmfao.
You're so stupid and poorly informed.

The Obama administration created a nest of terrorist's and cutthroats in Syria by siding with Al Qaeda to overthrow Assad.

This was a problem for everyone. That's what Putin is talking about.

But you're a stupid bitch that doesn't know anything except how to parrot establishment propoganda

The average salary in St Petersburg is 122,000 rubles a month, or about $1600 dollars/month. That's Russia's best city. Take a 3 hour drive to Finland from there and the average worker makes double that. What's the difference? An inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy. And now they are trying to force that on Ukraine.

Lmfao. What an ignorant POS.

Who cares how much money you make when the money itself has no value?

A comfortable salary in East Texas for example would have a family starving to death in a liberal bastion of bliss like new York city or California.

It's a matrix with no real measure of quality of life.

Millions of people go hungry every day in blue California. The richest state in America.

So fukk your stupid propoganda pieces that have no bearing on human existence

We know for a fact that the Berkut fired on those protesters,

Utter horseshit.

Completely horseshit.

Those shot's indisputably came from maidan controlled buildings. Hundreds of eyewitness accounts confirmed this.

Stop the bullshit

that they were loyal to Yanukovich, and we know for a fact that the Russiam FSB was there was day not the CIA.

You're a fukkin idiot for sure.

But nobody disputes the CIA was there from the beginning and is still there today.

Stop the stupid senseless lies and bullshit already

This isn't even debated. They've been tried in court and released to Russia in prisoner exchanges. It was clear Yanukovich had to go after that, he said he would resign, and then he left the country and didn't return. Putin's special forces picked him up and took him to Russia. You have still yet to say exactly what the US did here. This EU association agreement Yanukovich promised was indeed important enough to Ukrainians in Kiev to spark protests and it was the centerpiece of Yanukovich's campaign that he ran on.

Edward Snowden and Julian assange are both fugitives from the Washington DC Cartel as well.

What is their crimes?

And tell me this you sack of excrement: what was zekensky's centerpiece?

Ending the civil war in Donbass
Making peace with Russia
Exposing Ukrainian ogliarchy corruption

Did he do any of that, or did the bribes just change?

Court releases former Berkut officers charged with EuroMaidan killings - Dec. 28, 2019

The Kyiv Court of Appeal on Dec. 28 released from custody five former police officers of the now… - Dec. 28, 2019. By Kostyantyn Chernichkin

archive.kyivpost.com

Berkut officers who attacked protesters during EuroMaidan given first ever prison sentences

A Kyiv court on June 14 handed down the first ever prison sentence to former members of the Berkut special riot… - Jun. 14, 2021. By Anastasiia Lapatina

www.kyivpost.com

The US didn't recruit, arm and pay separatist militias in Ukraine like Russia did

Yes, Washington in fact did arm, train and recruit neo Nazi militia yin Ukraine to fuel the civil war Washington started in the Donbass

starting in 2014. I don't know where you get off condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia has done and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_2y6MTPAg

What a stupid bitch.

Washington did all of those things you accused Russia of doing

How the West Sowed the Seeds of War in Ukraine

Putin invaded Ukraine. But an alliance of bad actors, the U.S. foreign policy establishment, and NGOs paved the road that made the present crisis inevitable.

contra.substack.com

 

[hometeam]

In other words, you think violence and war is justified as long as it fits into your ideological idea of governance.

Because Washington DC is an oppressive government. And it certainly isn't working in "today's world" whatever the fuck that means outside a pansy ass nurses liberal blue bubble.

Can you imagine the world if Putin's Russia was the sole superpower? I know you want gays to be in the closet and oppressed, beaten up or jailed if they came out, that would happen. Then he would put those loyal to him in charge of all the world's industries. Europe would be Russia. Killing his opposition Boris Nemtsov and Sergei Yushenkov, jailing Alexei Navalny, that's just the beginning. A stranglehold on the press. No free speech. Milosevic, Saddam Hussein, and Gaddafi still in power. The Arab Spring would be crushed. And you want to condemn America, with it's liberal capitalist democracy?

 

[Hughinn]

Ukraine has a GDP of $150 billion on a good year such as 2019 ($90 billion in 2015) and the US has a GDP of $21 trillion. Their economy isn't even 1% of the US economy. This isn't about getting rich. We have spent more in Ukraine sending them aid than we would ever make in taxes even if we made them the 51st state, which we all know isn't our intention and we know is Russia's intention.

If it's not about getting rich, then why was a poor, destitute and corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy bribing Joe Biden with millions of dollars for a cushy no show job for his crackhead son?

So again it's you condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. We're not orcs.

You're one ignorant wretch.

Washington is doing everything you accuse Russia of doing.

The difference is that Russia has a legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today. Because of Washington

American taxpayers don't have a single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today. But Washington has monetary interests.

We don't add territory. We respect people's borders,

Since when?

Libya, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Congo, Serbia, Kosovo, and soo many others would certainly disagree with that bullshit.

just not always their dictators.

We've got our own dictatorship.

Why is it better?

Ukraine has been begging the West to invest in their country and turn a profit for many years.

Not the ukranian people.

The ukranian ogliarchs bribing Joe Biden

They don't want to be like St Petersburg where they have an inability or refusal to modernize their culture or their economy and make about half the money their neighbors in Finland do 3 hours away.

Lmfao.

You're such an idiot.

"Modernized economics" doesn't mean wokemess.

China's economy will soon surpass Washington's and has no hint of your definition of "modernization"

Trying to rule the world is not something America was ever meant to do.
It just the ambition of the corporate globalist billionaire donors of the Washington DC Cartel

 

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Where I live in the UK there is a huge boat docked housing a few thousand Ukrainian refugees, the majority have turned out to be arrogant and unappreciative of the help given to them, and the majority of the men look like Nazi skinheads from the 80's, they refuse to engage with anybody that is not white.

 

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China's economy will soon surpass Washington's and has no hint of your definition of "modernization"

Trying to rule the world is not something America was ever meant to do.
It just the ambition of the corporate globalist billionaire donors of the Washington DC Cartel

China has 1.4 billion people, and many economists think their economy has peaked. Zero covid has hurt them and they have a terrible government. But it's a whole lot more modern than Russia's economy. And that's the issue here: you and Russia, are stuck in the past. This system of an authoritarian Tsar ruler with oligarchs and expansionism, they've tried that before with their bullying and expanding into neighbors, revanchism, the big lie, the iron fist. It doesn't work today.

How many times does Russia have to collapse before they get the hint they aren't a great power anymore, aren't Europe's saviors anymore, will have to modernize their culture and economy to fit today's world? And stop dwelling on their history. A 3 hr drive from St Petersburg to Finland and you make double the money.

Since when?

Libya, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Congo, Serbia, Kosovo, and soo many others would certainly disagree with that bullshit.

Since when have any of their borders changed? In Yugoslavia you ended up with an independent Serbia (like Georgia or Ukraine from the Soviet Union) and that's it. Since when have any of them become the 51st state? We're not orcs.

Where I live in the UK there is a huge boat docked housing a few thousand Ukrainian refugees, the majority have turned out to be arrogant and unappreciative of the help given to them, and the majority of the men look like Nazi skinheads from the 80's, they refuse to engage with anybody that is not white.

Where I live I've come across a few Ukrainians who left the country too. The women are super bossy, like it's their way or the highway.

 

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Edward Snowden and Julian assange are both fugitives from the Washington DC Cartel as well.

Snowden actually probably would've been pardoned like Bradley/Chelsea Manning, if he hadn't brought a flash drive full of thousands/millions of classified documents to the Russians in exchange for them sheltering him (like they sheltered those who poisoned Yuschenko and those who fired on the Maidan protesters.)

But more importantly, what do you think happened to the journalists and newspapers who reported his story? Nothing. Snowden had to flee because he broke the law and leaked classified materials but the press is free to report what they want. That doesn't mean they don't get pressured sometimes, but they are free. Putin, on the other hand, has gone on a journalist killing spree: Mikhail Lesin, Natalia Estemirova, Anastasia Baburova, Anna Politkovskaya, Maksim Borodin, Nikolay Andrushchenko, Yevgeny Khamaganov, Timur Kuashev, Igor Domnikov, Anna Politkovskaya, Sergey Novikov, Arkady Lander, Nikolai Potapov, Mikhail Beketov, Abdulmalik Akhmedilov, Natalya Estemirova, Sergei Protazanov, Ivan Safronov, Maksim Maksimov...

 

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Trying to rule the world is not something America was ever meant to do.
It just the ambition of the corporate globalist billionaire donors of the Washington DC Cartel

Somebody has to be the world's sole superpower otherwise you have a bunch of minor powers at each other's throats. Constant conflict, instability. Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan, N Korea/S Korea, Iraq/Kuwait, Yugoslavia/Serbia... And we know you hate war. If you were to pick a country to keep the rest of the world in line who would that be? Who is meant for it other than America?