Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Also around that time the former Israeli PM claims that Israeli mediated peace talks (that were going on in Belarus and Turkey anyway) were being prevented from happening, Russian foreign minister Lavrov stated that his belief (prefaced by stating that he "could be wrong") was that Hitler was part Jewish; the claim was met with outrage from Israel's government officials:
He was wrong, but he was trying to paint Zelensky as a Nazi and Ukraine as Nazis despite no extermination camps, no 6 million jews murdered, no attempt to conquer Europe.

Basically, if you're a Ukrainian who doesn't like Russians you're a Nazi because as Putin said, Ukraine is basically Russia anyway:
Only a Nazi would turn on their own kind, which is Russians.
 
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The whole reason Russia threw so much at Bakhmut for 8 months is they hadn't had a victory since April and really needed one for morale, so they'll be playing this up. They were hoping to add it to Putin's anniversary speech. They did get a small victory the the small town of Soledar, population 10k, in January though. But of Bakhmut's 70,000 population it's estimated 4,500 remain, probably mostly siding with the Russians but I don't know what kind of celebration they'll have. A lot of them are old and poor and had nowhere else to go.

But there's not much left of the city:
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There's not much left to fight for, other than the symbolic nature of it.

There's a cool story of a retired US soldier who volunteered in Ukraine and they had him evacuating Bakhmut citizens:




But anybody informed on this will tell you the battle for Bakhmut is nowhere near as important as the battle for Kharkiv (population 1.4 million) or Kherson (population 289,000) was.
 
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The whole reason Russia threw so much at Bakhmut for 8 months is they hadn't had a victory since April and really needed one for morale, so they'll be playing this up. They were hoping to add it to Putin's anniversary speech. They did get a small victory the the small town of Soledar, population 10k, in January though. But of Bakhmut's 70,000 population it's estimated 4,500 remain, probably mostly siding with the Russians but I don't know what kind of celebration they'll have. A lot of them are old and poor and had nowhere else to go.

But there's not much left of the city:
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There's not much left to fight for, other than the symbolic nature of it.

There's a cool story of a retired US soldier who volunteered in Ukraine and they had him evacuating Bakhmut citizens:




But anybody informed on this will tell you the battle for Bakhmut is nowhere near as important as the battle for Kharkiv (population 1.4 million) or Kherson (population 289,000) was.


Lmfao

Que the US excuses

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You are here ^
 
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Que the US excuses

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You are here ^
It has symbolic value. It can be used for logistics and Russia really has a problem with logistics. But a year into the war Russia holds 17% of Ukraine, and I think they held 10%-12% before the invasion. At the cost of tens of thousands of troops, hundreds of billions of dollars, most of their Soviet era arms stockpiles, a whole lot of national humiliation and isolation.

So, you've joined Russia's information warfare apparatus of the Gerosimov doctrine:
Looking up every bit of Russian propaganda you can find and spreading it. You and Putin having shared goals of hurting America/Ukraine, taking down Biden and lliberalism, so I'd expect you to gloat. Russia really needed a moral victory.
 
It has symbolic value. It can be used for logistics and Russia really has a problem with logistics. But a year into the war Russia holds 17% of Ukraine, and I think they held 10%-12% before the invasion. At the cost of tens of thousands of troops, hundreds of billions of dollars, most of their Soviet era arms stockpiles, a whole lot of national humiliation and isolation.

So, you've joined Russia's information warfare apparatus of the Gerosimov doctrine:
Looking up every bit of Russian propaganda you can find and spreading it. You and Putin having shared goals of hurting America/Ukraine, taking down Biden and lliberalism, so I'd expect you to gloat. Russia really needed a moral victory.

Lmfao

You're cheering for the destruction of a country for no other reason than to benifit Joe Bidens globalist billionaire corporate handler's.

I have no reason to care one way or the other which way the Ukraine money laundering operation goes for the Washington DC elites.

I don't care if people in Crimea and Donbass don't want to be ruled by the Washington puppet regime in Kiev and would rather be governed by Russia or be independent. That's their choice. Not Washington's. I couldn't care less.

And because Washington launched a coup in Ukraine in 2014 it's now totally unavoidable that Ukraine is going to give up land for it's own ethnic Russian populations because they shit on them. Tried to run them off and otherwise treated them like second rate citizens. So now, they'll lose part of thier country where those people live.

That's thier own fault. I don't care.
Cry and bitch about it all you want. It's going to happen and it's thier own fault.

Nobody can stop it now. Not Joe Biden, not all of NATO. And I don't care

Because Putin is absolutely zero threat whatsoever to the rights, liberty, freedom, and property of American working class people. He could not infringe the slightest bit on any of our liberties even if he wanted to.

But Joe Biden and his handlers are a threat to my rights and Liberty.

I'm American and Joe Biden hates me and people like me. He is the one who demonizes half of this country. Not Putin

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I don't support an administration willing to sacrifice the lives of an entire generation of ukranian people just to line their own pockets. Then demonize and defame other Americans who disagree with this corruption

I know who the real enemies of liberty are.

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One thing some people worry about is what if they mobilize a million more people? But they can't supply the troops they have out there. These wouldn't be trained soldiers. They can only fire so many artillery rounds. They have lost their best tanks when the 1st Guards was routed and also with the javelin strikes around Kiev.

So, some want to say they've got something else up their sleeve but this is likely the best they can do. They had a standing army of 900k when they invaded, they didn't invade with that many but you can bet they sent reinforcements from Moscow as needed.
So far the war has been a terrible humiliation for Russia. They are proven losers on the battlefield. From the outset it didn't seem feasible that an invasion force of under 200,000 could invade a nation the size of Ukraine. Putin really must have been convinced Ukraine would not fight. Guess he was wrong.

He obviously isn't concerned with casualties, so throwing another million men into the war is likely.

If that doesn't work it's anyone's guess what's next.
 
So far the war has been a terrible humiliation for Russia. They are proven losers on the battlefield. From the outset it didn't seem feasible that an invasion force of under 200,000 could invade a nation the size of Ukraine. Putin really must have been convinced Ukraine would not fight. Guess he was wrong.

He obviously isn't concerned with casualties, so throwing another million men into the war is likely.

If that doesn't work it's anyone's guess what's next.

Having watched Western propaganda unfold the past 14 months, I must now seriously reconsider what I have been told about all previous Western adversaries, given everything they "report" about Ukraine is a lie.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe much of it myself.

"Ukrainian heroes tactically withdrawal from bakmut after Russian orcs die by the tens of thousands, while one Ukrainian Humvee got a flat tire and two Ukrainian heroes suffered twisted ankles"

Is gotta be bullshit.

They dug in hard, gave it everything they had and now they're trying to escape in small convoys in the night on the only "open" road out while Russian forces claim the City. That's the real situation.

Ukraine lost here big time.

"The city has no strategic value" might be true if you want to protect Kyiv.

But it's of great importance to the rest of the Donbass.

Sources outside of the Washington propoganda networks all claim a devastating defeat for an already depleted Ukraine. With NATOs full support unlikely to change the outcome of the war

While western propoganda calls it a "strategic withdrawal and tactical victory"

We were told for months Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and we had to invade to take them away.

Then there were none and it was all just lies...

For twenty years we were told everything was going fine in Afghanistan and then Joe Biden assured us the Washington proxy regime in Kabul would hold off the Taliban.

Then what happened @Big_paul ?
 
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Having watched Western propaganda unfold the past 14 months, I must now seriously reconsider what I have been told about all previous Western adversaries, given everything they "report" about Ukraine is a lie.
Well for you if it doesn't come from your libertarian sources you just don't trust it. Mainstream news doesn't tell you what you want to hear. But, if anything I think I've proven that what your libertarians say about there being forensic proof the Maidan protesters killed themselves, the West not allowing negotiations, and Biden being able to snap his fingers and end the war is a lie.

But here's what happened in Bakhmut. This was December 8th when the Wagner convicts were assailing it head on (which they'd been doing since August):
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And this was a few days ago when the decision to withdraw was made:
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The pics come from Combat Vet Reacts:

Around January Wagner had become so degraded the Russian MOD started reinforcing them with Russian Army paratroopers, which are their better troops. They made the tactical decision to encircle the city. From the ISW:
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Once that supply road to the West is cut off that means no more food or ammunition and you can get your wounded out. So they had to go.

Both sides are saying it was a meat grinder, one the advantage of more artillery and the other the advantage of being dug in and firing on openly assaulting troops with drones spotting them.

Conventional military wisdom says the defenders inflicted more casualties, but a lot of the Russian casualties was prison convicts most people don't care if they die anyway. Personally I don't think it really matters. In the Vietnam War US forces killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers (by Vietnam's numbers), never was beaten on the battlefield, was bombed to the stone age (double the amount of bombs dropped in Vietnam than all dropped in Europe and Asia in WWII) and the US still lost. All that matters here is that Ukraine is willing to fight longer than Russia is. I think Medvedev (Putin's deputy) recently said if Russia lost, the humiliation would destroy the country, but that's the strongest statement I've heard that Russia has the appetite for this war. On the other side it seems Ukraine has been more reluctant to go on the offensive because you take heavy casualties doing that.
 
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Having watched Western propaganda unfold the past 14 months, I must now seriously reconsider what I have been told about all previous Western adversaries, given everything they "report" about Ukraine is a lie.
The fact that we still talking about the war after more than a year says something about the effectiveness of the Russians.

They were defeated when they tried to take Kiev. They were defeated in the counter offensive in the northeast around Kharkiv and Izyum, and they lost Kherson.
These are facts.

Russians still control much of the south, the land bridge between Donetsk and Crimea.

Sure there's no shortage of propaganda, but we can't discount what is obviously true.

Whatever happens next it's a safe bet 2023 will be more deadly than 2022.
 
The fact that we still talking about the war after more than a year says something about the effectiveness of the Russians.

They were defeated when they tried to take Kiev. They were defeated in the counter offensive in the northeast around Kharkiv and Izyum, and they lost Kherson.
These are facts.

Russians still control much of the south, the land bridge between Donetsk and Crimea.

Sure there's no shortage of propaganda, but we can't discount what is obviously true.

Whatever happens next it's a safe bet 2023 will be more deadly than 2022.


It certainly proves something Paul.

And that is Ukraine means much more to Russia than it does anybody else except Ukrainian people.

You can fantasize about the mighty empire of Washington/NATO all you want and you can demonize and defame the Russian people all you want as well.

But it's not going to change the FACT that Russia drew it's red line on its borders with Ukraine and Washington drew it's lines halfway across the world.

At the end of day, can Washington spend 100k American lives on a money laundering operation halfway around the world that will have no benifit whatsoever to the American people?

I'm sure Washington wouldn't mind at all. But I don't think the American people are willing to flush an entire generation of young men down the toilet so that Washington can help the western globalist banking interests and empirical aspirations of Joe Bidens handler's make some inroads into Eastern Europe.

Because that's what this is coming down to, and that's a fact.

All of your hatred for the bad orange man and your animosity for rural America doesn't change another important fact Paul....
American top soldiers and infantry are rural white boys. Have been from the beginning. And they aren't willing to die for the aspirations of a government working on behalf of billionaire corporate interests that hate them anymore.

So unless you and that sissy bitch @hometeam plan on suiting up to die for a Washington DC/DNC war for profit, Russia will eventually win this thing and NATO/Washington will lose.

We all get what's coming to us Paul. And the users have used up the goodwill and gratitude of the very people that made this made this country what it is.

So you and @hometeam can either strap up to go fight Russia, or convince the millions of central and south Americans Joe Biden is importing to go die and fight for for your pocketbooks.

Because we're not doing it ever again
 
It certainly proves something Paul.

And that is Ukraine means much more to Russia than it does anybody else except Ukrainian people.

You can fantasize about the mighty empire of Washington/NATO all you want and you can demonize and defame the Russian people all you want as well.

But it's not going to change the FACT that Russia drew it's red line on its borders with Ukraine and Washington drew it's lines halfway across the world.

At the end of day, can Washington spend 100k American lives on a money laundering operation halfway around the world that will have no benifit whatsoever to the American people?

I'm sure Washington wouldn't mind at all. But I don't think the American people are willing to flush an entire generation of young men down the toilet so that Washington can help the western globalist banking interests and empirical aspirations of Joe Bidens handler's make some inroads into Eastern Europe.

Because that's what this is coming down to, and that's a fact.

All of your hatred for the bad orange man and your animosity for rural America doesn't change another important fact Paul....
American top soldiers and infantry are rural white boys. Have been from the beginning. And they aren't willing to die for the aspirations of a government working on behalf of billionaire corporate interests that hate them anymore.

So unless you and that sissy bitch @hometeam plan on suiting up to die for a Washington DC/DNC war for profit, Russia will eventually win this thing and NATO/Washington will lose.

We all get what's coming to us Paul. And the users have used up the goodwill and gratitude of the very people that made this made this country what it is.

So you and @hometeam can either strap up to go fight Russia, or convince the millions of central and south Americans Joe Biden is importing to go die and fight for for your pocketbooks.

Because we're not doing it ever again

Joe Biden and his corporate globalist billionaire handlers will lose eventually.

That's a fact.

Because unlike ever before, they're not going to get an army full of rural white boys willing to die for an administration that reminds them it loathes them daily.

And now, unlike ever before, somebody has stood up to them and bloodied thier lying noses.

It's over Paul.

Over.
 
Well for you if it doesn't come from your libertarian sources you just don't trust it. Mainstream news doesn't tell you what you want to hear. But, if anything I think I've proven that what your libertarians say about there being forensic proof the Maidan protesters killed themselves, the West not allowing negotiations, and Biden being able to snap his fingers and end the war is a lie.

But here's what happened in Bakhmut. This was December 8th when the Wagner convicts were assailing it head on (which they'd been doing since August):
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And this was a few days ago when the decision to withdraw was made:
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The pics come from Combat Vet Reacts:

Around January Wagner had become so degraded the Russian MOD started reinforcing them with Russian Army paratroopers, which are their better troops. They made the tactical decision to encircle the city. From the ISW:
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Once that supply road to the West is cut off that means no more food or ammunition and you can get your wounded out. So they had to go.

Both sides are saying it was a meat grinder, one the advantage of more artillery and the other the advantage of being dug in and firing on openly assaulting troops with drones spotting them.

Conventional military wisdom says the defenders inflicted more casualties, but a lot of the Russian casualties was prison convicts most people don't care if they die anyway. Personally I don't think it really matters. In the Vietnam War US forces killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers (by Vietnam's numbers), never was beaten on the battlefield, was bombed to the stone age (double the amount of bombs dropped in Vietnam than all dropped in Europe and Asia in WWII) and the US still lost. All that matters here is that Ukraine is willing to fight longer than Russia is. I think Medvedev (Putin's deputy) recently said if Russia lost, the humiliation would destroy the country, but that's the strongest statement I've heard that Russia has the appetite for this war. On the other side it seems Ukraine has been more reluctant to go on the offensive because you take heavy casualties doing that.

And this stupid bitch here ^

Is a prime example of exactly what I'm talking about.

He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him.

Except those people, see no reason to go to war with Russia, and why should they? It has no benifit whatsoever to them

And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore.

And NATO? Lmfao.
Nobody in Germany for example signed up for a hot war with Russia. And they're not going to fight one. Same with Italy, France and turkey.

Not going to happen.

Washington has shit on every ally it's ever had, starting with rural Americans, the backbone of it's military prowess and ending with the Germans, when they fucked the German people by blowing up their gas pipeline to prolong a war for profit.

You bitches live in a fantasy world that's coming to an end fast.
The lying, conniving and games have come at a cost and the motherfukkin tab is due to be paid.

You did it to yourselves.

So fuck you. And I'm not at all sorry to say it.
Fuck you bastards.

You'll lose this thing. Then you'll lose your backbone of military strength and industrial workforce.

You deserve it. Every bit of it. For shitting on the people that built the world you take for granted.

So roll those little blue pills up nice and tight, then shove them up your asses.
Because the gravy train is over

Enjoy while you can motherfukkers
 
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I have no reason to care one way or the other which way the Ukraine money laundering operation goes for the Washington DC elites.

And because Washington launched a coup in Ukraine in 2014

But Joe Biden and his handlers are a threat to my rights and Liberty.
You know what it's called when you have an agenda and you're presenting things as fact that you have no proof of, right?

He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him.
You don't care about the Ukrainians. If you did you'd support them not blame them. All you care about is spinning everything in the news into a Joe Biden outrage or a Joe Biden failure.

You bitches live in a fantasy world that's coming to an end fast.
The lying, conniving and games have come at a cost and the motherfukkin tab is due to be paid.

You did it to yourselves.

So fuck you. And I'm not at all sorry to say it.
Fuck you bastards.

You'll lose this thing. Then you'll lose your backbone of military strength and industrial workforce.

You deserve it. Every bit of it. For shitting on the people that built the world you take for granted.
See @lukiss96 this is what we've been having to deal with in America from this small right wing group Proud Boys ever since Trump refused to have a peaceful transfer of power: angry, conspiratorial, sore losers who care more about the leader than the country. Don't let it happen in Europe. It's annoying. He wouldn't say this stuff publicly or at work though.
 
Well for you if it doesn't come from your libertarian sources you just don't trust it.

Nah Man,

I don't trust anything from any state run media anymore.

It's all just propoganda


Mainstream news doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
No,
They only tell me what they want me to hear
But, if anything I think I've proven that what your libertarians say about there being forensic proof the Maidan protesters killed themselves, the West not allowing negotiations, and Biden being able to snap his fingers and end the war is a lie.
Nah man, it's not a lie.
Joe Biden can end this a phonecall and it's all over by the end of week.
If he really represented the people of this country. He could end it with a phonecall.
Today

But, Joe Biden is not in charge



But here's what happened in Bakhmut. This was December 8th when the Wagner convicts were assailing it head on (which they'd been doing since August):
View attachment 253111

And this was a few days ago when the decision to withdraw was made:
View attachment 253112

The pics come from Combat Vet Reacts:

Around January Wagner had become so degraded the Russian MOD started reinforcing them with Russian Army paratroopers, which are their better troops. They made the tactical decision to encircle the city. From the ISW:
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Once that supply road to the West is cut off that means no more food or ammunition and you can get your wounded out. So they had to go.

Okay bud. Whatever.

But look, Russia is not Iraq or Afghanistan.
And they're just not going to lay down.

Why should they?

Why should Washington decide who gets to be in charge of Ukraine or anywhere else?
They're not even in charge around hee, and why the fuck would we want that?


Both sides are saying it was a meat grinder, one the advantage of more artillery and the other the advantage of being dug in and firing on openly assaulting troops with drones spotting them.

It was fuckin ugly. And the men that died there...on both sides are my brothers

And I really fukkin hate it.
You just can't understand that...why?


Conventional military wisdom says the defenders inflicted more casualties, but a lot of the Russian casualties was prison convicts most people don't care if they die anyway. Personally I don't think it really matters. In the Vietnam War US forces killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers (by Vietnam's numbers), never was beaten on the battlefield, was bombed to the stone age (double the amount of bombs dropped in Vietnam than all dropped in Europe and Asia in WWII) and the US still lost. All that matters here is that Ukraine is willing to fight longer than Russia is. I think Medvedev (Putin's deputy) recently said if Russia lost, the humiliation would destroy the country, but that's the strongest statement I've heard that Russia has the appetite for this war. On the other side it seems Ukraine has been more reluctant to go on the offensive because you take heavy casualties doing that.

Look, you ain't no military strategist.

Neither am I.
But machines are organizations of human machines all work very different.

So to s rational person.

Ukrainian people have probably lost at least 4to1 casualties here. In a war, that didn't need to happen.

Russia, is a stand alone loosely knit alliance of poor neighboring states. But it's thier backyards!!?? Bitch.

And we don't have a single legitimate national security concern in Ukraine today!
Except for billionaire corporate interests that control our obviously corrupt administration.

So giving out own national states at least some consideration, why the fuck would any of us care about Joe Bidens handler's sweet little honeypot cash cow in Ukraine?

Because all of it is our goddamn money.

Or is this all about "saving democracy" all over again?

Enough already
 
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You know what it's called when you have an agenda and you're presenting things as fact that you have no proof of, right?

That's called CNN, CBS, ABC or maybe MSNBC

I guess that's multiple choices, but they ain't much different


You don't care about the Ukrainians. If you did you'd support them not blame them. All you care about is spinning everything in the news into a Joe Biden outrage or a Joe Biden failure.

Bitch, look.
I don't care about Ukranians anymore than I care about Russians, Guatemalans, Mexicans or Americans.

Because we're all getting fucked by the same people.

Joe Biden and his handlers



See @lukiss96 this is what we've been having to deal with in America from this small right wing group Proud Boys ever since Trump refused to have a peaceful transfer of power: angry, conspiratorial, sore losers who care more about the leader than the country. Don't let it happen in Europe. It's annoying. He wouldn't say this stuff publicly or at work though.

Lmfao

Call in your champion little bitch.
You've been stomped down for being stupid.
So let's see what you're hero has to say.
@lukiss96 your being called here by your bitch

Whatchu got?
 
And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies.
There is no Ukrainian manpower shortage.

Nah Man,

I don't trust anything from any state run media anymore.

It's all just propoganda
And your right wing libertarians have no agenda either? The mainstream media cares most about getting and keeping as many viewers as possible. Libertarians care most about promoting a cause. It's pretty bad when you're too extreme for Fox News.

Look, you ain't no military strategist.

Neither am I.
But machines are organizations of human machines all work very different.

So to s rational person.

Ukrainian people have probably lost at least 4to1 casualties here. In a war, that didn't need to happen.
General Bakshi of India is, and he's a neutral third party. He says there is no 4 to 1 casualty ratio and Ukraine has plenty of fighters. He says this is a symmetrical war not asymmetrical like US vs Iraq or US vs Afghanistan. They are equally matched, equipment-wise:

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=605

In fact, a year into it, Russia is doing pretty bad. These battles have been mostly Russia attacking fortified cities with dug in defenders. When you're winning everyone is happy but when you're losing you have the Wagner boss and Russian MOD at each other's throat and a bunch of angry Russians.But Russia is going to play this up because they really needed a win, and you're gonna eat it up because you're that much of an anti-Biden political hack and sore loser that you become a Putin lover and Russian expansion supporter and hope for America's downfall.
 
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Call in your champion little bitch.
You've been stomped down for being stupid.
So let's see what you're hero has to say.
@lukiss96 your being called here by your bitch

Whatchu got?
If you'd actually read his posts you'd know he supports the Biden money laundering conspiracy. I'm just pointing out how loony it's promoters are.

I mean, people who say:
"So fuck you. And I'm not at all sorry to say it.
Fuck you bastards."
aren't the ones winning arguments, no matter how crass their communication style is. If you weren't so invested in Biden's downfall (and tying Ukraine's success to Biden's success) I'd be surprised you didn't say "I didn't know that. Thanks for the info."
 
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If you'd actually read his posts you'd know he supports the Biden money laundering conspiracy. I'm just pointing out how loony it's promoters are.

I mean, people who say:
"So fuck you. And I'm not at all sorry to say it.
Fuck you bastards."
aren't the ones winning arguments, no matter how crass their communication style is. If you weren't so invested in Biden's downfall (and tying Ukraine's success to Biden's success) I'd be surprised you didn't say "I didn't know that. Thanks for the info."

It'd be one thing if you had any info.

Nothing you say, isn't said better and more often on CNN MSNBC and the rest of the Washington DC/DNC propoganda networks on a daily basis.

Literally 20 minutes of watching MSNBC will sum up your entire opinions on just about anything

You're in this √ somewhere

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