Cycle Plan for Fat Loss & Muscle Retention (Feedback Request)

Wombr

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I’m planning a fat loss-focused cycle while maintaining muscle mass. My goal is to drop ~25-30kg of fat while keeping as much muscle as possible. Below is my planned compound list, dosages, and reasoning. I’d appreciate any feedback, optimizations, or advice before I finalize my order.


Hormonal Compounds (Anabolics & Testosterone)

CompoundDosagePurpose
Testosterone Enanthate150-300mg/week (2x per week injections)Muscle retention, mood, energy, prevents suppression
Anavar (Oxandrolone)10-20mg pre-workoutStrength, fat loss, muscle retention, no water retention

Peptides & Growth Factors

CompoundDosagePurpose
HGH (Human Growth Hormone)6 IU/day (3 IU AM + 3 IU PM)Fat loss, muscle preservation, IGF-1 boost
MK-677 (Ibutamoren)12.5-25mg daily (before bed)Boosts IGF-1, enhances HGH effects, improves sleep & recovery

Fat Loss Enhancers

CompoundDosagePurpose
RetatrutideStart 2mg/week, titrate up to 6-10mg/weekStrongest GLP-1/GIP agonist for appetite suppression & fat loss
ClenbuterolStart 20mcg/day, ramp to 40-60mcg/dayBeta-2 agonist for fat loss, metabolic boost

Estrogen & Hormone Management

CompoundDosagePurpose
Aromasin (Exemestane)12.5mg EOD (adjust as needed)Controls estrogen, prevents water retention & gyno
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen)20mg/day during PCTHelps restore natural testosterone post-cycle & HPTA

Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) & Recovery

CompoundDosagePurpose
HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin)500 IU 3x per week (last 2 weeks of cycle)Maintains testicular function & LH stimulation
HMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin)75 IU 2-3x per week (PCT weeks 1-2)Restores LH & FSH, better recovery than HCG alone
Enclomiphene12.5mg/day (PCT weeks 1-4)Stimulates LH & FSH, restores natural test faster

Support & Health

CompoundDosagePurpose
Tadalafil (Cialis)2.5-5mg nightlyImproves blood flow, combats potential ED from low estrogen
Dutasteride 0.5mg EODDHT blocker, prevents hair loss from Test/Anavar

Cycle Length & Structure

  • Weeks 1-12: Test E, Anavar, HGH, Retatrutide, Clen, MK-677
  • Weeks 10-12: HCG to prepare for PCT
  • Weeks 13-16: PCT (HMG, Nolvadex, Enclomiphene)

❓Questions for the Forum

  1. Would you keep Test E at 150mg/week or go up to 300mg?
  2. Should I remove Anavar, or is it worth keeping for strength and recomp?
  3. Would MK-677 + 6 IU HGH be overkill, or should I just run HGH alone?
  4. Any suggested adjustments?
Appreciate any feedback! Looking to optimize this for max fat loss with minimal muscle loss.
 
How are your stats? Age, any experience with anabolics before?
I would keep it as simple as possible: testo, clen and t3.
But depending on your body composition and experience.
It’s very optimistic drop 25 kg in 12 weeks cycle, I guess your goal is in long term, isn’t it?
 
Mk677 is garbage. Only good for getting an appetite if you don't have one. You don't want an appetite while cutting either so I to the trash it goes
Throw out the enclomiphene. Seriously not needed and can cause eye damage and floaters. Trash as well.
HMG is overkill as well and not needed.
You don't combine growth hormone secretagogues with growth hormone. You pick one or the other or keep them separate
No need to split your dosage of HGH. Just take the whole thing at once before bed or look at Type-IIx's article for HGH and fatloss in the HGH subforum. Better yet get his book. It's fantastic
On that amount of testosterone 12.5mg aromasin EOD will crush your estrogen seriously. Your libido will be gone and joints will ache. I am a high aromatizer and even at 400mg I only need 12.5mg 2x per week to be in low end of range. I could probably go to just one a week.
0.5mg dutasteride EOD is also overkill and will kill your dht and you'll feel terrible. unless you are seriously prone to mpb please don't. I'm not prone to it but when I do get shedding 0.25mg duta every 5 days is plenty

Spend the money you save towards a coach
 
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Id toss anavar, if you need to lose that much fat then the cosmetic effect anavar brings wont show and you’re just trashing your lipids. Id stick to just test, 4-600mg/week.

Drop the clen, not needed at that level of bodyfat you dont need fat loss aids to drop large amounts of fat.

Drop mk677, 6iu hgh is plenty, save the money

Reta is fine, as others have said theres others where the appetite suppression is supposedly stronger but i dont have much exp with them
 
I just lost 9kg in 8 weeks.
Less than 300g of muscle
And bf from 29.9 to 23.8

Similar cycle, simpler though.
2.5mg tirzepatide first 5 weeks then 5mg
200mg test cyp
2iu hgh morning, 2iu hgh before bed

Img of my inbody scan of the 8 weeks
Weight in lbs
Muscle mass in lbs
Body fat in %
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30kg fat? Just focus on losing weight and not completely starving yourself. That’s a very long way to go.

This cycle is a mess but I’ll give you some bullet points.

300 test is a good place to start, higher if you don’t aromatize a ton. Fat increases aromatization.

You don’t need to take any orals, especially anavar. That would be a waste right now. The only real benefit you’d get is more appetite suppression and slightly less strength falling off from the deficit. If you must run an oral run a cheap one that isn’t as cosmetic as anavar.

That is way too much growth hormone, work up to 3iu if you just but you almost certainly don’t need it right now.

Mk677 is going to crank your appetite and derail the diet. Gh will too to a much lesser extent.

30kg over weight sounds like tirz would be a better bet than Reta as it kills appetite more and this seems more lifestyle related than you needing a metabolism boost.

Get ketotifen to prolong clen effectiveness or cycle off and on, switching to ephedrine or mirabegron in time off.

You shouldn’t need Aromasin on that dose of test. Keep a few around just in case.

Nolva is gay.

PCT, see comment on nolva. This is going to take a long time. You’re going to wreck your diet and adherence coming off every 3-4months.

Cialis, sure, would be a lot simpler to just not tank estrogen.

Dutasteride preemptively is wild unless you know how this effects you.



To summarize,
300 test
Start at 1.5-2mg tirz/reta
Clen, then eca, then clen again


3iu gh and a cheap low dose oral if you absolutely must.

And don’t come off.
 
Some of the guys replying are clueless, obviously being as overweight as you've made it seem is going to be unhealthier than most of these compounds in the long term. Not sure if you're a trained individual but I'd hope so if you're considering this protocol. If you're just an average guy trying to lose this weight in 6 months, you'll just need the GLP-1 agonist or some discipline to do it naturally. Now if you're a lifter with some PED experience who absolutely hates yourself right now and want to lose the weight as fast as possible, then I think this protocol is more in line with that. You can achieve a lot with your diet alone, but the GLP-1 agonist will make things a lot smoother and less mentally stressful. I'd recommend what I have done previously with some aspects you've suggested. Firstly and most importantly, I'd say research into and perform a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) and swap the retatrutide for semaglutide. The appetite suppression from sema is greater and hopefully will destroy any cravings and hunger for the duration you're using it. Run test c at 250mg and drop the clen, GH, mk677, and nolvadex (unless for gyno). I'd say if you plan on going balls to the wall you could run the anavar for up to 12 weeks at 20-30mg. Something beneficial you could add in is cardarine (gw 501516), which people believe causes cancer but studies show the pathway that causes this in rats is inactive in humans, along with decades of anecdotal experience from the PED community which have proven it's safe. Cardarine will increase the ability for your body to metabolize fat, boost your cardiovascular ability and health, provide you energy during an aggressive cut, and keep your lipids mostly unaffected by the anavar. I'd say run this the duration of your protocol at 10-20mg/day. With that in mind, you should have all the tools you need to pull this off and retain your muscle mass. I personally used only TRT (800 ng/dL levels), 30mg anavar up to 3 weeks during PSMF diet phases, and cardarine at 10mg the last 3 weeks to go from 272 to 225 in 100 days and kept my strength throughout (actually PR'd with a 435lb bench halfway through). I did 3 total PSMF diet phases for either 2 or 3 weeks where I ate ~1250 calories 250 P 20 F 20 C before returning to a 1000-1500 calorie deficit for two weeks to rest. With the semaglutide, I see no reason you can't just run a PSMF for like 12 weeks straight if needed, but that would be incredibly mentally hard to do without sema. I lost 18lbs (excluding water weight) in the first 3 week PSMF phase I did so you could certainly pull this off in as little as three months if you're disciplined. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck!
 
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Don't kitchen sink it.

Make sure to take enough testosterone to keep your blood levels at the top of the range, but not exceed it. It may be 150mg it may take a little more, take bloods to confirm. Taking more than necessary might lead to excess aromatization, especially since you're carrying extra weight.

Focus on getting into a calorie deficit instead of chemicals.

Start following a sustainable diet plan, with the help of GLP-1s.

Avoid using HGH, especially at 6iu, and especially if you need to lose 30kg. You'll be a walking side effect.

With testosterone and GLP-1s, you won't lose muscle, as it's likely you don't have much to begin with.
 
Some of the guys replying are clueless, obviously being as overweight as you've made it seem is going to be unhealthier than most of these compounds in the long term. Not sure if you're a trained individual but I'd hope so if you're considering this protocol. If you're just an average guy trying to lose this weight in 6 months, you'll just need the GLP-1 agonist or some discipline to do it naturally. Now if you're a lifter with some PED experience who absolutely hates yourself right now and want to lose the weight as fast as possible, then I think this protocol is more in line with that. You can achieve a lot with your diet alone, but the GLP-1 agonist will make things a lot smoother and less mentally stressful. I'd recommend what I have done previously with some aspects you've suggested. Firstly and most importantly, I'd say research into and perform a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) and swap the retatrutide for semaglutide. The appetite suppression from sema is greater and hopefully will destroy any cravings and hunger for the duration you're using it. Run test c at 250mg and drop the clen, GH, mk677, and nolvadex (unless for gyno). I'd say if you plan on going balls to the wall you could run the anavar for up to 12 weeks at 20-30mg. Something beneficial you could add in is cardarine (gw 501516), which people believe causes cancer but studies show the pathway that causes this in rats is inactive in humans, along with decades of anecdotal experience from the PED community which have proven it's safe. Cardarine will increase the ability for your body to metabolize fat, boost your cardiovascular ability and health, provide you energy during an aggressive cut, and keep your lipids mostly unaffected by the anavar. I'd say run this the duration of your protocol at 10-20mg/day. With that in mind, you should have all the tools you need to pull this off and retain your muscle mass. I personally used only TRT (800 ng/dL levels), 30mg anavar up to 3 weeks during PSMF diet phases, and cardarine at 10mg the last 3 weeks to go from 272 to 225 in 100 days and kept my strength throughout (actually PR'd with a 435lb bench halfway through). I did 3 total PSMF diet phases for either 2 or 3 weeks where I ate ~1250 calories 250 P 20 F 20 C before returning to a 1000-1500 calorie deficit for two weeks to rest. With the semaglutide, I see no reason you can't just run a PSMF for like 12 weeks straight if needed, but that would be incredibly mentally hard to do without sema. I lost 18lbs (excluding water weight) in the first 3 week PSMF phase I did so you could certainly pull this off in as little as three months if you're disciplined. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck!

tldr?
 
Id toss anavar, if you need to lose that much fat then the cosmetic effect anavar brings wont show and you’re just trashing your lipids. Id stick to just test, 4-600mg/week.

Drop the clen, not needed at that level of bodyfat you dont need fat loss aids to drop large amounts of fat.

Drop mk677, 6iu hgh is plenty, save the money

Reta is fine, as others have said theres others where the appetite suppression is supposedly stronger but i dont have much exp with them
No one need need 400-600mg of test to cut, that's someone bulking cycle haha.
 
Some of the guys replying are clueless, obviously being as overweight as you've made it seem is going to be unhealthier than most of these compounds in the long term. Not sure if you're a trained individual but I'd hope so if you're considering this protocol. If you're just an average guy trying to lose this weight in 6 months, you'll just need the GLP-1 agonist or some discipline to do it naturally. Now if you're a lifter with some PED experience who absolutely hates yourself right now and want to lose the weight as fast as possible, then I think this protocol is more in line with that. You can achieve a lot with your diet alone, but the GLP-1 agonist will make things a lot smoother and less mentally stressful. I'd recommend what I have done previously with some aspects you've suggested. Firstly and most importantly, I'd say research into and perform a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) and swap the retatrutide for semaglutide. The appetite suppression from sema is greater and hopefully will destroy any cravings and hunger for the duration you're using it. Run test c at 250mg and drop the clen, GH, mk677, and nolvadex (unless for gyno). I'd say if you plan on going balls to the wall you could run the anavar for up to 12 weeks at 20-30mg. Something beneficial you could add in is cardarine (gw 501516), which people believe causes cancer but studies show the pathway that causes this in rats is inactive in humans, along with decades of anecdotal experience from the PED community which have proven it's safe. Cardarine will increase the ability for your body to metabolize fat, boost your cardiovascular ability and health, provide you energy during an aggressive cut, and keep your lipids mostly unaffected by the anavar. I'd say run this the duration of your protocol at 10-20mg/day. With that in mind, you should have all the tools you need to pull this off and retain your muscle mass. I personally used only TRT (800 ng/dL levels), 30mg anavar up to 3 weeks during PSMF diet phases, and cardarine at 10mg the last 3 weeks to go from 272 to 225 in 100 days and kept my strength throughout (actually PR'd with a 435lb bench halfway through). I did 3 total PSMF diet phases for either 2 or 3 weeks where I ate ~1250 calories 250 P 20 F 20 C before returning to a 1000-1500 calorie deficit for two weeks to rest. With the semaglutide, I see no reason you can't just run a PSMF for like 12 weeks straight if needed, but that would be incredibly mentally hard to do without sema. I lost 18lbs (excluding water weight) in the first 3 week PSMF phase I did so you could certainly pull this off in as little as three months if you're disciplined. Let me know if you have any questions and good luck!
Thanks, decided on staying off test and just doing fasts with the help of retatrutide. Hopefully i can retain some muscle with training.
 
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