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[SBD1]

Mast p is worthless cmv

This is a wild statement

 

[glpfun]

This is a wild statement

Just don’t see a place for a short mast ester what’s the point. The only reason test prop still exists is because people want to run gear closer to trt bloodwork. Nobody is running prop to maintain stable serum levels of anything. Especially since mast is so mild, don’t feel any different running 300 mg vs a gram

 

[Dirthand]

I have had members contact me privately asking about the testing results before they came out. Why didn't they just post their question on the thread? Pitchforks is why.

Maybe chat peppys is a better place for people that are "afraid" of pitchforks. I haven't followed the situation closely. Was your product replaced or offered to be replaced? Your only a victim if you let yourself be? State what you want and get it.. move on...

 

[glpfun]

Nobody is “afraid” of negative responses from people in online communities that’s ridiculous

 

[AlexDavis43]

Did you not see the results of the vial I submitted? I am guessing you missed that because these are the only tests you are spreading around. I just think it is convenient that he just happened to find some vials that were supposedly from the same batch as mine. Believe what you want but how do you explain my vial testing subpar?

We are not discussing Serostim and I think most people are buying in hopes that the advertised testing is correct. I would think that if Serostim was saying it was 97% pure with no dimer, you might take issue with the results if they were not what was advertised.

Maybe a different analogy will help. Lets say you buy a new car and drive it home but there ends up being a scratch you did not see while it was on the car lot. Do you just accept it because it does not affect how the car operates? What you are telling me is I should live with the scratch because it does not affect the operation of the car.

If my vial does not demonstrate the potential for degradation with a vacuum less vial, then I guess it was never 97-98% purity and no dimer. Why not just buy the cheapest product there is if 95% purity and .214 dimer is acceptable?

Dude I only wrote 4 sentences and you couldn't be bothered to make it to the 4th before this wall of text?

I was asking if you were accusing Lobster of foul play. Thanks for clarifying.

On your other point: if you think you're going to see a big difference between 96% & 98% purity GH or 0% & 0.2% dimer, you don't have much experience with GH. Wrt your analogy, the scratch is like the 0.2% dimer. Not gonna affect how the GH operates.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I have had members contact me privately asking about the testing results before they came out. Why didn't they just post their question on the thread? Pitchforks is why.

If you call that a pitchfork, stick around for a while. More like an elderly cat lady aunt pinching you on the cheek.

You played this card in Lobster's thread but I couldn't find examples of anyone giving you a hard time. If I missed it, my bad.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Would you all please put down your pitchforks so people can complain in peace? I am shocked at all y’all’s behavior. Shocked and appalled.

Ok, maybe not shocked. Just amused. Carry on!

 

[chumpsickel]

Maybe chat peppys is a better place for people that are "afraid" of pitchforks. I haven't followed the situation closely. Was your product replaced or offered to be replaced? Your only a victim if you let yourself be? State what you want and get it.. move on...

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

 

[chumpsickel]

Dude I only wrote 4 sentences and you couldn't be bothered to make it to the 4th before this wall of text?

I was asking if you were accusing Lobster of foul play. Thanks for clarifying.

On your other point: if you think you're going to see a big difference between 96% & 98% purity GH or 0% & 0.2% dimer, you don't have much experience with GH. Wrt your analogy, the scratch is like the 0.2% dimer. Not gonna affect how the GH operates.

You keep missing the point. There is even a post where he commented on another vendors page about him never having dimer. That did not age well. You and Lobs must be tight because I believe you will continue to defend him no matter what. It was not 96%.

I hope you never have a product come back as less than advertised. If you do, I expect no complaining.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

Thanks again for clarifying. Not releasing the results from your second vial is shady. I didn't realize that's what happened.

And I also see why it seemed like we were disagreeing. We have different definitions of subpar when it comes to GH testing results. I think your gear looks good and you wouldn't experience any different effects if it was a percentage point higher in purity or 0.2% → 0% dimer.

 

[glpfun]

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

Easy solution, pay for your own testing like everyone else does

 

[chumpsickel]

Easy solution, pay for your own testing like everyone else does

Whatever. Not everyone pays for their own testing. What is the point of vendor testing. Also what is the point of sending it in myself. It would have been the same result but I would have been out $400.

 

[AlexDavis43]

You keep missing the point. There is even a post where he commented on another vendors page about him never having dimer. That did not age well. You and Lobs must be tight because I believe you will continue to defend him no matter what. It was not 96%.

I hope you never have a product come back as less than advertised. If you do, I expect no complaining.

I'm talking about GH testing results, not defending Lobster. I can see you're trying to imply I'm a shill which won't work. I've never ordered from Lobster and am not taking a side.

Anyone who doesn't "get your back" and hassle the source to reimburse/replace is on Lobster's side? Gotta get out of that mindset.

If I had the impression he did you dirty, I'd get your back. I just don't see 0.2% dimer as subpar, which seems the main point of disagreement.

 

[chumpsickel]

I'm talking about GH testing results, not defending Lobster. I can see you're trying to imply I'm a shill which won't work. I've never ordered from Lobster and am not taking a side.

Anyone who doesn't "get your back" and hassle the source to reimburse/replace is on Lobster's side? Gotta get out of that mindset.

If I had the impression he did you dirty, I'd get your back. I just don't see 0.2% dimer as subpar, which seems the main point of disagreement.

Cool. I am using the product, so it doesn't matter, but I still think it shows degradation is possible when there is no vacuum applied. I don't think it is right for Lobster to all of the sudden come up with vials that just happened to be from the same batch. Where were these vials before? It could have saved a lot of trouble if he would have found them. I probably would have believed him. Sorry for implying you might be a shill.

 

[Megachocotone]

I have found this.but why does it smells so bad then? If not any super solvents? I had it twice .also from cat cafe.smelling bad as well.just curious if anybody knows

They weren’t, but SSA and HYB seem to have solvents all over despite claiming otherwise. I’m allergic and get a reaction, and can smell it. The smell varies depending on their product, which would indicate varying degrees in the formulation. The DHB seems to have less than things like tren no base, but it’s there.

it’s really upsetting they have no clue and will just randomly change their answers “after confirming with the factory”. I find it weird people don’t notice they just say what we want once they get an indication of what the right answer would be to leave them alone.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Cool. I am using the product, so it doesn't matter, but I still think it shows degradation is possible when there is no vacuum applied. I don't think it is right for Lobster to all of the sudden come up with vials that just happened to be from the same batch. Where were these vials before? It could have saved a lot of trouble if he would have found them. I probably would have believed him. Sorry for implying you might be a shill.

Thanks man. No worries.

 

[Ghoul]

Cool, now make it affordable like insulin, oh wait…

That's generally how it works. To increase demand for the extra amount being produced, you have lower prices or it sits on the shelf, unsold.

 

[glpfun]

Whatever. Not everyone pays for their own testing. What is the point of vendor testing. Also what is the point of sending it in myself. It would have been the same result but I would have been out $400.

Vendor testing is a loose marker for quality. It’s not guaranteed but a vendor that has a history of frequent testing likely has good quality gear for the most part. If it’s important for you to know exactly what all your gear is testing at you need to pay for your own tests. The people who it really matters to test their own gear. If you can’t afford tests you can’t afford gear. Tired of people riding on someone else’s dime and still bitching. Pay for your own shit or shut up.

 

[chumpsickel]

Vendor testing is a loose marker for quality. It’s not guaranteed but a vendor that has a history of frequent testing likely has good quality gear for the most part. If it’s important for you to know exactly what all your gear is testing at you need to pay for your own tests. The people who it really matters to test their own gear. If you can’t afford tests you can’t afford gear. Tired of people riding on someone else’s dime and still bitching. Pay for your own shit or shut up.

The vendor offered to pay, so I sent a couple vials. The product came back with results that were not what was advertised and the results would imply that there is definitely potential for degradation when there is no vacuum. Do you use glp's or any other products when there is no vacuum?

This same vendor claimed to have never had dimer show in his GH. That is a pretty big statement but it proved to be false.

I can afford the "gear" but I don't think it should be on the member to test something when there is clearly an abnormality with the product. No vacuum is a definitely abnormal. If it was not abnormal, why do they even bother with the vacuum in the first place. We should inform all of the sources that they should save their money on the vacuum machine. If it breaks, hey don't worry we don't care.

 

[piggy_nui]

The vendor offered to pay, so I sent a couple vials. The product came back with results that were not what was advertised and the results would imply that there is definitely potential for degradation when there is no vacuum. Do you use glp's or any other products when there is no vacuum?

This same vendor claimed to have never had dimer show in his GH. That is a pretty big statement but it proved to be false.

I can afford the "gear" but I don't think it should be on the member to test something when there is clearly an abnormality with the product. No vacuum is a definitely abnormal. If it was not abnormal, why do they even bother with the vacuum in the first place. We should inform all of the sources that they should save their money on the vacuum machine. If it breaks, hey don't worry we don't care.

If the vendor offers to pay for the customer blind test, like several do, and the test comes up screwed, the vendor should replace the product. End of story. It’s bad faith if they don’t do it.