Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[Proud_papa_pump]

Is there a sku list for the anabolics? I still have 2 kits of oils I have no idea what they are as qsc gave me no response.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Don’t listen to his shit. Lobster is one of few vendors consistently selling high quality HGH. From what I remember there was one member who reported a single vial without vacuum. After that dozens of members have ordered and found no issues. Ghoul doesn’t buy HGH from anyone. He doesn’t use HGH. He doesn’t test any products. He just spouts nonsense he reads on the internet all day.

It was not a single vial; it has been every vial I have reconstituted. There were others that received vials without vacuum, but I don't think they wanted to come forward to voice their concerns after they observed the treatment I received.

I submitted 2 vials to Jano, and only 1 was tested to my knowledge. How can we know that 2 were not tested and only the best result was submitted? Also, how do you explain Lobster conveniently coming up with vials that he could not produce earlier? I think he is honestly just trying to protect his business. The vial I submitted came back with less than stellar results and I assume everyone thinks that I didn't store it properly. On my honor, I stored in the refrigerator as soon as I received it and even shipped my vials to Jano express shipping at Lobsters insistence. Let's not forget, that when they were shipped to me, they were not shipped express, and spent weeks in transit.

I have no doubt that Lobster produces some of the best GH on this forum, but I don't think he is infallible. He produced vials that had no vacuum and it was brought to the attention of the board before I made my purchase. I purchased after it was stated that the product in January would have vacuum. I was surprised when I reconstituted to find I was mislead. It was even stated that it would be a good idea to make buyers of the affected vials aware of the issue before purchase; that did not happen.

There are those that have said they would still use the product and honestly what choice do I have? It would be hard to justify throwing out GH that I paid good money for. I like that it reconstitutes crystal clear and no bubble form, but I do believe it either degraded from no vacuum or it was less than optimal when it was produced. My problem is I was under the assumption I would be getting the best there was to offer and not something that was already questioned by another member. Imagine ordering something from Amazon or any other online retailer and it comes to you with a defect. Would you accept the defect because it will still work, or would you want an undamaged product. Maybe a discount could have been offered for subpar GH.

I have lost faith in the members of this board that I originally had some regard for. I thought I was part of a harm reduction board where members had each others backs. There are some members here that do seem to be interested in harm reduction, but they are constantly criticized and I honestly don't know why they even bother trying to help. If there are those that find the harm reduction members annoying, why not just ignore them? I think if this would have been some other vendor, members would have stuck with me, but obviously there are people here that will believe anything Lobster tells them and are ready to bring out the pitchforks anytime he is questioned.

What does this mean:

Also, how do you explain Lobster conveniently coming up with vials that he could not produce earlier?

Are you talking about the vacuumless 50 IU vial that showed no deterioration after 6 months?




Otherwise as long as you're using it within 6 months, these tests suggest it should be good.

Also, Serostim is like 3% dimer and your vial was way less than that iirc.

 

[Kylesmith1985]

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Thanks but thats not congruent with the Skus I have. My skus are 8670/MAT2 and 8975/MAD7

 

[Juiced_lizard]

Thanks but thats not congruent with the Skus I have. My skus are 8670/MAT2 and 8975/MAD7

What did you order?

 

[BamaCrazy]

It was not a single vial; it has been every vial I have reconstituted. There were others that received vials without vacuum, but I don't think they wanted to come forward to voice their concerns after they observed the treatment I received.

I submitted 2 vials to Jano, and only 1 was tested to my knowledge. How can we know that 2 were not tested and only the best result was submitted? Also, how do you explain Lobster conveniently coming up with vials that he could not produce earlier? I think he is honestly just trying to protect his business. The vial I submitted came back with less than stellar results and I assume everyone thinks that I didn't store it properly. On my honor, I stored in the refrigerator as soon as I received it and even shipped my vials to Jano express shipping at Lobsters insistence. Let's not forget, that when they were shipped to me, they were not shipped express, and spent weeks in transit.

I have no doubt that Lobster produces some of the best GH on this forum, but I don't think he is infallible. He produced vials that had no vacuum and it was brought to the attention of the board before I made my purchase. I purchased after it was stated that the product in January would have vacuum. I was surprised when I reconstituted to find I was mislead. It was even stated that it would be a good idea to make buyers of the affected vials aware of the issue before purchase; that did not happen.

There are those that have said they would still use the product and honestly what choice do I have? It would be hard to justify throwing out GH that I paid good money for. I like that it reconstitutes crystal clear and no bubble form, but I do believe it either degraded from no vacuum or it was less than optimal when it was produced. My problem is I was under the assumption I would be getting the best there was to offer and not something that was already questioned by another member. Imagine ordering something from Amazon or any other online retailer and it comes to you with a defect. Would you accept the defect because it will still work, or would you want an undamaged product. Maybe a discount could have been offered for subpar GH.

I have lost faith in the members of this board that I originally had some regard for. I thought I was part of a harm reduction board where members had each others backs. There are some members here that do seem to be interested in harm reduction, but they are constantly criticized and I honestly don't know why they even bother trying to help. If there are those that find the harm reduction members annoying, why not just ignore them? I think if this would have been some other vendor, members would have stuck with me, but obviously there are people here that will believe anything Lobster tells them and are ready to bring out the pitchforks anytime he is questioned.

There have been several recent tests that have had very good results. I keep hearing about these other members who received product without a vacuum but I have yet to see proof they exist. I really don’t think anyone is afraid to report vials without vacuum. We’ve all received peptides without vacuum so it’s not a controversial topic. What’s controversial is whether there is loss of purity or effectiveness, or if there is potential harm.

And nobody has a problem with someone trying to reduce risks for our members. But some people just pretend to be experts about things they read online or ChatGPT produced. They are not customers of these sources. They don’t use the products they are criticizing, they don’t test shit, they don’t even test the products they use on themselves. They regurgitate things they read online and cause unnecessary drama and confusion. If you don’t have any skin in the game STFU.

 

[Kylesmith1985]

What did you order?

Test Cyp and Mast P USA warehouse.

 

[glpfun]

Mast p is worthless cmv

 

[chumpsickel]

What does this mean:



Are you talking about the vacuumless 50 IU vial that showed no deterioration after 6 months?


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Otherwise as long as you're using it within 6 months, these tests suggest it should be good.

Also, Serostim is like 3% dimer and your vial was way less than that iirc.

Did you not see the results of the vial I submitted? I am guessing you missed that because these are the only tests you are spreading around. I just think it is convenient that he just happened to find some vials that were supposedly from the same batch as mine. Believe what you want but how do you explain my vial testing subpar?

We are not discussing Serostim and I think most people are buying in hopes that the advertised testing is correct. I would think that if Serostim was saying it was 97% pure with no dimer, you might take issue with the results if they were not what was advertised.

Maybe a different analogy will help. Lets say you buy a new car and drive it home but there ends up being a scratch you did not see while it was on the car lot. Do you just accept it because it does not affect how the car operates? What you are telling me is I should live with the scratch because it does not affect the operation of the car.

If my vial does not demonstrate the potential for degradation with a vacuum less vial, then I guess it was never 97-98% purity and no dimer. Why not just buy the cheapest product there is if 95% purity and .214 dimer is acceptable?

 

[chumpsickel]

There have been several recent tests that have had very good results. I keep hearing about these other members who received product without a vacuum but I have yet to see proof they exist. I really don’t think anyone is afraid to report vials without vacuum. We’ve all received peptides without vacuum so it’s not a controversial topic. What’s controversial is whether there is loss of purity or effectiveness, or if there is potential harm.

And nobody has a problem with someone trying to reduce risks for our members. But some people just pretend to be experts about things they read online or ChatGPT produced. They are not customers of these sources. They don’t use the products they are criticizing, they don’t test shit, they don’t even test the products they use on themselves. They regurgitate things they read online and cause unnecessary drama and confusion. If you don’t have any skin in the game STFU.

I have had members contact me privately asking about the testing results before they came out. Why didn't they just post their question on the thread? Pitchforks is why.

 

[SBD1]

Mast p is worthless cmv

This is a wild statement

 

[glpfun]

This is a wild statement

Just don’t see a place for a short mast ester what’s the point. The only reason test prop still exists is because people want to run gear closer to trt bloodwork. Nobody is running prop to maintain stable serum levels of anything. Especially since mast is so mild, don’t feel any different running 300 mg vs a gram

 

[Dirthand]

I have had members contact me privately asking about the testing results before they came out. Why didn't they just post their question on the thread? Pitchforks is why.

Maybe chat peppys is a better place for people that are "afraid" of pitchforks. I haven't followed the situation closely. Was your product replaced or offered to be replaced? Your only a victim if you let yourself be? State what you want and get it.. move on...

 

[glpfun]

Nobody is “afraid” of negative responses from people in online communities that’s ridiculous

 

[AlexDavis43]

Did you not see the results of the vial I submitted? I am guessing you missed that because these are the only tests you are spreading around. I just think it is convenient that he just happened to find some vials that were supposedly from the same batch as mine. Believe what you want but how do you explain my vial testing subpar?

We are not discussing Serostim and I think most people are buying in hopes that the advertised testing is correct. I would think that if Serostim was saying it was 97% pure with no dimer, you might take issue with the results if they were not what was advertised.

Maybe a different analogy will help. Lets say you buy a new car and drive it home but there ends up being a scratch you did not see while it was on the car lot. Do you just accept it because it does not affect how the car operates? What you are telling me is I should live with the scratch because it does not affect the operation of the car.

If my vial does not demonstrate the potential for degradation with a vacuum less vial, then I guess it was never 97-98% purity and no dimer. Why not just buy the cheapest product there is if 95% purity and .214 dimer is acceptable?

Dude I only wrote 4 sentences and you couldn't be bothered to make it to the 4th before this wall of text?

I was asking if you were accusing Lobster of foul play. Thanks for clarifying.

On your other point: if you think you're going to see a big difference between 96% & 98% purity GH or 0% & 0.2% dimer, you don't have much experience with GH. Wrt your analogy, the scratch is like the 0.2% dimer. Not gonna affect how the GH operates.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I have had members contact me privately asking about the testing results before they came out. Why didn't they just post their question on the thread? Pitchforks is why.

If you call that a pitchfork, stick around for a while. More like an elderly cat lady aunt pinching you on the cheek.

You played this card in Lobster's thread but I couldn't find examples of anyone giving you a hard time. If I missed it, my bad.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Would you all please put down your pitchforks so people can complain in peace? I am shocked at all y’all’s behavior. Shocked and appalled.

Ok, maybe not shocked. Just amused. Carry on!

 

[chumpsickel]

Maybe chat peppys is a better place for people that are "afraid" of pitchforks. I haven't followed the situation closely. Was your product replaced or offered to be replaced? Your only a victim if you let yourself be? State what you want and get it.. move on...

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

 

[chumpsickel]

Dude I only wrote 4 sentences and you couldn't be bothered to make it to the 4th before this wall of text?

I was asking if you were accusing Lobster of foul play. Thanks for clarifying.

On your other point: if you think you're going to see a big difference between 96% & 98% purity GH or 0% & 0.2% dimer, you don't have much experience with GH. Wrt your analogy, the scratch is like the 0.2% dimer. Not gonna affect how the GH operates.

You keep missing the point. There is even a post where he commented on another vendors page about him never having dimer. That did not age well. You and Lobs must be tight because I believe you will continue to defend him no matter what. It was not 96%.

I hope you never have a product come back as less than advertised. If you do, I expect no complaining.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

Thanks again for clarifying. Not releasing the results from your second vial is shady. I didn't realize that's what happened.

And I also see why it seemed like we were disagreeing. We have different definitions of subpar when it comes to GH testing results. I think your gear looks good and you wouldn't experience any different effects if it was a percentage point higher in purity or 0.2% → 0% dimer.

 

[glpfun]

I sent a couple vials for testing and Lobster paid for it. Only 1 vial was tested to my knowledge. Jano will not release the information to me since I did not pay for it. The test results from my vial did not test well and he ended up coming up with some vials that were supposed to be made from the same batch and claimed they were also without vacuum. His vials tested well, and mine did not test that well. Other members keep trying to say that it still tested better than Serostim, but I think that misses the point.

It would be like you sending in a bottle of Super Shred or whatever they call it and it not testing well and then the vendor sends a different bottle in and it test well and the vendor basically implying that you didn't store it properly and that is why yours didn't test well.

I still believe if this would have happened with another vendor, more people would have had my back. As it stands, there were a lot of people that seem to have taken his testing as gospel, and I should be happy with the product I have received. Lobster has quite a few members that defend his product and fail to understand that maybe there could be a problem.

Make no mistake, I think Lobster probably produces some of the best GH on the forum. I just got unlucky when I ordered. Before I ordered the no vacuum issue was brought up and discussed at length. Lobster stated that the vials in January would have vacuum. I waited till mid January to order and was surprised when I ended up with vials that did not have vacuum.

I sent the vials for testing and honestly hoped that they would come back in Lobsters favor, but they did not. Now I am trying to use it as quick as possible to avoid any further degradation. I am up to 6iu a day when I only planned on being at a replacement dose.

I have moved on for the most part, but I keep seeing the testing shared for the vials he sent to Jano whenever a no vacuum issue is brought up. I think that if people want to share that testing, they should add a disclaimer that there was a vile submitted by a member that showed degradation. It either degraded or was produced and shipped as a subpar product.

Good luck getting Lobster to offer a refund or admit that he might have shipped a product that did not meet the advertised quality; he displays narcissistic behavior and gaslights when his product is called into question.

Easy solution, pay for your own testing like everyone else does