Injecting w a 29 g half inch insulin needle

[Ghoul]

I see, would you recommend SubQ with EOD injection frequency or not?

It doesn't matter that much.

Dont do sub Q, it only leads to huge welts and issues. 50 or more percent of people have problems sub q, and then 2 people will say it has worked for them, thus in 2 months they then say, it was a mistake. It happens constantly.

I've done thousands of pins SubQ, no problems with any volume .5ml or under. Peer reviewed studies published by National Institutes of Health confirms this.

Yes IM has greater volume capacity. Yes it has a faster absorbtion around 2.8x on average, but either way the gear is fully absorbed within 24 hours. It's not sitting there for weeks being slowly absorbed, that's absurd. The time lag to peak is 99% dependant on the ester.

What you have is a bunch of old timers who've spent years harpooning their asses with giant thick pins, needlessly, hitting nerves from time to time, aspirating to make sure they're not in an artery, building walls of scar tissue, insisting their suffering wasn't in vain because there can't possibly be another way.

 

[Black90tsi]

I see, would you recommend SubQ with EOD injection frequency or not?

I used to get small, sometimes sore bumps doing subq. Maybe every 3rd shot or so. No idea why it would sometimes and not others. I can tell you that when switching from subq to IM i noticed an immediate difference in how much i felt my dosing. Within a couple hours of my first IM shot i had that initial honeymoon period all over again. My energy level was increased, focus and drive was greater, etc. I wasn't expecting any changes between the administration methods and hadn't heard that there was. I just didn't want to get those painful lumps anymore.

I also noticed my test levels were higher at the same dose. Substantially higher. I know some people say that this shouldn't be the case. But it's my experience and from what my trt doc tells me it's not an uncommon thing. He wasn't surprised at all when it happened. I'm even running 20% less right now than i was the last time i had blood work done while doing subq shots and im still substantially higher in total and free t than i was then. Last subq was @ 150mg/week. My most recent blood work a couple weeks ago was @ 120mg/wk. I do every day micro doses if that makes a difference.

 

[jJjburton]

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It doesn't matter that much.

I've done thousands of pins SubQ, no problems with any volume .5ml or under. Peer reviewed studies published by National Institutes of Health confirms this.

Yes IM has greater volume capacity. Yes it has a faster absorbtion around 2.8x on average, but either way the gear is fully absorbed within 24 hours. It's not sitting there for weeks being slowly absorbed, that's absurd. The time lag to peak is 99% dependant on the ester.

What you have is a bunch of old timers who've spent years harpooning their asses with giant thick pins, needlessly, hitting nerves from time to time, aspirating to make sure they're not in an artery, building walls of scar tissue, insisting their suffering wasn't in vain because there can't possibly be another way.

Doesnt seem to be the case, you happen to be the person in my post i was talking about, one of them at least.

 

[Eddie.]

Man, i won't gonna propose you to pin subq, because if you end up doing it and experience some itching or redness and you body can't tolerate this type of injections you may come back and say shit.

I didn't have anyone to convince me, i read all the pros and cons of the 2 methods and started by the easiest and most convenient which is subq. If i was experiencing any sides of course i'd switch to IM but so far i'm pinning my asscheeks for 6 months every day with pharma and UGL, i've tried 3 different kinds of oil, currently pinning test and primo and didn't have a single bad shot or side effect.

No need to heat oil, no rotating sites, no scar tissue build up, no pain in the muscle etc. If a time comes that i won't tolerate sq then i will switch to IM.

 

[Fullchamber]

I don't know how much body fat you have but if reasonable then anywhere in the quad.

While putting in make sure it's perpendicular and push in slowly. You can feel likely feel veins and nerves sometimes that with a slight wiggle you can steer around.

Drawing out is fine but slow and backloading is a good call. You can order a 23 ga for drawing up and backload that into the 29. That's even better.

Yes done hundreds of times, only pip with MCT carrier. Grape seed much better imo.

I have noticed that it causes lump on skin. My question is does lump affect the absorption rate of substance? It takes a few days for me when the lump fully clears. If lump fully goes away does that mean the substance has been fully absorbed?

 

[grey]

My question is does lump affect the absorption rate of substance?

To a certain extent yes... the closer to SubQ the bolus (the lump) is vice IM the slower the rate generally tends to be. Not a big deal really though.

If lump fully goes away does that mean the substance has been fully absorbed

No, just means the bolus itself is broken up enough to not be easily detectable.

A half life is a half life.

 

[Venus33]

Hey there everyone, starting my first cycle soon of 300mg Test E weekly injected EOD, but my question is as follows:

I'm going to draw the oil and backload it into an insulin syringe that's 29 gauge 1/2 inch (12.7mm), will the needle be deep enough for subQ / shallow IM administration EOD?


Thank you in advance.

It will be deep enough to be absorved and too superficial aswell to form an uncomfortable lump. And the oíl going through so tiny needle could eventually explode in your hands making a mess and waste.

 

[simplysimple]

I have noticed that it causes lump on skin. My question is does lump affect the absorption rate of substance? It takes a few days for me when the lump fully clears. If lump fully goes away does that mean the substance has been fully absorbed?

I only get lump and PiP from MCT oil made by others.

Switched to brewing own which isn't for light hearted but had some of the tools needed already.

Now use grape seed oil and no lump no PiP.

The PiP on the MCT started to get so bad I couldn't have sex without getting boards for legs after about 5 mins of any position, strategically chose when to use stairs, and avoid croutching down at all costs!

Put some MCT oil on your hands and rub it in and see how they feel in a hour or so. Do this with grape seed oil after and you'll see what I mean.

 

[GirthyGainz]

i do subQ. Had issues with itching with GSO. started heating it and have since gone to UGL MCT oil and its good to go now.

 

[Justaguy99]

I switched to slip tip.
Draw with 25g.
Inject 27g.
Way better then when I used 29.

 

[GirthyGainz]

I switched to slip tip.
Draw with 25g.
Inject 27g.
Way better then when I used 29.

I find drawing and pinning is fine with the same pin. I just used a 28 easytouch tonight and it flowed fine when heated. May try a 29. Definitely makes a difference. Wondering if the advertised thinner walls of the BD are truly thinner than the easytouch for better flow. If so, could get away with a smaller gauge.

 

[Ghoul]

I switched to slip tip.
Draw with 25g.
Inject 27g.
Way better then when I used 29.

Get a thin wall 27G like BD Precisionglide or Eclipse and you can draw and inject with the same needle. Inner diameter the same as a 25g. Also BD are just the best in terms of comfort and minimizing scar tissue.

Better yet use an extraction spike and you can draw like the thickest oil is water since you connect with the luer lock and then attach the needle after it's filled.

 

[Ghoul]

I find drawing and pinning is fine with the same pin. I just used a 28 easytouch tonight and it flowed fine when heated. May try a 29. Definitely makes a difference. Wondering if the advertised thinner walls of the BD are truly thinner than the easytouch for better flow. If so, could get away with a smaller gauge.

Thin wall flows like one gauge larger.

BD Precisionglide are all thin wall.

BD Ultraglide are extra thin wall, like a needle 2 gauges larger, only available at 30g+ and are too fragile for oils in my opinion.

These, ultra thin wall Japanese needles are reinforced for high pressure to inject thick fillers so are stout, flow like 2.5 gauges larger, are reasonably priced, and available in many sizes down to 27g. They're designed to minimize scarring since they're used to repeatedly inject, not just once. I have a box of 29g 1/2" on the way to see if i can inject at the same speed as my 27g Precisionglide but reduce odds of scarring to an absolute minimum.

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