Female Fake Orgasm & Infidelity

[Michael Scally MD]

Ellsworth R, Bailey D. Human Female Orgasm as Evolved Signal: A Test of Two Hypotheses. Archives of Sexual Behavior 2013:1-10. Human Female Orgasm as Evolved Signal: A Test of Two Hypotheses - Online First - Springer

We present the results of a study designed to empirically test predictions derived from two hypotheses regarding human female orgasm behavior as an evolved communicative trait or signal.

One hypothesis tested was the female fidelity hypothesis, which posits that human female orgasm signals a woman’s sexual satisfaction and therefore her likelihood of future fidelity to a partner.

The other was sire choice hypothesis, which posits that women’s orgasm behavior signals increased chances of fertilization.

To test the two hypotheses of human female orgasm, we administered a questionnaire to 138 females and 121 males who reported that they were currently in a romantic relationship.

Key predictions of the female fidelity hypothesis were not supported. In particular, orgasm was not associated with female sexual fidelity nor was orgasm associated with male perceptions of partner sexual fidelity. However, faked orgasm was associated with female sexual infidelity and lower male relationship satisfaction.

Overall, results were in greater support of the sire choice signaling hypothesis than the female fidelity hypothesis. Results also suggest that male satisfaction with, investment in, and sexual fidelity to a mate are benefits that favored the selection of orgasmic signaling in ancestral females.

 

[Dr JIM]

Very interesting study DOC but what gold standard did the researchers use to determine a "female orgasm" occurred?

It's very difficult to do even under strictly controlled circumstances unlike male orgasm which is the equivalent of ejaculation.

Best
JIM

 

[radcon]

I wouldn't think it would be that hard to monitor. Spasming of the pubococcygeus muscles is a pretty strong indicator. Just monitor the winking brown star...[)] But seriously.

 

[Dr JIM]

Unfortunately the PCG muscle has both voluntary and involuntary PNS innervation, unlike the male ejaculatory mechanism.

Moreover reproducible female "orgasmic criterion" such as the duration, frequency or amplitude of PGC or vaginal wall, contractions are NOT scientifically defined since "every female is different as is their orgasm".

The male orgasm in contradistinction can be placed in a jar, now that's reasonably objective and on a comparative basis the difference between night and day.

 

[biceps72]

Very interesting study DOC but what gold standard did the researchers use to determine a "female orgasm" occurred?

It's very difficult to do even under strictly controlled circumstances unlike male orgasm which is the equivalent of ejaculation.

Best
JIM

it can be done neurologically!

 

[radcon]

I don't disagree. But I would think that if you did monitor the muscle contractions of the PCG muscles of a female during sexual stimulation through orgasm that you would see a distinct pattern of contraction that would stand out during orgasm. I realize it's also a voluntary muscle and a female might possibly be able to fake this but the majority probably wouldn't even be aware of "faking" in this way.

 

[Dr JIM]

QUOTE you would see a distinct pattern of contraction.

Fact is the pattern, location, duration and "severity" is so inconsistent that it can NOT be quantifiably reproduced as among females with orgasms.

This problem creates considerably difficulty discerning and differentiating literature involving this topic since no well established benchmark is known. Which is why I asked the question of my colleague Dr S

I'm aware of three "types" variously described in the literature.
1) Vaginal wall
2) Cervical
3) PCG

Neither are mutually inclusive or exclusive and in fact some females ("about 15%") have none of the above!

JIM

 

[radcon]

We'll I'm certainly not an expert regarding the literature on female orgasms. It's just surprising to me that there isn't an objective measure for female orgasm.

Considering we know that arousal takes place by way of the parasympathetic nervous system and orgasm by way of the sympathetic nervous system, it would seem like there would be a way to get a pretty decent objective measure.
Thinks like:
- pupil dilation
- blood pressure
- heart rate
- skin flushing
- etc

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea but ALL of those you listed are commonalities of sexual interactions alone and most certainly NOT exclusive to female orgasmic activity.

 

[smiles]

one way always have been able to tell when they start shaking and trying to squirm your dick out while say oh god oh god... lol

 

[Demondosage]

Who the hell cares, just get yours and blow it in their face. They always have too much shit on their minds to relax and enjoy it anyways.

 

[smiles]

I do enjoy passing out facials... not all women though, some days its pretty easy and some days its a litter harder... that all depends on the women and the man she is with, life that she live, ect...

 

[Michael Scally MD]

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[smiles]

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Oh no better way to keep tabs... Lol what is the world coming to.... Lol

 

[BBC3]

I am with you here Jim and applaud your precision to date. I will add to this thread whunst I am not driving. Lol

 

[BBC3]

On the very night me and my wife re-united after 2 months and the longest time we have ever had a fight. The time which she actually cheated on me and told me every single detail (as I demanded in order to participate), and inclusive of even which leg he fire ejaculations across. The fact that HE was a person who I endeavored to TRUST yet KNEW he was NOT capable. And just that same as I KNEW she was.

The FIRST thing the told me, the first words our of her mouth within the first 4 minutes of conversations was the PROCLAMATION that "I told him he made me cum"... Of course you can see the multitude of ways which my mind can go with this. So I will leave it to the readers for now... But I found it an interesting thread considering..

I will offer the quandary of knowing INTIMATELY the details of his sexual capacity in conversation. I will also offer the fact that she stated his cock was fatter than mine, but not as long. I will offer the fact that he is a little bitch rat, who's hips would have allowed his nasty rat little pubic mound access mine can not acquire. I will offer the fact that in lack of extra circucmstance, I know she cant cum with a cock in her, at least the first bolt. I will offer the fact that when I tested her honesty and said, "I bet you got your money's worth and bit off more than you can chew", she replied without hesitation - "yes, my God, it went of forever, i just wanted him off me..." At the same time I will say she went back for it two more times after that and within one week. I will say how she was in tears telling me how it hurt her so badly to listen to my v/m Announcement knowing I would not answer... I will go on to say that she seemed so ecstatic to reach down and tweak that bean EVEN on our first re-encounter exclaiming how great it was to cum with me as she would never show him that side of her. She stated in summary that it was all a combination of getting to me, hurting herself, doing something irreversible, and enjoying a freaky fling. There are two other men in her life that she has admitted have made her cum from sex along. Neither necc fit that description.

But the moral is that she announced to me QUICKLY that "she told him she made her cum". The question is was it as REWARD for me to prove how badly she missed me. OR was it a cover up to hide the fact that now a third has done it when I have not... Should this have been a pole...?

I offered her two options. First she could take the new relationsionship and acknowledge the boredom of the regular relationship and start to go on the hunt together as a team. OR she could accept the HURT ME and reap the consequences. She pretended to play along with the NEW us on the first night slowly moving toward advising me "it was not all its cracked up to be" and turning to deal with the consequences. They are not what she expected - I assure..

This will be re-itterated in the DEALING WITH TODAY'S Woman Thread I have going. There is a lot to shed there which I withhold for a reason. The reason is NOT to DILUTE. ITs not to FORGET. Its NOT to censor. Its NOT cause I dont have the balls to move it forward. I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE HOLD UP IS. But I WAIT till the time is right. I will know when that is... At that time, the truth with be told as it is and UNEDITED as ALWAYS.. And you KNOW my memory is not unlike an ELEPHANT, as is my waistline these days... JK. The new me is on the horizon... We are dealing with a very hurt little girl here. We are dealing with one that I love more that life its self. I will prevail. I WILL DESTROY THIS DEVIL WHICH HAUNTS HER.....! I AM - MUTHERFUCKER.. I AM.....