narta
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If one can control estrogen on deca, it has by far the best anabolic to risk ratio of any steroid. On the plus, joints feel good, very important after they accumulated strain from training.
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Talk me into NPP
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Zirpon
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if you catch it early it will be ok. don't ever use caber i feel like shit when i use caber. the thing is i got gyno when i combined deca with GH and test. i don't have enough experience with deca and test without GH to say if it causes gyno but i think you will be ok using deca + test if you control e2 and don't go to high on the deca.
effswithtren
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Yeah you’ll want to see how you react to it. Usually people are fine but some people for whatever reason it makes them like mega super depressed. But it’s a great compound if you don’t kill yourself.
Juicedhead
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NPP is amazing compound for all out mass especially when combined with testosterone at a moderate dose My go to stack for mass would be 750-1g test with nandro either npp at maybe 4-500mg or good ole deca at same dose but mind you npp gives better gains imo and i will always use fast acting drugs over long acting if they are available for that compoound main reason being becasue i can rotate better that way. If size is what you want and pea size balls then NsmallPP is a good choice
Juicedhead
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I can vouch for this my first go with nandrolone i was depressed as a 16 year old girl who just got dumped by her bf . Seriously if you are not a really stable person mentally or are in between a rock and a hard place in life start small and just see how you feel because it hits hard and youre just waking thikning man wtf i feel horrible today and my dumbass never blames gear so i would just call my gf and bitch at her or something but as soon as i stopped it i noticed immediete releif almost. That beling said , second run with it not depression at all actuallty had a euphoric feeling slmost (then again i ran dbol with it) but just be careful with nandrolone that way
Edit: my first run with nadrolone i was only 19 so that could have been the issue i was too young my second run i wa 26
Whopperflopper
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Test/Tren made me big and strong, acne sucked, felt Alpha.
Test/Deca made me big, fast. Up 2 shirt sizes, noticeably " On" something. No acne, dick quit working for a bit post cycle, libido took hit then too, while still on 200mg week test cruise.
Joints felt good, lots water, just give it a try.
Test/Deca made me big, fast. Up 2 shirt sizes, noticeably " On" something. No acne, dick quit working for a bit post cycle, libido took hit then too, while still on 200mg week test cruise.
Joints felt good, lots water, just give it a try.
narta
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Next on the menu test/tren/deca
P5P has to be used upfront. It won't help once prolactin is already out of range. If you control your E2 you shouldn't have to worry about it anyways unless you smoke a lot of weed or take kratom
LarryLove
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Phenomenal compound. I think someone already mentioned it, stay away from caber. Caber fucks with dopamine regulation. They give it to Parkinson’s patients. Most people have zero issues with prolactin anyway running npp.
bigboy420
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What do you mean if you smoke alot of weed? I smoke alot and im gonna run 200test 300npp. I actually get prone to crying when i smoke. Should i be worried?
What research says kratom affects E2? This is typical of the sites I've come across regarding estrogen and kratom,
Kratom and Estrogen
No studies currently isolate the effect of kratom on the hormone estrogen. Nonetheless, estrogen production is connected to FSH, and LH mentioned in the section above. According to current studies, kratom does not affect either one of them.Since nothing currently indicates a link between kratom and hormones, it’s important to approach hormonal issues holistically.
Weed raises estrogen levels
I believe Kratom affects prolactin not estrogen. I guess my post wasn't clear on that.
I've always had the belief that weed raises estrogen. I'll have to dig around and find some information to back that up tho.
Edit: I also smoke regularly for the record. I feel like cannabis is actually a good tool for bodybuilding if used in moderation. Better appetite and sleep, less stress.
It’s readily available with a quick google search it does raise estrogen
bigboy420
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But how much ya know. Enuff to have problems with 200mg test and 300mg npp? lets hope not. LESS THAN ALCKOHOL for sure atleast
Just like with anything else that’s all individual response but seems to be across the board for men and women both
I would assume less than alcohol. Probably less than testosterone injections even. But if your already prone to high estrogen it could be something to be aware of.
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