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Labmax test results

RezAtDorsia said:
gram and a half of EQ would make your blood thicker than peanut butter! Got hematocrit? lol
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That's what has been going on out there. The "more is better" thing without question applies to primo. 1,400mg of primo is better than 800mg as there is no downside to Primo.
This in no way applies to EQ. And it's being shown what has been suspected in many instances....EQ being substituted and being passed off as Primo.
 
Great thread, I can't wait to order one of the lab max kits and find out if the gear I'm running is gtg. I am going to have to wait to order the kits until later on next month when primo and mast e are added. I contacted the supplier and they confirmed that they are actively working on it. This will make things much safer for all of us. I also have anavar from a couple different well respected sources that I would like to check out.
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
I actually prefer an IGF1 test then a HGH serum test when it comes to testing HGH in the blood. They are just a little more expensive. I honestly don't know of anyone that actually took ghrp-6 and then got their IGF1 levels checked or a HGH serum test. Their might be some of these tests at ProMuscle. Maybe Muscle96ss would have some insight on this. He is a well respeceted member of the community, and I think he has been at ProMuscle since they opened.
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There is actually a anti-aging doc on the board named alpha that has done a lot of testing with the peptides out of intrigue. If I recall correctly he was able to get a decent serum GH reading mixing a few different peptides, but the peak was way before the times we were using for the serum tests when using GH. In other words, it wouldn't be possible to replicate the numbers we are getting with the GH serum tests between the 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour mark with peptides. If you read through the peptide section over at ProM there are a ton of real good threads he has done. The guy seems to be really intrigued by the peptides and took his knowledge of science and combined it with real life testing on himself to get some answers to a lot of questions.
 
biggerben69 said:
Hello again, 96. Yes, rajjin is here. The Doc is a wealth of information. I can't always follow as the terminology and such is a bit over my head. I've never used generic gh of any kind. I've got a bag full of serostim though. I've been back "on" now for a few weeks. About 4iu/ed is where I'm at.
A couple of things trouble me in regards to generic gh of any kind. I always try and post up what I believe to be the truth. The first is that the the one generic that has "Consistently" tested out strong has been riptropin. I'll qualify that by saying not ALL rips. There are 2 authorized distributors of riptropins(as far as I know). The 2 being TP and HK(u mentioned him).
There is a fella here that is trusted and gets up a group purchase of rips every month or 2 as he is in with HK. As long as the kits originated with 1 of the 2 all is well.
HK(maybe TP?) also has hygies on the menu. HK will tell u the best GH he carries are the rips and I'm certain this is his belief based on the high test scores over and over.
The situation many new guys find themselves in is not knowing where the gh kits they are buying are from. Over at promuscle there was hulk selling fake rips that he made in his kitchen? Also, TP wants copies of your birth certificate and DL as well as emails from well known gear sources? Hoops everywhere that many of our guys being new just can't get up and through. They end up being talked into buying from pacman/horizon and get shit.
Also, the water guys are holding from rips is in some instances ridiculous. Some say it clears up after a time and if sodium intake is watched its not as bad. I know some fellas that are like a sponge no matter what the diet is like?
My question is, what is in these rips that is causing this massive bloating? The other thing is many guys are saying that if they didn't have a date to dial in for(competition) they wouldn't even bother with rips? They are saying that you only get the cosmetic benefits from rips when you stop taking them and shed the h2o. Staying on hides the good stuff its doing.
The water isn't present with seros or any pharm grade gh. What filler is in those things causing the bloat?
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In regards to the Rips, I know what you are talking about in terms of the water. I put on some weight the first week I switched over to the Rips. It all came off quickly but that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone. I have 2 close friends that normally go in on my GH orders and 1 of them ended up giving them back to me because he hated the water(said the same about the Elitropin which was surprising) and the other stuck with it for a while but has since switched over to Hyges. He tells me that the GH is definitely strong and definitely working but with the water he just doesn't like the look. So, I am not why that happens to some people; I have several theories but none of them are really based on science. I don't think its the fillers themselves as I don't know why they would use any different fillers than anybody else and its not like fillers are costly. The tests at Professional Muscle only tested the GH(protein contents) so it would be useful if we could get some kind of actual lab test that does an analysis of the entire contents. Dr. Jim, do you have that capability? This would not only greatly help out the community but from a personal perspective it could give you some answers since you are so doubtful that there is any GH at all in the Chinese generics.
 
I could search for it and find it. Now mind you I'm talking about a batch I had from 6 months ago so I wont speak for anything he sells now but what I HAD was good and I still have some from that batch.

ItalianMuscle27 said:
You can test anavar with the labmax kit..



A vip member at another forum I am on, had a serum test done on Scitropin, 10ius injected 3 hours before blood was drawn, and his serum score was 3.9.. That is pretty bad, when others test in the high 20s and 30s.



And who did this Mass Spec test and where is it at?
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ItalianMuscle27 said:
HKs rips have already been tested, a lot! The rips are the only consistant generic on the market. Ive never heard a bad report on them. From the reports from users, etc.. each vial is actually 13iu, not 10iu.
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Thus far on Meso I have seen ONE serum test on RIPS, ONE and if i recall correctly it was posted by Gunrunner.

Can anyone direct mr to ANY site where this information is legitimately posted based of a serum lab test, the legit HPLC assay or any other form of less sensitive testing such as an immunoassay.

Finally why are folks NOT more skeptical about ANY product which is being sold ON AVERAGE at no more than 20% of fair market value? I mean come on guys Pharm grade Humatrope will cost roughly $5-8 / IU and considerably more IF purchased in a pharmacy without insurance yet some are suggesting RIPs are sold at roughly $2.00/IU.

Now that means a "10 IU vial" costs roughly TWENTY BUCKS, sorry NO ONE MAKES and SELLS legit GH that cheap NO ONE!

Now I suppose, based on reports from forums I've read, Rips have GH in that vial, but the concentrate is being misrepresented and extrapolated by resellers. Why do am I convinced this is the case? Because NO LAB reports or measures rHGH in IU bio-equivalents and because of simple economics!

Now I will be more than happy to answer all those nastygram rebuttals, ONCE someone responds to ALL of my queries in kind.

JIM
 
Dr JIM said:
Thus far on Meso I have seen ONE serum test on RIPS, ONE and if i recall correctly it was posted by Gunrunner.

Can anyone direct mr to ANY site where this information is legitimately posted based of a serum lab test, the legit HPLC assay or any other form of less sensitive testing such as an immunoassay.

Finally why are folks NOT more skeptical about ANY product which is being sold ON AVERAGE at no more than 20% of fair market value? I mean come on guys Pharm grade Humatrope will cost roughly $5-8 / IU and considerably more IF purchased in a pharmacy without insurance yet some are suggesting RIPs are sold at roughly $2.00/IU.

Now that means a "10 IU vial" costs roughly TWENTY BUCKS, sorry NO ONE MAKES and SELLS legit GH that cheap NO ONE!

Now I suppose, based on reports from forums I've read, Rips have GH in that vial, but the concentrate is being misrepresented and extrapolated by resellers. Why do am I convinced this is the case? Because NO LAB reports or measures rHGH in IU bio-equivalents and because of simple economics!

Now I will be more than happy to answer all those nastygram rebuttals, ONCE someone responds to ALL of my queries in kind.

JIM
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As Bigben said Rajin is a member here. Send him a PM and he can get you ALL the information regarding the 100% legitimate lab tests performed on the Rips from over at Professional Muscle. In fact they were performed on a few of the top brands on PM at the time as everyone was suspicious at the time such as you are here(and one of them was found to have no GH at all). If you want to see serum results on Rips then you may also goto PM as there are probably around 50 different ones posted with scans as opposed to someone just saying so. In fact do an internet search, Rips has been serum tested extensively and is the only Chinese brand currently that I can say consistently tests well. Do some research on your own as I don't have any special access to some secret information that people are witholding from you. All the information that I am posting is information that is out there and not hard to find. Or you can take a vial of Rips to your lab and have it analyzed. I would be more than happy to send you one and I am sure there are others whom you probably trust more than me that would send you vial as well. You make a lot of allegations based on theory and not fact. In addition the actual physical proof contradicts what you say. All you need to do is open your eyes and look at whats in front of you.

Lastly, do you think the price of U.S. pharm grade GH is based on the actual cost of manufacturing the item? Take a look at any name brand pharmaceutical item and then look at the price of the U.S. generic. Then tell me that the price has anything to do with the cost of manufacturing it. Please tell me you know better than that. The Chinese can easily afford to put real GH in the vials and some of them actually do.
 
I good mate of mine hooked me up with a few on PM!

I'm reviewing them now but I believe it worrisome a third party FORUM such as PM is the third party connection, that is between the "lab" performing the study and those mates who request it.

It begs the question what vested interest does PM have in the results?

I know I'm playing devils advocate, but considering the nature of the "GH business" historically there is no alternative, IMO!

JIM
 
Dr JIM said:
I good mate of mine hooked me up with a few on PM!

I'm reviewing them now but I believe it worrisome a third party FORUM such as PM is the third party connection, that is between the "lab" performing the study and those mates who request it.

It begs the question what vested interest does PM have in the results?

I know I'm playing devils advocate, but considering the nature of the "GH business" historically there is no alternative, IMO!

JIM
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In terms of there being a vested interest, one of the sponsors GH came back completely bunk and as a result the board lost a sponsor. In addition, the money going to the lab came from the board members, me included. In addition, the best results of all of the generics came from the Rips, but The Provider(who is the only source allowed to sell Rips on PM other than those he authorizes as resellers) admittedly was not happy with the purity portion of the results and has vowed to improve the product. So if the test was going to support vested interests you would think that it would make everyone look good whereas here even the best had faults. Lastly, talk to Rajin. I am 100% positive once you communicate with him that all your questions will be answered and you will better understand everything.
 
flenser said:
Geneza var - pass

I included the (aging) winny test and an unopened test vial for reference. The Genza var is on the right.

12321
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I had no doubt that the GP Var was real because I have used it before. But seeing the test results is reassuring. Thanks for the testing Flenser. Mucho good karma for you man! Thanks!
 
Results Updated 12/26/13

RESULTS

Bio var – PASS
GP winny – PASS
Sciroxx var – FAIL it was dbol
Humana Life Group Test E- PASS
Geneza Test C- PASS
Astro Labs Test E- PASS
Biologic Test E- PASS
PEP Test E- PASS
Watson Test C- PASS
Sciroxx Test C- PASS take this with a grain of salt
Astro Mast P – PASS
AMA Mast P – FAIL
BIO Deca – PASS
Astro Tren A – PASS
PEP var caps – PASS
Sciroxx Deca - FAIL
Balkan Deca - PASS
Paki Organon from Naps - PASS
Sciroxx Mast P – PASS
AMA Labs Mast P - FAIL (2nd FAIL)
Ascendent Labs Tren E - PASS
Astro Deca – PASS
Legend Pharmaceuticals Anavar- PASS
PEP Winny – PASS
GP Var from Naps – PASS
 
Thanks King
I am a little OCD and thought the dates would be nice for future ref.

fit2beking said:
Results Updated 12/26/13

RESULTS

AMA Mast P – FAIL 12/14/12
AMA Labs Mast P - FAIL (2nd FAIL) 12/22/13

Ascendent Labs Tren E – PASS 12/22/13

Astro Deca – PASS 12/22/13
Astro Mast P – PASS 12/14/13
Astro Labs Test E- PASS 12/12/13
Astro Tren A – PASS 12/15/13

Balkan Deca – PASS 12/22/13

Bio var – PASS 12/10/13
BIO Deca – PASS 12/14/13
Biologic Test E- PASS 12/12/13

Geneza Test C- PASS 12/12/13
GP winny – PASS 12/10/13
GP Var from Naps – PASS 12/26/13

Humana Life Group Test E- PASS 12/12/13

Legend Pharmaceuticals Anavar- PASS 12/22/13

Paki Organon from Naps – PASS 12/22/13

PEP Test E- PASS 12/12/13
PEP var caps – PASS 12/20/23
PEP Winny – PASS 12/26/13

Sciroxx var – FAIL it was dbol 12/12/13
Sciroxx Deca – FAIL 12/22/13
Sciroxx Mast P – PASS 12/22/13
Sciroxx Test C- PASS take this with a grain of salt 12/12/13

Watson Test C- PASS 12/12/13
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