Are the steps outlined specific to homebrews? Maybe my risk tolerance is high after a year of taking UGL gear raw with no adverse events but the first spike seems unnecessary.
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Ghoul
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No adverse events? I doubt you'd sense the incremental progress of, for instance, joint damage from reactive arthritis, or your organs being slowly degraded by microembolisms from injecting a steady supply of particulate contamination.
You mean "I haven't lost an ass cheek so everything's fine".
What do you think happens to the glass, rubber, and metal sub-visible particles you're injecting? They politely make their way to your digestive system for excretion? Or perhaps we evolved to develop "glass dissolving enzymes" that break those shards down and render them harmless?
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AlexDavis43
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It's not correct, vendor make blend brewing things together, that's a lot different than brewing separately and than mixing it together
It's not that much different.
Yes. No big difference from mixing them in the same syringe.
To be clear, I'm not discounting the risk entirely and interested in harm reduction. Just genuinely curious what the reasoning is for using two vial spikes as described by @PayPig99 if the oil makes it through a syringe filter at .22um from the first vial without issue. Is that unlikely? Totally on board with using a filtered spike on the vial you intend to administer from. I'm clumsy as fuck so I'd like to stick with 10ml vials and the mini spikes add up quickly...
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Ghoul
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The filtered vial spike serves two functions. One is the deal with the particulates from the new vial (or even existing vial if reused), second is to prevent the development of rubber coring particles from repeatedly penetrating the rubber stopper with the needle (this has the added benefit of not requiring a separate drawing needle, or keeping the needle sharp, if using one for both).
However, I recently came across a source of inexpensive vials that are certified particulate free by USP standards.
With these, it would be better to use a spike without a liquid filter.
ALK-10ml-20mm Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial, Silver, Qty 1 | Med Lab Supply
In order to receive vials in sealed shrink wrap boxes, please order in multiples of 25
Here's another good source for the same brand by the caseThe filtered vial spike serves two functions. One is the deal with the particulates from the new vial (or even existing vial if reused), second is to prevent the development of rubber coring particles from repeatedly penetrating the rubber stopper with the needle (this has the added benefit of not requiring a separate drawing needle, or keeping the needle sharp, if using one for both).
However, I recently came across a source of inexpensive vials that are certified particulate free by USP standards.
With these, it would be better to use a spike without a liquid filter.
ALK-10ml-20mm Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial, Silver, Qty 1 | Med Lab Supply
In order to receive vials in sealed shrink wrap boxes, please order in multiples of 25www.medical-and-lab-supplies.com
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Not to belabor the point but I seem to be missing something. If I have no issues pushing oil from the source vial through the syringe filter, am I good to skip the first spike?The filtered vial spike serves two functions. One is the deal with the particulates from the new vial (or even existing vial if reused), second is to prevent the development of rubber coring particles from repeatedly penetrating the rubber stopper with the needle (this has the added benefit of not requiring a separate drawing needle, or keeping the needle sharp, if using one for both).
However, I recently came across a source of inexpensive vials that are certified particulate free by USP standards.
With these, it would be better to use a spike without a liquid filter.
ALK-10ml-20mm Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial, Silver, Qty 1 | Med Lab Supply
In order to receive vials in sealed shrink wrap boxes, please order in multiples of 25
There is no reason, I missed that.
Of course..the first spike in that step has no reason to exist
They are certified particulate free before using it, after I doubt it will be particulate free as coring can happen. So the liquid filter should still be used isn't it? Or am I missing something?The filtered vial spike serves two functions. One is the deal with the particulates from the new vial (or even existing vial if reused), second is to prevent the development of rubber coring particles from repeatedly penetrating the rubber stopper with the needle (this has the added benefit of not requiring a separate drawing needle, or keeping the needle sharp, if using one for both).
However, I recently came across a source of inexpensive vials that are certified particulate free by USP standards.
With these, it would be better to use a spike without a liquid filter.
ALK-10ml-20mm Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial, Silver, Qty 1 | Med Lab Supply
In order to receive vials in sealed shrink wrap boxes, please order in multiples of 25
Thanks...was starting to feel a little slow lol. For clarity, is the purpose of the syringe filter to ensure sterility?
Yeah I'd want to filter directly before administration regardless. Seems kind of pointless to go through all this and still have non-zero risk. And we're not exactly in the best regulatory climate atm.
Chat gpt for mixing steroids in a large vial:
Yes, the mixture that you prepare will be homogeneous provided that you mix the different steroids (Testo, Primo, Deca) well before injection, to guarantee uniform distribution of the active ingredients in the solution. Oils like those used for these steroids are generally well soluble with each other, but regular stirring or squeezing is recommended, especially if the mixture is stored for any length of time.
Make sure the oils do not separate over time. If this happens, you can warm the solution slightly (around 37-40°C) and shake gently before using. This helps ensure that the concentration of each steroid remains constant with each injection.
Yes, the mixture that you prepare will be homogeneous provided that you mix the different steroids (Testo, Primo, Deca) well before injection, to guarantee uniform distribution of the active ingredients in the solution. Oils like those used for these steroids are generally well soluble with each other, but regular stirring or squeezing is recommended, especially if the mixture is stored for any length of time.
Make sure the oils do not separate over time. If this happens, you can warm the solution slightly (around 37-40°C) and shake gently before using. This helps ensure that the concentration of each steroid remains constant with each injection.
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It's blunt needle, it will probably destroy the stopper every time you use it. It's not for drawing from a vial but from ampoules.J'ai encore un doute, dès que j'aurai fini ce flacon de 20 ml je passerai à l'aiguille filtrante de 5 microns
boite de 100 aiguilles 5 microns 0,38€
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Right @Ghoul ?
egruberman
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It's not uncommon. I certainly do. Presently, I filter Test C and Primo at a 2:1 ratio into a 30ml vial. Do the ol' warm and shake.
bigMoJo
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Just so you know, the use of Chat GPT for "medical" advice and the like is strictly against OpenAI's Usage Policies...
This is also because Chat GPT and other AI have a serious flaw known as "hallucinations," where it will spit out "false information as if it were true."
These AI's—among their other defects—"lack the logical reasoning to tell if what they're saying is correct."
If you want to use Chat GPT for your AAS use, I don't think it's a good approach to "harm reduction."
Several others have shared this opinion. However, IMO—looking through the lens of "accuracy"—I can't trust that the dosage/concentration of each substance is consistently reliable. Maybe it's close, or even dead accurate when "shaken" well. How can one be sure?
Personally, I inject ED because I want my levels to be as stable as possible. Others, who may not want to "pin" as frequent, may choose to once or twice a week. For me, the stable levels allow me to make minute adjustments as I may need. I also go off of the Jano test results on a source's substance, not the "advertised" dose. The accuracy of the dosage is vital to my data and plans.
Having said that, others may not be as concerned with exact dosages. That's not necessarily "harmful." If it's "close enough" for your needs, I don't see any harm in that. However, I can't say that it's "accurate."
egruberman
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This is somewhat accurate. They’re not “AI” as such. I hate the use of that term. They are large language models. All they do is guess the most likely sequence of words based on the prompt (and the instructions fed to the LLM that preface every prompt). This leads to a lot of amazingly correct looking responses, but also a lot of hallucinations, as you say.
That explanation is predicated on a simple architecture. That is, a single LLM attached to a basic chatbot front end. Lately, the most common chat bots will query the web, parse the results and offer an explanation. This is referred to as “RAG” or retrieval automated generation. It ideally yields fewer hallucinations.
In addition to that there is often upstream query processing that may occur which could trigger responses from different models optimized for a particular task. An LLM specifically tuned to parse a query may then trigger a model that is optimized for math, reasoning, or code generation.
Regardless, your point is valid. Don’t trust a chatbot implicitly. However, one can ask a question, and then request references. I’ll often ask something like, “does the literature reflect blah conclusion”. Then “give me specific citations”. Depending on the question I may end up with a number of different studies or references. From there , if I care enough, I’ll run it all through notebookLM and look for specific support for whatever conclusion I’m chasing.
Different esters have varying levels of solubility in MCT oil. Presuming there is sufficient BB in the final solution to keep the esters in solution, there is no reason to believe that the solution would not become homogenous.
In my case, both test C and primo E 250mg/ml and 200mg/ml respectively require similar amounts of BB to remain in solution in MCT oil.
I bought lots of spikes but it was not possible to take several compounds with the same syringe without injecting air, which is why I opted for the mixture in a large vial.
I'll have to find some non-blunt needles with filters in Europe at a good price, I can't find them at the moment.
If anyone has a link...
I'll have to find some non-blunt needles with filters in Europe at a good price, I can't find them at the moment.
If anyone has a link...
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