Mads
Member
Yeah sounds like a one way ticket to prison in my country. Granted im from a beta male country who treat steroids users like child rapists
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Mads
Member
When do people on average get tested prior to a PCT? 2 months?
Opportunity
New Member
In my opinion 8 weeks after start the HCG, it's enough to check if everything is running good.
Do you have easy acess to do blood test ?
Mads
Member
Yes, i was open about my 11 years usage to my doc and he agreed to test my Gonadal parameters
laclark89
Well-known Member
That’s why they just started or made legal, assisted suicide, ease their pain.
Feeling a little down? Just head down to the hospital and they will put you out for the long nap.
From a European perspective, though (and if anabolics are not one's priority) they are regarded as providing the opposite of that.
They are considered to be a good place, for quality of life, social stability (although that is crumbling, imo, due to high immigration numbers) and welfare.
But yes, when it comes to OP's issues, it sucks.
Any news on managing to obtain what you need?
UncleBuns
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I've been there. The average quality of life is WAY better than for the average person in the USA. WAY WAY better. Great health care. Really good education.. Way more paid time off. If you have a child you get a lot of paid time off. On and on. If you lose your job, you won't become homeless and discarded in the street. Not even comparable in my opinion. There literally are no poor people there. Poor means you have absolutely everything you need, but you don't have much disposable income to spend on luxury things.
The downside is you can't really get rich there either. I mean, you can, but not like in the US. Rich people in those places don't even come close to how rich you can become in the United States. Basically everybody has been consolidated towards the middle of the economic spectrum.
Honestly, for the average person, which is the vast majority of people, the way the Scandinavians do it is better. As far as the social rules and restrictions though I definitely like USA better. I went to major cities there and didn't see one single homeless person. Not 1! Didn't see anybody nodding out in a stairwell it or begging for money for meth or whatever. You should go, it's pretty eye-opening. Overall they have a much healthier populous in society. If you're lucky in the US and doing well then it's great, but for many people in the US, it's a really s*** deal, and if you've got a shit deal you're own your own and good luck.
UncleBuns
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One more thought. I love living in the USA and will stay here. It's an awesome place, but it is also terrible in some ways, just like everywhere else. I also don't think the Scandinavian way of running a country work here at all. Those countries are much smaller and a lot more culturally homogeneous. If you are reasonably intelligent and motivated, the USA is a kick-ass place to be.
Ghoul
Member
I was going to point that out before you posted it. What you see is the result of cultural homogeneity, not policy.
They have perhaps one generation of that left and it'll be gone. It already is in Germany.
UncleBuns
Well-known Member
Prior to PCT? Can you add a little more information? Did you mean 2 months after starting PCT? Or do you mean you are in TRT and want to get bloods 2 months before starting PCT?
Mads
Member
Yeah iv gotten my entire "PCT" stack secured. 6 months worth of HCG. Encl + nolva at the tail end of HCG
Mads
Member
Yeah. Its interesting how mass migration and a welfare state doesnt seem to coalign. What @UncleBuns said was spot on. But we dont have the same degree of freedom as Americans do. Also, our healthcare system has been really close to collapsing, especially during covid. No hate on immigrants, but the hospital waiting rooms are filled with them. Got a heart attack? Perhaps we can find you an appointment within 2-4 weeks. Need a surgical treatment? Yeah maybe 1-4 months.
An interesting fact is, danes have a right to get sent (paid) to a private hospital if a surgical queue is longer than 2 months yet NOONE WILL TELL YOU THIS (unless you had a lawyer). The system will literally prioritize not mentioning your rights in order to save money, even if the surgical procedure is urgent. Absolutely grotesque.
Ghoul
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I lived in the UK for a decade, so I think I've got a balanced perspective on this.
Some Americans swoon over the idea of government run healthcare, without understanding the great limitations it imposes in the form of long waits, and lack of access to many procedures and drugs deemed cost ineffective.
I make the point that the UK, like other countries with socialized medicine, has a vast network of private hospitals, doctors, and insurance plans used as an incentive to attract and retain top employees and executives. Why would there be a demand for this expensive parallel system if socialized care were even close to being as good?
Meanwhile, those living under such systems are placated by being fed a steady diet of nonsense horror stories regarding lack of access to care in the US. As if there are those hobbling around unable to get their broken leg set for lack of insurance and financial ruin is common as a result of medical bills.
The fact is 93% of Americans have medical coverage, the remainder are largely young adults who choose not to purchase coverage for a variety of reasons, since if you're employed, you must have insurance or you and your employer pay a significant fine. But even that lack of coverage won't result in not having access to essential medical care.
Consider illegals aliens who give birth en masse in the US, at an average cost of $20,000. They don't have coverage, and certainly don't bring a sack of cash with them, yet they get taken care of because hospitals cannot refuse care by law, and the cost is built into the bills of those who do pay. The same applies to someone in the country illegally with a brain tumor requiring a million dollar operation. No one is denied life saving care.
As for "financial ruin", medical bills are essentially uncollectible at this point. and by law and policy, no longer affect a person's credit.
Yes it's far from a perfect system, standard of care ranges from poor to the best available, but mostly mediocre, and American health at a glance looks poorer by many metrics compared to some other countries, but that's attributable to the epidemic of unhealthy lifestyles more than the care available.
If you're actively involved in your own care, educate and act as an advocate for yourself rather than passively allowing doctors to dictate treatment, you can have world class care with few limitations.
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