2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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there was some type of cleaner my assistant sprayed on me once, i think it was 409, that was the first run, i use gloves now.

to make your capsules you can use any of the capsule machines out there, most are pretty cheap for home use.

the way i do it is first plan out what type of batch i want to make, i use a triple beam balance to first verify how much starch a capsule of any given size will hold since in the majority of my cutting agent.

thats just to get a ballpark of an idea. then after deciding what type of strength i want, ill sit down and crunch a few numbers on a piece of cardboard to get my ratios. you have to decide how much dnp to first weigh out to the ratio of starch. once you have you plans then mix your batch and fill your caps.

after i fill my caps i also pick a few random caps the machine made and weigh an empty gel cap then weigh a cap that i just made. subtract the weight of the empty gel cap from the weight of the one you made to know how much of the batch is in the cap. using your ratios that you drew up you can verify how much DNP is in each batch of capsules made.

If you plan to make your capsules stronger, and i only state this because it was an error once, if you add more DNP to any extra batch of powder that youve already cut, keep those ratio numbers because depending on how little powder you had left over, your new batch will be much stronger. i keep different batches in separate jars for future use.

Id draw up a table of sample batches, i only use crystal though so theres a 25% reduction of total weight for the dnp strength. however it seems my assistant moved my chart off my desk and i dont seem to be able to locate it at the moment.

If you plan to make very large batches id recommend using a tumbler with some stainless shot for the mix to break up any clumps of DNP. DO NOT USE ALUMINUM!

im not sure what it is but it seems that DNP has a reaction with aluminum which creates a dark brown scale.
 
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Is that the right DNP? There are a lot or similar chemicals I do not want in my body. I am pretty sure it is, but the molecule is a little idfferent to teh one on pubmed and wikipedia.
 
I could use some advice. I've done a lot of reading on this and other boards about DNP and started what I thought would be a 10 day cycle 5 days ago. I keep reading about the risks of people getting cooked from DNP if they overuse it. My skin has felt regularly very hot since I started but my body temperature is actually dropping.

Can someone explain this? It's gone from 98.6 to 95.6 in 5 days. I feel fine, but this makes me nervous. Should I stop until I return to a more normal temperature. Thoughts?

Here is my daily log so far...

DATE Weight Bodyfat % Bodyfat Lbs Calories Workout Supplements
12-25 DNP 200mg

12-26 205.4 25.9% 53.2 lbs 1580 Yes DNP 200mg
20 cardio Multivitamin
Some moderate night sweats, on and off sleep in early morning

12-27 202.1 25.1% 50.7 lbs 2005 Yes DNP 200mg
40 cardio Multivitamin
Feeling hot, but temperature at midday: 98.6

12-28 200.1 24.6% 49.2 2175 Yes DNP 200mg
40 cardio Multivitamin
Few sides, occasional warmth and mild sweating, poor sleep, temperature at midday: 98.0

12-29 200.0 24.5% 49.1 1950 Yes DNP 400mg
20 cardio Multivitamin
1 hour nap at 5pm, temperature at 8pm: 97.1
Temperature at 11:35pm: 96.7

12-30 199.4 24.3% 48.6
Poor sleep, temperature at 7:00am: 95.6
 
Ate you straining during cardio ? I can't do cardio vary well at all while on DNP but only for a moment. depending on a cycle you'll have very little energy, reguardless of motivation.

As far as your temp how are you measuring? Dropping temp isn't the norm on DNP however if you are hydrating properly, not eating many carbs and not in a hot area, your body temp won't be so high. Also your body mass compared to the dose your taking may be a light dose.

See your results at the end of your cycle before bumping dose. Since youve got the yello hands, I'll guess that u made your stuff. What where your measurements and what size capsule did you use, how did you fill them and how accurate is your scale?
 
I am keeping my cardio very light. Not strenuous at all. I find that I tend to be short of breath at various periods throughout the day (climbing stairs, doing cardio) but it's manageable. Nothing that makes me feel like I can't keep doing what I'm doing. However, I would never be breathing this hard with such light cardio otherwise.

I am using a regular digital thermometer to take my temperature orally. I retook my temp about an hour ago. It's up to 96.8 from a low of 95.6 when I first woke up.

I got the DNP online. It's clearly legit, given the sides but, of course, I can't be 100% sure of the accuracy of the dosing.

Based on some other things I've read, I'm now guessing the temperature drop is due to reactions by my thyroid.

Diet is good. Mostly a combo of eggs, protein shakes, salads, lentils, fruit & protein smoothies, oatmeal, chickpeas, spinach, chicken, and orange juice. Coffee and some diet soda. Plus about a gallon of water a day. I'm trying to be very methodical about this and let this DNP cycle be the kick start for a continued weight loss program after I'm done. (I've set a goal of 12% body fat by Memorial Day.)

Depending on what my temperature is tonight, I may skip today's dosage and resume tomorrow at 200mg. (Yesterday was the first day I bumped it up to 400mg) I get the feeling I'm highly sensitive to this stuff given that I'm dropping almost a lb a day and having these strange changes in body temperature.

Regardless, I'm only running this for 10 days this time. Possibly 7 depending on how things go the next 72 hours.

Still, I have to say that the results are pretty incredible.
 
Idk how your batches where made, these don't happen to be bi colored brown capsules do they ? There's only so many sources of caps.

Hope you have a good batch anyhow. Be safe and thank you for being responsible with DNP
 
No, they are solid yellow.

I think I'll stick to 200mg for the remaining 5 days unless temperature seems to continue to fall. Temperature is at 96.5 now.

I was also reading a different thread talking about saturation points and the half life of DNP. Wondering if 400mg or 600 mg is actually more effective than 200 mg or just leads to more sides. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
From personal use, I get great results with doses from 400-600 mg a day and eating like there's no tomorrow. Eating more then usual while in DNP for me
speeds progress.

Seems DNP works different with people. iv done several cycles to maintain my shape.

People advise on and on not to rely on DNP to keep in shape through out the year, but I do it. Smokings bad too right? I'll smoke now and then as well. I also drink and have sex on the first date.
 
From personal use, I get great results with doses from 400-600 mg a day and eating like there's no tomorrow. Eating more then usual while in DNP for me
speeds progress.

Seems DNP works different with people. iv done several cycles to maintain my shape.

People advise on and on not to rely on DNP to keep in shape through out the year, but I do it. Smokings bad too right? I'll smoke now and then as well. I also drink and have sex on the first date.

i found this to be true for me as well. i get great results from eating whatever i want on 400-600mg/day as long as i continually exercise (to the best of my ability while on dnp).

though i did get my best results ever on a low dose long run cycle with a Keto type diet, i held the least amount of water too (relative to the eating whatever cycle)
 
Not sure if this has been asked here, but ill still shoot:
Would this be a good idea to include one day a week of PSMF with caloric deficit enhanced by 300-400mg of DNP while you are on a bulking phase, assisted by AAS?
the idea of course is to stave off fat gains, while still building muscle. I am thinking of trying to fast with DNP on Sundays, whereas i train 4 days a week, friday being the last training day.
 
Not sure if this has been asked here, but ill still shoot:
Would this be a good idea to include one day a week of PSMF with caloric deficit enhanced by 300-400mg of DNP while you are on a bulking phase, assisted by AAS?
the idea of course is to stave off fat gains, while still building muscle. I am thinking of trying to fast with DNP on Sundays, whereas i train 4 days a week, friday being the last training day.

keep in mind DNP takes about 36-48 hours to build up in your system, so you couldnt take it on the day of fasting and expect it to be active. The idea of building muscle on DNP isnt discussed too much (though there are threads on here), imo you may want to try this fast idea with Clenbuterol.

I suppose you could try taking DNP a couple days before your fast, so it'll be active on your fast, but it will also be active for some time after your fast, which in turn could put a damper on your workout
 
I thought that the half life of dnp was about 36 hours. Ive done a few cycles of it and whenever i take a pill, i feel the heat in about 2-3 hours. Where did you get that notion? Very interested in getting some more info.
 
Taking the DNP to keep off the fat works well, worked for me on my last cycle to help keep off some of the stomach pudge that was developing, however my work outs where much shorter. Really effected endurance with weight training.
 
Fierro, what did ur regimen look like?
I plan on eating well above maintenance (700-1000 cals) during 6 days of the week, and 1 day PSMF, probably eating just about 200-250 grams of protein only.
 
I was just taking the DNP on the weekends since the gyms closer to work, start taking it on friday and stopped sunday night, stopped sweating around Monday night.

Yes the work outs sucked but I think I could have had better gains not spending my rest days trying to burn fat.
 
Re: Few questions...

First I'd like to thank all of you for this wonderful thread, particularly of course to Conciliator for his unprecedented expertise on all things regarding the yellow powder.

I'd just like to ask some (or rather lot) questions:

1) IMHO to me seems Pyruvate (regarding fat loss) like just another questionable supplement; are you guys really sure it's doing any good preventing a cataract?

2) Some recommend taking anti-allergens (I'm not from US, so I don't really know Benadryl, for me it would be specifically cetirizini-dihydrochloridum) preventively before any problems come up but some discourage it. To me it seems like pretty neat idea not to actually wait for the rash to show up; what is the actual reason against?

3) What I couldn't make from anything I read is - hypothetically, are the (DNP induced) cataracts permanent or not? (In today's medicine, not 30's)

4) Do I understand right that under DNP you can take Clen for however long you want without getting used to it? Like a month or so?

5) What about ehm *cough cough* little blue pill? Sex is probably like cardio (i.e. be careful) but is Viagra an absolute no go?

6) Finally OT one for the Great one (Conciliator) himself: What's your personal (professional) opinion on Yohimbine regarding fat loss? Provided I watch out for my pulse and pressure. If yes, rather on DNP cycle or off (between)? Btw. I'm talking about commercially available 1200 mg per tab (2% Yohimbine).
6b) Same question for Arginine (1000 mg per tab)...

Many thanks for any opinion, keep up the good work (thread) guys...

good q's....are the cataracts permanant? i read you can have a quick surgery to remove them.research indicated to me a women with catarACTS had them surgically removed and after wanted to go back on dnp...shed been using it for over a year constant then developed. them for those who are concerned (when it was commericaly available)

also some people are prone to cataracts already...i think in these people dnp could speed up the process but have read about people with '20-20' vision who developed cataracts after dnp...i would think surgical removal of the cataracts would restore the '20-20' vision.


also the amount of people who act stupid is unbelievable.

theirs a TON of info regarding dosages/facts/info at the beginning and it seems people dont actually seem to read+take in info.....maybe they skip to the last page and post som3thing like

'is 400mg a day cycle ok for me?' ......doses have been advised.information is their...if you dont have the common sense to be able to do abit of math and take the risks/rewards and info/facts with a pinch of salt i wouldnt even bother taking anything at all.

their is no such thing as a sure thing..even foods effect each person slightly differently...christ even a nut allergy can kill some people.

point being you should know yourself, know what your taking from basic understandings from a few different sources...and then if you decide to 'experiment' take it from the bottom up slowly

if questions are related to dnp research and understanding on a more advanced level..it is understandable...but for gods sake the basics are covered.

this is by far the best thread ive read on dnp....im ready to take 600mg a day from the first day and first time ever! (joke!!! lol)

hope my post dont offend anyone....and conciliator.....great info thanks.(and everybody else)
 
This was actually a response to a post a ways back about DNP causing DNA replication issues in sperm. Someone thought once a sperm was contaminated that every sperm after would be. Thank God that's not the case. Think of all the babies created from a night of drinking and rec drug use. We would have a society of mutants.
 
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