2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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Am I the only person that thinks this is a bad idea???? DNP is not for remedial weight loss seriously. No one is going to ask stats height, weight, body fat, goals, diet, experience and training ????
I don't intend on taking dnp anytime soon, just considering if I ever need to cut for a comp, my girl cant get rid of stomach fat, but I doubt she could handle it. I have another friend who is taking ephedrine though and who is too fat to take steroids so maybe dnp could finally help him get rid of the pudge.
 
If you're some kind of f****** idiot and don't follow instructions don't do your research you will probably f*** yourself up .I was a skeptic in the beginning but this s*** work if you f****** do it right. not promoting it by any means if it's not one thing thT going to f****** kill you it's another. Another key thing is to have a good supplier that will dose the pills correctly so by some chance you don't take more than you should.
 
If you're some kind of f****** idiot and don't follow instructions don't do your research you will probably f*** yourself up .I was a skeptic in the beginning but this s*** work if you f****** do it right. not promoting it by any means if it's not one thing thT going to f****** kill you it's another. Another key thing is to have a good supplier that will dose the pills correctly so by some chance you don't take more than you should.
So by dosing and supply, buying powder from Alibaba is a bad idea?
 
I don't intend on taking dnp anytime soon, just considering if I ever need to cut for a comp, my girl cant get rid of stomach fat, but I doubt she could handle it. I have another friend who is taking ephedrine though and who is too fat to take steroids so maybe dnp could finally help him get rid of the pudge.


If there is a medical condition stopping someone from losing fat seek medical attention for that condition. DNP is very harsh there is zero reason to use this product unless you are well informed and have a need for this type of compound. If your friend is having trouble losing weight try a keto diet no need to take DNP for that. Everyone is so quick to run and look for a wonder pill to fix it all instead of putting in the work. Now inherently there will be some people with extenuating circumstances but for the moral majority they just want the easy way out and don't want to put in the work. Before looking to harsh compounds and dangerous chemicals get your diet and training in check. Also if you are going to ask for advice please provide stats. For all we know you could be a ranked competitor or some average Joe it makes a difference.
 
Fixed it for you.

If there is a medical condition stopping someone from working out seek medical attention for that condition. AAS is very harsh there is zero reason to use this product unless you are well informed and have a need for this type of compound. If your friend is having trouble gaining muscle try a high protein diet no need to take AAS for that. Everyone is so quick to run and look for a wonder pill to fix it all instead of putting in the work. Now inherently there will be some people with extenuating circumstances but for the moral majority they just want the easy way out and don't want to put in the work. Before looking to harsh compounds and dangerous chemicals get your diet and training in check. Also if you are going to ask for advice please provide stats. For all we know you could be a ranked competitor or some average Joe it makes a difference.
 
@Smeegle Im really trying to picture in my head what you look like. Thanks for making a difference

A shadow of my former self but trying to make a comeback. Currently leaning out coming down, I was at 237 lbs few months ago now I'm down to 204 lbs bodt fat im not sure still above single digits but a lot better than it was when I started. I'm 5'9" goal is 190 lbs show ready by november. I'll most likely run a short dnp run before it gets any hotter. Then continue training until later this year when I'll switch over to show prep. I'm not sure if I will post pics or not I have identifying marks on me and I'm looking to compete this year. I don't want to get into a position where I could get dq or banned. I'll have to look into the legalities of it all at some point.
 
Fixed it for you.

Honestly I am far less opposed to the use of AAS in moderation as I am to compounds like DNP. But with everything still better to train until you know your body have your diet in check and sleep patterns on point before using AAS or any componds, as well as doing enough reading to make your head hurt then reading some more. No substitute for knowledge.
 
If there is a medical condition stopping someone from losing fat seek medical attention for that condition. DNP is very harsh there is zero reason to use this product unless you are well informed and have a need for this type of compound. If your friend is having trouble losing weight try a keto diet no need to take DNP for that. Everyone is so quick to run and look for a wonder pill to fix it all instead of putting in the work. Now inherently there will be some people with extenuating circumstances but for the moral majority they just want the easy way out and don't want to put in the work. Before looking to harsh compounds and dangerous chemicals get your diet and training in check. Also if you are going to ask for advice please provide stats. For all we know you could be a ranked competitor or some average Joe it makes a difference.

I agree, My girl already read up on DNP and said fuck no she doesn't want to die, she is the brains of this relationship. My friend is a lazy smuck that I've been trying to motivate to turn his life around, he is already taking ephedrine, he's around 5'9 and around 200 not healthy. I'm 6'2" 225lbs under 15%bf hard to tell where I'm at, Do have abs. I won't consider myself ready to compete until I pack on 20-30lbs of meat, at which point I will need to lean out after doing so. I don't take uppers for fat loss don't like feeling jitterey, up till now all my fat loss has come from running, swimming, and working in roofing. Diet wise I have to eat lots of carbs or I feel like shit and I eat loads protein to maintain gains otherwise they will disappear. can't get good var, not ready for tren, and my joints are fucked so winny is out question. I feel Dnp would be a good route to go later on to get shredded, I already have a fast metabolism, I feel I could look 5% if I used it.
 
I agree, My girl already read up on DNP and said fuck no she doesn't want to die, she is the brains of this relationship. My friend is a lazy smuck that I've been trying to motivate to turn his life around, he is already taking ephedrine, he's around 5'9 and around 200 not healthy. I'm 6'2" 225lbs under 15%bf hard to tell where I'm at, Do have abs. I won't consider myself ready to compete until I pack on 20-30lbs of meat, at which point I will need to lean out after doing so. I don't take uppers for fat loss don't like feeling jitterey, up till now all my fat loss has come from running, swimming, and working in roofing. Diet wise I have to eat lots of carbs or I feel like shit and I eat loads protein to maintain gains otherwise they will disappear. can't get good var, not ready for tren, and my joints are fucked so winny is out question. I feel Dnp would be a good route to go later on to get shredded, I already have a fast metabolism, I feel I could look 5% if I used it.


Just watch portion control and up cardio a bit, what is your calorie count and how many meals a day? If you're sitting at 15% that's not terrible for off season my coach recommends single digit body fat which is what I'm working on. I ballooned up during an injury and I'm paying for it now. Running some var is not a bad idea also if you're having joint issues I would recommend throwing in some deca it will help with that and a little test for growth. A low to moderate dose should be more than enough to get your joints feeling g2g again. Also highly recommend no carbs in last meal pre bedtime that will help out too. When you get ready to start bulking again there is no replacement for tren the gains from that compound are amazing even on lower doses. You could run 200mg week of tren E with some test E and see some nice results and you would't have to pin more than 2x a week. Just my two cents though. Do some reading and do what you're comfortable with. As far as your buddy goes people will only make a change when they are ready to. When he's ready he will work on himself.
 
Just watch portion control and up cardio a bit, what is your calorie count and how many meals a day? If you're sitting at 15% that's not terrible for off season my coach recommends single digit body fat which is what I'm working on. I ballooned up during an injury and I'm paying for it now. Running some var is not a bad idea also if you're having joint issues I would recommend throwing in some deca it will help with that and a little test for growth. A low to moderate dose should be more than enough to get your joints feeling g2g again. Also highly recommend no carbs in last meal pre bedtime that will help out too. When you get ready to start bulking again there is no replacement for tren the gains from that compound are amazing even on lower doses. You could run 200mg week of tren E with some test E and see some nice results and you would't have to pin more than 2x a week. Just my two cents though. Do some reading and do what you're comfortable with. As far as your buddy goes people will only make a change when they are ready to. When he's ready he will work on himself.

Thanks for the advice, Calorie wise on cycle I eat over 4000 sometimes 6000, off I'm only eating 2000 but a lot of it is protein, shakes, Tuna, chicken, and eggs diet. I would like to run var but my guy sells it for so cheap that it has to be underdosed. I think I might try some deca I was already considering it for my next cycle anyways. Tren I don't think I'm ready for just yet. My buddy needs to get his life together though, I was in a rut like him before and I feel if he can get serious and start doing some lifting, he can turn his life around.
 
Thanks for the advice, Calorie wise on cycle I eat over 4000 sometimes 6000, off I'm only eating 2000 but a lot of it is protein, shakes, Tuna, chicken, and eggs diet. I would like to run var but my guy sells it for so cheap that it has to be underdosed. I think I might try some deca I was already considering it for my next cycle anyways. Tren I don't think I'm ready for just yet. My buddy needs to get his life together though, I was in a rut like him before and I feel if he can get serious and start doing some lifting, he can turn his life around.


How many shakes a day? And are they protein shakes or mass gainers? Solid food is going to be a better idea I know It's hard with a lot of people's schedules, but it's a better alternative to processed proteins. In the last 8 months I dropped protein shakes all together I've opted for whole food instead. I read an article that discussed how proteins were measured and the tricks the supplement industry uses to fool the test and short protein or using inferior protein sources and calling it high grade. I actually feel better since I switched up but like I said I understand not everyone can make time for meals. Are you eating carbs in your last meal prior to sleep?
 
How many shakes a day? And are they protein shakes or mass gainers? Solid food is going to be a better idea I know It's hard with a lot of people's schedules, but it's a better alternative to processed proteins. In the last 8 months I dropped protein shakes all together I've opted for whole food instead. I read an article that discussed how proteins were measured and the tricks the supplement industry uses to fool the test and short protein or using inferior protein sources and calling it high grade. I actually feel better since I switched up but like I said I understand not everyone can make time for meals. Are you eating carbs in your last meal prior to sleep?
I get my daily protein out of solid foods, I always try to eat a meal or some sort of food every 3 hours, I just supplement with a protein shakes before and after my workout so My body has it to feed my muscles. That is Interesting I know the industry is a scam is but I had no idea they did that, I thought protein was the only legit thing you can buy. Carbs I do eat carbs before bed and that's something I need to stop doing.
 
I get my daily protein out of solid foods, I always try to eat a meal or some sort of food every 3 hours, I just supplement with a protein shakes before and after my workout so My body has it to feed my muscles. That is Interesting I know the industry is a scam is but I had no idea they did that, I thought protein was the only legit thing you can buy. Carbs I do eat carbs before bed and that's something I need to stop doing.


Ok sounds like your diet is doing pretty good, try to cut carbs before bed you'll see a change quickly. Yeah I was shocked about the supp industry messing with protein I thought it was something that couldn't be tampered with also. It's not every company but how can you know who is doing it and not doing it? I just avoid it all together I keep two scoops of protein and 1 cup of blended oatmeal in a container for emergencies but other than that I eat all my protein even post and pre workout meals. Keep at it you'll get where you want to be its a process.
 
Ok sounds like your diet is doing pretty good, try to cut carbs before bed you'll see a change quickly. Yeah I was shocked about the supp industry messing with protein I thought it was something that couldn't be tampered with also. It's not every company but how can you know who is doing it and not doing it? I just avoid it all together I keep two scoops of protein and 1 cup of blended oatmeal in a container for emergencies but other than that I eat all my protein even post and pre workout meals. Keep at it you'll get where you want to be its a process.

Thanks bud, I definetly will cut the carbs at night, and yeah it is ridiculous how unregulated the supp industry is, reason why I swapped all my beta-alinine, test boosters, and preworkout for gear. I have to have that magic pill life, Trained my ass off in highschool sports and didn't really get anywhere, training can only get you so far. I do eat a little bit pre workout but never to much or it will end up coming out my mouth and nose. Post workout I have a ritual of drinking a shake taking a shower and then eating 4eggs and a bagel with a few glasses of milk.
 
Any one see a difference in ldl after a run with dnp? I would think lowering body fat which would also lower body weight/bmi would help to lower ldl and possibly even raise hdl.

Anyone have before and after labs?
 
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